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We're Ready For An Inter County Transfer System.

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Replying To jobber:  "Maybe your views are common in your county with a quarter of a million people.Maybe that lack of passion for place might have something to do with the failure of your county to achieve what it should."
I can't comment for that quarter of a million that you're talking about I'm afraid, I'm pretty sure they all don't play GAA either. As for success, we are Christy Ring Champions and well deserving too.
I've zero interest in football, and I wouldn't watch Kildare footballers if they were playing in the back garden.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1726 - 03/08/2022 19:05:48    2436091

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Replying To Canuck:  "Ya Bon there is always that, the effort put in by some. I grew up in a club where the stars were the one's that turned up for training the last session before the game. However the rest of us stuck with the club out of love for our parish and home. There are thousands of people like that in the past all over Ireland and guess what there will be thousands of them in the future also. Dan has very few medals with his club. I think only one senior medal and I guarantee he has more pride in that than any Munster medal. I can also tell you many many times in my life I have seen the medal hunters add nothing to where they went either. The most successful county of all Kilkenny has parish rule and it seems to serve them well."
Yeah I wouldn't doubt for a second how much a county medal means to the man as you said.
I played all the way up from juvenile to senior and we never won anything. Constantly getting to finals and losing or getting hammered on a regular. It grates on you after a while when so many of your team mates couldn't care less and makes you wonder why you bother. Especially when you look at other guys from a neighbouring club that would be as dedicated as you are and have full sets of medals from juvenile upwards. I can recall very few good days from my playing days with the club.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1726 - 03/08/2022 19:15:21    2436092

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Replying To Galway9801:  "The world and its mother are queuing up to congratulate Walsh on his transfer, so yes, pride of place does seem to have gone, frankly."
They are not queuing up to congratulate him they are only trying to see it from his side as well.Bit of a difference.
Also with regards to intercounty transfers it is similar to soccer and if you play senior for your country then that is where you stay.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 04/08/2022 09:46:25    2436126

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Tell me how I've "changed my words". I've been quite consistent here.
And while you're at it, explain to me why club transfers are OK but county ones aren't.
No one else has been able to."
A lot of people on here still struggling to grasp the tone of your original post obviously

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 117 - 04/08/2022 10:34:38    2436137

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Tell me how I've "changed my words". I've been quite consistent here.
And while you're at it, explain to me why club transfers are OK but county ones aren't.
No one else has been able to."
Noone is saying club transfers are OK in general. Only some people are saying club transfers to another county where you won't be playing against your own club aren't as bad. Tbh even that is not really true to the ethos of the GAA.
Many lads have transferred between clubs and counties over the years but that doesn't mean it's something that should be encouraged.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 04/08/2022 11:56:30    2436169

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Replying To UtahBlaine:  "A lot of people on here still struggling to grasp the tone of your original post obviously"
Not much to grasp really.
If people are going to support his decision to change club based on the importance of personal choice, then if he also makes a personal choice to change county the same people should support him.
Otherwise they're contradicting themselves.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1330 - 04/08/2022 12:05:10    2436176

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Replying To Viking66:  "Noone is saying club transfers are OK in general. Only some people are saying club transfers to another county where you won't be playing against your own club aren't as bad. Tbh even that is not really true to the ethos of the GAA.
Many lads have transferred between clubs and counties over the years but that doesn't mean it's something that should be encouraged."
I know that ideally people will remain with their local clubs as long as they're playing, but even the staunchest traditionalist will accept that sometimes this isn't possible.
My point is that the arguments being put forward here and on Facebook etc, about how it's up to him what he does, its his choice, etc could just as easily apply to an intercounty transfer.
But of he did move counties the same people would then start moaning about how he has a duty to his county, it shouldn't be allowed etc,, totally contradicting themselves.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1330 - 04/08/2022 12:29:25    2436179

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Not much to grasp really.
If people are going to support his decision to change club based on the importance of personal choice, then if he also makes a personal choice to change county the same people should support him.
Otherwise they're contradicting themselves."
Agreed

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 117 - 04/08/2022 12:31:10    2436180

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Not much to grasp really.
If people are going to support his decision to change club based on the importance of personal choice, then if he also makes a personal choice to change county the same people should support him.
Otherwise they're contradicting themselves."
Cant argue with your logic as much as we would like to. The problem with a debate like this is that Galway people outside of KC ( the Galway version) may have different viewpoints but regardless of what our views are on the club transfer none of us want him to leave the county set up and therefore will come up with any sort of logic ( however flawed this logic is) to try to present an argument as to why this couldn't happen. But as I say it is flawed logic and what you have said above is 100% correct.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 457 - 04/08/2022 12:31:34    2436181

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Playing for another county is a rare enough phenomenon right now, but during the 80s and into the early 90s there were a number of players who switched to the place they found themselves living (or were induced to come live in a different county and switch, in at least one case) and made an impact:

Shay Fahey and Larry Tompkins went to Cork from Kildare and Cork's All-Ireland's in 1989 and 90 wouldn't have been won without them (particularly Larry).

Sean Lowry switched to Mayo and in 1985 brought a lot of confidence to a group who were struggling to find their feet for a few years before that. They and he won Connacht in 1985 and were the first Mayo team in decades to put it up to the Dubs in Croke Park that year.

Declan Darcy went from Leitrim to Dublin having won a Connacht medal in 1994 (was Leitrim captain I think) with his free taking as well as general play making a vital contribution. He went on to play with Dubs (think he won a Leinster) and more recently was one of Jim Gavin's selectors.

Tomas Tierney of Galway (who was sent off in the dirty AI final of 1983) switched from Galway to Mayo. It was controversial enough at the time because he had "previous" with one or two of the Mayo players from his time playing for the Tribe. Can't recall if he won a Connacht with Mayo or not.

Vinny Murphy switched from playing football with the Dubs to playing hurling with The Kingdom in part to rehab his shot nerves after prolonged exposure to Meath's Mick Lyons (plutonium was better for your health!).

There were a few others no doubt...

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 04/08/2022 13:44:57    2436197

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I know that ideally people will remain with their local clubs as long as they're playing, but even the staunchest traditionalist will accept that sometimes this isn't possible.
My point is that the arguments being put forward here and on Facebook etc, about how it's up to him what he does, its his choice, etc could just as easily apply to an intercounty transfer.
But of he did move counties the same people would then start moaning about how he has a duty to his county, it shouldn't be allowed etc,, totally contradicting themselves."
I get what you are saying. So where do you think the line should be drawn yourself?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 04/08/2022 13:45:26    2436198

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Replying To Viking66:  "I get what you are saying. So where do you think the line should be drawn yourself?"
I don't really have a line tbh,,,I'm one of the few gaa men on earth who actually wouldn't be opposed to some sort of transfer system, I think every footballer and hurler should be able to aspire to winning an all Ireland and shouldn't be hindered by geography, and I think it would encourage kids in weaker counties to dedicate themselves to whatever code they play, ,, how it would work though I'm not sure, travel for training etc

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1330 - 04/08/2022 16:06:15    2436224

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With there seeming to be no limit to the level of population which Dublin in particular will be allowed to rise to, it seems inevitable that no matter how many development panels are put in place still only 15 players can take the pitch for the county in hurling and football. The wastage of potential talented players in that context could lead to some Dublin people themselves thinking about having multiple sides, or a system could be introduced allowing counties, the Dubs included, to take up to 5 players from outside the county into their panel with no more than 3 imports being allowed to feature in any match day 24. Some measures to prevent cherry picking would have to introduced - players who are called into their home primary senior panel should not be allowed to wander, including any who refuse the call. So just players who are surplus to home requirements. The players accepting an offer from another county would have to be locked in for something like 3 years, whether they make it there or not.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 04/08/2022 16:39:52    2436230

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I don't really have a line tbh,,,I'm one of the few gaa men on earth who actually wouldn't be opposed to some sort of transfer system, I think every footballer and hurler should be able to aspire to winning an all Ireland and shouldn't be hindered by geography, and I think it would encourage kids in weaker counties to dedicate themselves to whatever code they play, ,, how it would work though I'm not sure, travel for training etc"
But yet you laugh at everyone else who has stated a view that a transfer system is a bad idea... We already have a transfer system but the rules can be restrictive. A 'free for all' system would be completely unfair to weaker counties as stronger counties would just poach the players they want without any guarentee that players would move in the other direction.

What we really need is a draft/transfer system where stronger counties are allowed to put forward players for a draft each season. Perhaps say Division 1 teams (& maybe Division 2) and grouped on a region by region basis. I don't know what the exact solution is but IMO it has to be concentrated on bringing standards up not ensuring that a small number of counties get stronger.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 437 - 04/08/2022 21:11:10    2436265

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I don't really have a line tbh,,,I'm one of the few gaa men on earth who actually wouldn't be opposed to some sort of transfer system, I think every footballer and hurler should be able to aspire to winning an all Ireland and shouldn't be hindered by geography, and I think it would encourage kids in weaker counties to dedicate themselves to whatever code they play, ,, how it would work though I'm not sure, travel for training etc"
So *### the counties who are weaker counties at this point in time? They will then always be weak as their best players move on for brown paper envelopes?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5713 - 04/08/2022 21:18:05    2436267

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Replying To Square_B:  "But yet you laugh at everyone else who has stated a view that a transfer system is a bad idea... We already have a transfer system but the rules can be restrictive. A 'free for all' system would be completely unfair to weaker counties as stronger counties would just poach the players they want without any guarentee that players would move in the other direction.

What we really need is a draft/transfer system where stronger counties are allowed to put forward players for a draft each season. Perhaps say Division 1 teams (& maybe Division 2) and grouped on a region by region basis. I don't know what the exact solution is but IMO it has to be concentrated on bringing standards up not ensuring that a small number of counties get stronger."
Where have I laughed at anyone who says a transfer system is a bad idea?
I've laughed at those who say Walsh should have the right to choose which club he plays for because choice is all important but in the next breath say he shouldn't have a choice what county he represents.
Not the same thing.
I totally understand why people would be opposed to a transfer system even if I'm personally in favour of it.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1330 - 05/08/2022 12:38:03    2436316

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Where have I laughed at anyone who says a transfer system is a bad idea?
I've laughed at those who say Walsh should have the right to choose which club he plays for because choice is all important but in the next breath say he shouldn't have a choice what county he represents.
Not the same thing.
I totally understand why people would be opposed to a transfer system even if I'm personally in favour of it."
It's the same thing.... laughing at people because they're against players switching county allegiance / free for all inter county transfer system. There's over 2000 clubs in the country.... having a choice due to circumstance (work etc) is hardly a big deal. Being freely allowed to switch county is a complete different matter however it does happen. It's clear you didn't know much about the system already in place when you started this thread.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 437 - 05/08/2022 13:59:59    2436338

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Replying To Square_B:  "It's the same thing.... laughing at people because they're against players switching county allegiance / free for all inter county transfer system. There's over 2000 clubs in the country.... having a choice due to circumstance (work etc) is hardly a big deal. Being freely allowed to switch county is a complete different matter however it does happen. It's clear you didn't know much about the system already in place when you started this thread."
It's not the same thing.
You either support someone's right to make a choice or you don't.
If you believe that's its Walshes choice,,,, except when it comes to a, b, c, D,, then you don't.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1330 - 05/08/2022 15:17:50    2436347

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Replying To Square_B:  "It's the same thing.... laughing at people because they're against players switching county allegiance / free for all inter county transfer system. There's over 2000 clubs in the country.... having a choice due to circumstance (work etc) is hardly a big deal. Being freely allowed to switch county is a complete different matter however it does happen. It's clear you didn't know much about the system already in place when you started this thread."
It's not the same thing.
I'm laughing at the hypocrisy of it.
If you're in favour of a player switching club allegiance because you believe it's his choice and he's free to do what he wants, don't come crying when he decides to switch county,, because,, guess what,, its his choice and he's free to do what he wants,,,, right?
I get the feeling I'll probably have to explain this to you a few more times before this thread dries up.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1330 - 05/08/2022 19:13:27    2436371

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Replying To Viking66:  "So *### the counties who are weaker counties at this point in time? They will then always be weak as their best players move on for brown paper envelopes?"
Don't be so crude.
I think these counties who you think I don't give a damn about would see an increase in playing numbers over the course of a generation, many of whom would remain with their county.
I guarantee you that there would be more hurlers in Leitrim if they knew there was a realistic chance of winning the biggest games growing up, albeit in a different Jersey, but like I said, many will stay with their home county.
Take a visit to your local soccer club next time you get a chance avd tell them they'll never be allowed play for anyone except wexford youths. You won't be long seeing a drop off.
Also, a smart transfer strategy could see weaker counties improve.Being able to spot a talent before your competitors do is a great skill in modern sports mangement.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1330 - 05/08/2022 20:40:22    2436380

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