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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Tony Cascarino had a fictitious link ..... !!!!!"
To be fair he only found out his mother was adopted, and that he wasn't a blood relative of his Irish grandparent 10 years after obtaining his Irish passport and making his international debut.

I would certainly take it as the exception rather than the rule when it comes to foreign born players representing our national team.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3673 - 20/07/2022 17:26:48    2433224

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "That's not the way 'all' international sports work. FIFA don't have a residency rule. The FAI can't go to Brazil, Spain, Italy etc, find some talented uncapped player with no connection to Ireland and offer him nice money to come and live and play here for 5 years and then play for Ireland."
Fifa most certainly does have residency rules. You can qualify if you've lived 5 years in a country. Just like rugby.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 20/07/2022 18:21:59    2433239

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Tony Cascarino had a fictitious link ..... !!!!!"
I think when he started playing for Ireland he didn't know his Mam was adopted, though he would say that. He did great for us, often off the bench. Seems a sound bloke, hear him the odd time on Talksport.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6764 - 20/07/2022 19:43:20    2433249

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I think when he started playing for Ireland he didn't know his Mam was adopted, though he would say that. He did great for us, often off the bench. Seems a sound bloke, hear him the odd time on Talksport."
Yeah his autobiography is hilarious. Definitely would recommend a read if you can come across it. Some great old yarns in it.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7969 - 21/07/2022 09:50:13    2433268

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think you have summed it up well. In my own experience, nothing has come close to the hype and interest associated with the national football team at a World Cup. We've only been there three times of course, but on each occasion we did quite well. Who knows under different circumstances how better we might have done in 2002??? Ifs and buts..."
I always felt we overstated how good we were at that world cup.
We played 4 games and our only victory came against the worst team in the whole tournament.
Even had we gotten past Spain we would have played South Korea in the quarters and no way would we have been allowed beat them.
The corruption during their games was scandalous.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1263 - 21/07/2022 10:37:00    2433288

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Fifa most certainly does have residency rules. You can qualify if you've lived 5 years in a country. Just like rugby."
That rule has been changed in the last few years though, and now if a person moves country and becomes eligible for that country through residency rules then they also have to prove that they didn't move for footballing / professional career reasons.

If a wealthy country pays money to bring in foreign players with the aim of them becoming eligible in 5 years time then it's going to be very hard to prove that the player moved country for genuine reasons and therefor FIFA wouldn't deem them eligible even if they have citizenship.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3673 - 21/07/2022 10:37:16    2433289

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I always felt we overstated how good we were at that world cup.
We played 4 games and our only victory came against the worst team in the whole tournament.
Even had we gotten past Spain we would have played South Korea in the quarters and no way would we have been allowed beat them.
The corruption during their games was scandalous."
A draw with the eventual winners wasn't a bad result at all in the group stage.

Given the circumstances heading into it it was a pretty impressive performance overall in 02.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3673 - 21/07/2022 10:51:37    2433295

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Isn't it a great little country all the same when we can argue / debate? the greatest achievement by an Irish international team in sport? Long may it last and long live opinions.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2608 - 21/07/2022 11:02:36    2433302

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I always felt we overstated how good we were at that world cup.
We played 4 games and our only victory came against the worst team in the whole tournament.
Even had we gotten past Spain we would have played South Korea in the quarters and no way would we have been allowed beat them.
The corruption during their games was scandalous."
'no way would we have been allowed beat them'

An interesting concept. Reminds me of the 2011 rugby final, when France ran into that precise problem getting their victory 'processed' on NZ soil v NZ in the final, with a ref from SA.

Reminds me also of the comment 'Munster team at Munster venue with Munster referee, what did you expect'!!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2698 - 21/07/2022 11:06:40    2433304

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I always felt we overstated how good we were at that world cup.
We played 4 games and our only victory came against the worst team in the whole tournament.
Even had we gotten past Spain we would have played South Korea in the quarters and no way would we have been allowed beat them.
The corruption during their games was scandalous."
I can't agree with you there. OK so Saudi Arabia were **** granted. But a point against Germany was a brilliant result, as was the point against Cameroon for a couple of reasons.

- they were reigning African champions
- they had undoubted quality - MBoma, Eto'o, Lauren, Geremi
- our buildup to the game was severely disrupted

We were unlucky not to beat Spain with all their stars such as Raul, Morientes, Joaquin, Mendieta etc

I agree with you re: South Korea though. It was actually shocking how bad the officiating was in their favour.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7969 - 21/07/2022 11:48:08    2433321

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I can't agree with you there. OK so Saudi Arabia were **** granted. But a point against Germany was a brilliant result, as was the point against Cameroon for a couple of reasons.

- they were reigning African champions
- they had undoubted quality - MBoma, Eto'o, Lauren, Geremi
- our buildup to the game was severely disrupted

We were unlucky not to beat Spain with all their stars such as Raul, Morientes, Joaquin, Mendieta etc

I agree with you re: South Korea though. It was actually shocking how bad the officiating was in their favour."
Spain 2002 were like the Limerick hurlers pre2018, you didn't mind playing them. From about 2007/2008 onwards, until they'd won 2 euros and a world cup, Spain (like Limerick hurlers 2018-20??) were a different proposition entirely.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2698 - 21/07/2022 12:57:45    2433350

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Spain 2002 were like the Limerick hurlers pre2018, you didn't mind playing them. From about 2007/2008 onwards, until they'd won 2 euros and a world cup, Spain (like Limerick hurlers 2018-20??) were a different proposition entirely."
Yeah but player for player even back then they'd have been favourites to dispose of Ireland. They got a good fright from us that day though. Hard to believe that was our last appearance at a World Cup. There have been some green shoots recently in terms of the direction we're going under Kenny. But we're still lacking that bit of x-factor in the final third that can win us tight games. We were blessed for years with Duff and Keane.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7969 - 21/07/2022 13:39:18    2433363

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "A draw with the eventual winners wasn't a bad result at all in the group stage.

Given the circumstances heading into it it was a pretty impressive performance overall in 02."
A draw with the eventual runners up your post should read ....

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 21/07/2022 17:02:57    2433433

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I always felt we overstated how good we were at that world cup.
We played 4 games and our only victory came against the worst team in the whole tournament.
Even had we gotten past Spain we would have played South Korea in the quarters and no way would we have been allowed beat them.
The corruption during their games was scandalous."
Qualifying was part of that World Cup, and that is where the real achievement was. To get a play off place in a group containing world class Holland and Portugal teams was a remarkable achievement.

What came to light in the last few years probably showed everything wasn't right behind the scenes in 02. We were a very good soccer team and if things were right off the field who is to know what that team could of achieved at the WC. For whatever reason we also wasted the five years after that WC, we should of been at every major tournament in the 00's, or at least upto Germany 2006.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 943 - 21/07/2022 17:26:12    2433442

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My favourite Irish football moment happened on Sunday 12th June in 1988 at 2.36 pm when Ray Houghton scored his first ever goal for the Republic against the auld enemy. What a day to be Irish.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 567 - 22/07/2022 16:23:10    2433579

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considering all counties have discussions on 1 forum now can thread titles at least say the county involved so we dont have thread titles just saying 'new manager'.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 24/07/2022 14:44:15    2433894

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Replying To KillingFields:  "considering all counties have discussions on 1 forum now can thread titles at least say the county involved so we dont have thread titles just saying 'new manager'."
You obviosly didn't bother your hole to read the thread did you?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 506 - 24/07/2022 18:26:28    2433972

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Disgrace that RTE the national broadcaster did not cover the World Athletics Championships on TV. Several Irish athletes took part and did well. Meanwhile RTE is giving full coverage of the womens Euro soccer even though Ireland are not there.

crafty (Galway) - Posts: 222 - 24/07/2022 19:35:31    2434013

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Replying To crafty:  "Disgrace that RTE the national broadcaster did not cover the World Athletics Championships on TV. Several Irish athletes took part and did well. Meanwhile RTE is giving full coverage of the womens Euro soccer even though Ireland are not there."
had they purchased the rights? Could they have?
I think TG4 had purchased rights a few years back to some international athletics events but didnt show anything this time round.
RTE probably have to show the womens euros because its tied in to the rights to the mens tournament. if you dont show womens tournament you cant show mens.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 24/07/2022 19:45:36    2434022

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Replying To crafty:  "Disgrace that RTE the national broadcaster did not cover the World Athletics Championships on TV. Several Irish athletes took part and did well. Meanwhile RTE is giving full coverage of the womens Euro soccer even though Ireland are not there."
Maybe they feel people would have more interest in the euro's

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1688 - 24/07/2022 20:33:11    2434052

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