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Late County Finals - Split Season

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Ahh will you stop.
New system voted in by about 90 -10 last February."
Ok does that mean it's the right system.

I think it should be a split season but there are definitely problems with having the Provincials come directly after club championship.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3830 - 30/10/2022 17:11:30    2445974

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Ok does that mean it's the right system.

I think it should be a split season but there are definitely problems with having the Provincials come directly after club championship."
Whats the problem with having it directly (a week or two) after county final? I would be more concerned with the wexford split season, the senior champs were waiting 8 weeks after winning county final.

PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 77 - 30/10/2022 18:08:23    2445981

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Replying To PatrickTopping:  "Whats the problem with having it directly (a week or two) after county final? I would be more concerned with the wexford split season, the senior champs were waiting 8 weeks after winning county final."
Our senior hurling champions, Ferns St. Aidans, actually have a 13-week gap this year between the county final (played on August 14th) and their first match in the Leinster Championship (scheduled for November 13th).

Their opponents, St. Mullins (Carlow), have a 14-week gap because the Carlow Hurling Final was played on August 7th.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1280 - 30/10/2022 19:21:09    2445992

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Our senior hurling champions, Ferns St. Aidans, actually have a 13-week gap this year between the county final (played on August 14th) and their first match in the Leinster Championship (scheduled for November 13th).

Their opponents, St. Mullins (Carlow), have a 14-week gap because the Carlow Hurling Final was played on August 7th."
Why does the Leinster club football championship start so early Pikeman? Or is it the case that Ferns got a bye in the hurling?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6651 - 31/10/2022 07:23:06    2446016

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why does the Leinster club football championship start so early Pikeman? Or is it the case that Ferns got a bye in the hurling?"
11 teams in football and 8 in hurling so there is an extra rounds of games, I'm guessing TV schedule could impact dates too.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 427 - 31/10/2022 14:26:22    2446044

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "11 teams in football and 8 in hurling so there is an extra rounds of games, I'm guessing TV schedule could impact dates too."
Yeah, that's basically it. Dates for Leinster club football championships this year:
October 22/23 - First round
November 5/6 - quarter-finals
November 19/20 - semi-finals
December 3/4 - finals

Dates for the hurling championships:
October 29/30 - first round in intermediate (just one match) and junior (five matches)
November 12/13 - quarter-finals (including Ferns, Oulart-The Ballagh, and Horeswood)
November 26/27 - semi-finals
December 4 - senior final
December 10 - Intermediate and junior finals

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1280 - 01/11/2022 10:57:02    2446093

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I agree with the split season but not the implementation of fitting it into a calendar year. Instead of February to July, the intercounty season could be March to August. Club season then from September to January/February.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6922 - 12/11/2022 10:13:56    2447273

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I agree with the split season but not the implementation of fitting it into a calendar year. Instead of February to July, the intercounty season could be March to August. Club season then from September to January/February."
So.....95% or more of all players only getting to play between September and January/February?

Instead of 100% of all players getting to play hurling or football at some level (i.e. club or county) during the best months of the year?

An interesting view......

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1280 - 12/11/2022 11:32:29    2447281

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "So.....95% or more of all players only getting to play between September and January/February?

Instead of 100% of all players getting to play hurling or football at some level (i.e. club or county) during the best months of the year?

An interesting view......"
It's not unusual for sports in this country to run from autumn through winter and on to spring.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6922 - 12/11/2022 12:57:31    2447287

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I agree with the split season but not the implementation of fitting it into a calendar year. Instead of February to July, the intercounty season could be March to August. Club season then from September to January/February."
When do you have an off season then. players in inter county squads and strong clubs never get a break then and for the players in that situation and still in 3rd level its worse. plenty of them. why not have period when no games played. a proper off season?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2934 - 13/11/2022 10:55:58    2447353

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Replying To KillingFields:  "When do you have an off season then. players in inter county squads and strong clubs never get a break then and for the players in that situation and still in 3rd level its worse. plenty of them. why not have period when no games played. a proper off season?"
If they were able to get the All-Ireland club finals played before Christmas in the current push for a calendar year, there would be over a 4 week gap to the start of the leagues. I think that is the intention.
Within that, there might be some pre league tournaments but one would imagine players who have played club games right up to Christmas would be given a few weeks off before returning to full intercounty training.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6922 - 13/11/2022 12:11:15    2447358

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Replying To KillingFields:  "When do you have an off season then. players in inter county squads and strong clubs never get a break then and for the players in that situation and still in 3rd level its worse. plenty of them. why not have period when no games played. a proper off season?"
It's impossible to get a proper off season because there are too many games to be played.

You take the inter-county game.

A team could play up to 19 fixtures here and will need break ways.

There's 12 club weekends that every county needs to be accommodated for.

There's then 11 Provincial and All Ireland club weekends.

Then there's the college season.

So you are talking 42 weekends plus colleges, plus breaks during the season. There's 0 room for a proper off-season.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3830 - 14/11/2022 14:33:00    2447530

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The Split Season is going to lead to player burnout in the current format with no proper off season in place. I think the GAA are going to have look at collective training bans to try and prevent this. If I recall some years ago they brought in a rule that intercounty teams could not have collective training in November and December. With the club championships not starting until late July a similar ban could be introduced for clubs for Jan\Feb with collective training starting on Mar 1st. An exception would be there for clubs that have qualified for All Ireland Series. It would also reduce the financial burden on clubs having to pay clubs coaches for an extra 2 months.

The third level colleges player would still be going all year but I think this has always being the case and this only impacts a small percentage of the overall playing population for the years the player is in college.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 48 - 14/11/2022 15:42:37    2447545

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Replying To Whammo86:  "It's impossible to get a proper off season because there are too many games to be played.

You take the inter-county game.

A team could play up to 19 fixtures here and will need break ways.

There's 12 club weekends that every county needs to be accommodated for.

There's then 11 Provincial and All Ireland club weekends.

Then there's the college season.

So you are talking 42 weekends plus colleges, plus breaks during the season. There's 0 room for a proper off-season."
There can if you change how you structure everything. Also look at wxpectation of some players to play everything they are eligible for. Keeping under 21 club championships until now is madness. In tipp the u21 champio ship didn't start until his month. No reason with proper management it couldn't have been played far earlier in the year in conditions for more suited to allow a decent game of hurling take place.

Far too many players are involved with 6/7 teams between school or college, club and anything else. Reduce that or change that and you can get more time for an off season which benefits every one long term

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2934 - 14/11/2022 15:51:17    2447549

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I think the split season will work but it needs a few small tweaks..inter county season to extend by 2 weeks..for me I can't see the reason for senior club championships not starting until September..I know this is a superstar I'm talking about but David Clifford played his first match of the year v limerick on ffirst week in January..he will play on 27th of November in a munster semi with his club,when will he get his break??the limerick 21 hurling is on at the the moment,players playing also with schools and colleges..also you have under 17s involved at 21 which I thought wasn't allowed but by all accounts nothing wrong,so this thing of making minor under 17 doesn't add up at all for me..go back to 18 and 21 or even under 20,get rid of under 19 competitions,most clubs and players don't want it..I saw on another topic where someone mentioned the possibility of no club training in January or February,sounds decent,specially when championship is probably 5/6 months away..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1818 - 14/11/2022 19:29:36    2447589

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Replying To Whammo86:  "It's impossible to get a proper off season because there are too many games to be played.

You take the inter-county game.

A team could play up to 19 fixtures here and will need break ways.

There's 12 club weekends that every county needs to be accommodated for.

There's then 11 Provincial and All Ireland club weekends.

Then there's the college season.

So you are talking 42 weekends plus colleges, plus breaks during the season. There's 0 room for a proper off-season."
Good God! You'd think they were Roman galley slaves the way some people go on.

The hassle of being good enough to play top level sport for a few years. Such a trial :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 872 - 14/11/2022 19:52:06    2447592

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Good God! You'd think they were Roman galley slaves the way some people go on.

The hassle of being good enough to play top level sport for a few years. Such a trial :-)"
Club players (over 20 y.o) with D1 Clubs in Roscommon were only guaranteed 10 competitive games all year
5 League games and a play off
3 Championship Group games and a knockout or relegation game.

Plenty of time for them to play soccer with their local RDSL clubs who'll be hoping such lack of games continues.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 555 - 15/11/2022 11:21:22    2447622

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Replying To Whammo86:  "It's impossible to get a proper off season because there are too many games to be played.

You take the inter-county game.

A team could play up to 19 fixtures here and will need break ways.

There's 12 club weekends that every county needs to be accommodated for.

There's then 11 Provincial and All Ireland club weekends.

Then there's the college season.

So you are talking 42 weekends plus colleges, plus breaks during the season. There's 0 room for a proper off-season."
It is possible if you stop some players playing for so many teams. Thats inter county, club senior, colleges and potentially more teams. reduce how many teams and then reduce training loads on players then you can create a proper off season

who wants to be playing football in mid/late december early anuary anyway?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2934 - 15/11/2022 17:31:24    2447689

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Good God! You'd think they were Roman galley slaves the way some people go on.

The hassle of being good enough to play top level sport for a few years. Such a trial :-)"
I was just pointing out that there's no time for breaks.

I've no issue with the above. It's just a fact that there's no free weekends really left.

When I played I loved matches. Think we've gone the right way in getting more inter-county games in a short window.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3830 - 16/11/2022 13:49:25    2447772

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Sales of county jerseys down 16% this year. More confirmation that split season is pushing our games to the margins.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 872 - 16/11/2022 17:22:45    2447812

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