National Forum

Wexford Hurling Championship 2022

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To Viking66:  "Ah no Beano 3 1 or 2 hour sessions in the gym isn't going to impact a player unless they are doing a heavy gym session the day before, or the morning of, the game ."
S and C involves more than just gym work.

The football championships will be interesting for all the wrong reasons imho as we are going to see many many clubs playing without their best footballers simply because of the structure that's in place.

Already a few high profile ones gone or going, others like chin saying he probably won't play due to trying to recover from the hurling championship and this will be across the board from what I'm hearing.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1044 - 21/08/2022 13:03:56    2438164

Link

Replying To beano:  "Or of a Sunday morning, when every club trains."
Not sure what you mean Beano? Gym programs aren't a new thing. Many club players are gym members. It's not something you do instead of training. Alot of lads in the gym I belong to don't do any competitive sport at all.
Some are members of various clubs around town. That I would know of definitely include St Mary's Maudlintown, Harriers and Shels. I'm sure there are other members of the gym who play for other clubs too.
There's some discussion in our club of getting our own gym set up and we are only Intermediate. I'd be very surprised if most senior clubs don't already have gym programs etc. Darragh Egan said on the hurling podcast that it was a supervised program that he was calling the u20s in for. No point doing gym work if it's not targeted right.
Some lads are a good size already and wont need the same kind of program that someone who is naturally alot lighter would need.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 21/08/2022 13:25:10    2438169

Link

Replying To beano:  "Or of a Sunday morning, when every club trains."
Not sure what you mean Beano? Gym programs aren't a new thing. Many club players are gym members. It's not something you do instead of training. Alot of lads in the gym I belong to don't do any competitive sport at all.
Some are members of various clubs around town. That I would know of definitely include St Mary's Maudlintown, Harriers and Shels. I'm sure there are other members of the gym who play for other clubs too.
There's some discussion in our club of getting our own gym set up and we are only Intermediate. I'd be very surprised if most senior clubs don't already have gym programs etc. Darragh Egan said on the hurling podcast that it was a supervised program that he was calling the u20s in for. No point doing gym work if it's not targeted right.
Some lads are a good size already and wont need the same kind of program that someone who is naturally alot lighter would need.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 21/08/2022 13:25:42    2438170

Link

Replying To Onfor15:  "A lot of football people don't realize this, but in terms of the overall benefits to Wexford football, the current format is by far and away the best possible"
without a doubt, thats why it wont last any more than 3 years

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2464 - 21/08/2022 14:16:34    2438172

Link

Replying To beano:  "No he wasn't. In fact his brother was better off the bench vs. Ferns than Oisin was over the course of every other game. It still astounds me that he got a run that day vs. Dublin.

I see in the hurling podcast, Bernie was basically knocking the football again. Claiming it will effect Ferns' Leinster campaign, even though there is roughly a months gap between the end of one (should they get that far) and the start of the other. We also had Egan on it positive about football, yet he is calling in lads to do S and C already when they should be focusing on their clubs."
Who is this Bernie one on the hurling podcast?

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 105 - 22/08/2022 09:36:32    2438221

Link

Replying To indaknownow:  "Who is this Bernie one on the hurling podcast?"
I wonder is he related to The wexford former hurler Dave Bernie. I think both are from Ferns.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 36 - 22/08/2022 18:19:11    2438309

Link

Replying To Magpie2:  "I wonder is he related to The wexford former hurler Dave Bernie. I think both are from Ferns."
I know Dave, think he is a nephew.
Don't think he hurled at a high level?

On that topic, I listened to the podcast about the coaching strategy, and so on. A lot of very good discussion and plans, and no offence intended but the goal that Wexford win an All-Ireland in 5 years is unrealistic. I don't tout underage success as a be-all and end all but they need to be winning Leinsters and competing for All-Irelands in underage for that to be a reality.

10 years would be more realistic target. There are good minors and u20s coming through, but are they good enough to make that 5 year goal happen? I am not so sure. If they get 4-5 max senior hurlers off this years u20s, that will be 1/5th of what Wexford need as the core of the senior hurling team is coming to the end and the subs aren't ready made starters. And all need to be top-class hurlers and I am not sure Wexford are there yet.

I expect Wexford to win one before Dublin in hurling but not in 5 years.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 23/08/2022 10:35:21    2438350

Link

Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I know Dave, think he is a nephew.
Don't think he hurled at a high level?

On that topic, I listened to the podcast about the coaching strategy, and so on. A lot of very good discussion and plans, and no offence intended but the goal that Wexford win an All-Ireland in 5 years is unrealistic. I don't tout underage success as a be-all and end all but they need to be winning Leinsters and competing for All-Irelands in underage for that to be a reality.

10 years would be more realistic target. There are good minors and u20s coming through, but are they good enough to make that 5 year goal happen? I am not so sure. If they get 4-5 max senior hurlers off this years u20s, that will be 1/5th of what Wexford need as the core of the senior hurling team is coming to the end and the subs aren't ready made starters. And all need to be top-class hurlers and I am not sure Wexford are there yet.

I expect Wexford to win one before Dublin in hurling but not in 5 years."
It's hard to know really.

The current group need probably 2 more players for the next step.

Another top class defender. There are two good candidates for this in the under 20 group.

Another prolific scorer. That might be Corey Byrne Dunbar.

I'm very interested to see how like Murphy and Conal Clancy develop.

My fear is looking across the underage ranks I don't see the next Liam Ryan, Lee chin or Conor mac.

Or even dee or mogie.

Winning leinster in 19 was great. But to me this group did not deliver what they could have.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 1967 - 23/08/2022 11:48:54    2438371

Link

Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I know Dave, think he is a nephew.
Don't think he hurled at a high level?

On that topic, I listened to the podcast about the coaching strategy, and so on. A lot of very good discussion and plans, and no offence intended but the goal that Wexford win an All-Ireland in 5 years is unrealistic. I don't tout underage success as a be-all and end all but they need to be winning Leinsters and competing for All-Irelands in underage for that to be a reality.

10 years would be more realistic target. There are good minors and u20s coming through, but are they good enough to make that 5 year goal happen? I am not so sure. If they get 4-5 max senior hurlers off this years u20s, that will be 1/5th of what Wexford need as the core of the senior hurling team is coming to the end and the subs aren't ready made starters. And all need to be top-class hurlers and I am not sure Wexford are there yet.

I expect Wexford to win one before Dublin in hurling but not in 5 years."
The core of the current team are pretty far off their end. Chin is 29. MOH, Mogie and Dee are 30/1 but none have indicated that they are retiring this year. Most of the rest of the core players are only mid 20s. Jippo, Donohue, P Foley, gavin Bailey, Conor Devitt, Jacko and Kevin Foley are 27. Shane Reck, Mikie Dwyer, Oisin Foley are 25. Damien Reck, ROC, Dunbar, Flood are 24. Fringe players mid twenties or under include Higgins, Niall Murphy, Casey, Banville. This year's u20s lost the Leinster final by just a point to Kilkenny who went on to win the AI final just a couple of weeks later. In 5 years time likely be Chin, Mogie, Dee and MOH might not be playing senior intercounty but most of the rest of the lads should be barring serious injury. And the u20s will be 24 and coming into their peak years. Of the younger players u20 or older coming through I'd imagine AJ, Jack Redmond, Conor Foley, Scallan, Lawlors x2, Byrne Dunbar, Tucker Kinsella, Cian Byrne, Shamey O Hagan and Billy Dunne should all make good senior intercounty players if they keep focused and keep developing and Barrett, Codd, Pepper and a few others could well do too.
In 5 years time maybe the current Limerick team will be after having their day. The big 3 will always be the big 3. But no reason why we shouldn't be in the mix with everyone else as well.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 23/08/2022 12:39:00    2438388

Link

Replying To Doylerwex:  "It's hard to know really.

The current group need probably 2 more players for the next step.

Another top class defender. There are two good candidates for this in the under 20 group.

Another prolific scorer. That might be Corey Byrne Dunbar.

I'm very interested to see how like Murphy and Conal Clancy develop.

My fear is looking across the underage ranks I don't see the next Liam Ryan, Lee chin or Conor mac.

Or even dee or mogie.

Winning leinster in 19 was great. But to me this group did not deliver what they could have."
Liam Ryan will only be 32 in 5 years time. Plenty of time for a Niall Murphy or similar to make full back theirs after Ryan retires.
I can't put Conor Mac in the same class of core Wexford hurlers as Ryan and Chin on current form much though I'd like to. Or Dee and Mogie. Or even a Reck or ROC who are still young fellas really. When was the last time Mac grabbed a game by its scruff and hauled us over the line?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 23/08/2022 12:51:30    2438393

Link

Replying To Viking66:  "Liam Ryan will only be 32 in 5 years time. Plenty of time for a Niall Murphy or similar to make full back theirs after Ryan retires.
I can't put Conor Mac in the same class of core Wexford hurlers as Ryan and Chin on current form much though I'd like to. Or Dee and Mogie. Or even a Reck or ROC who are still young fellas really. When was the last time Mac grabbed a game by its scruff and hauled us over the line?"
He's our top scorer from play for his whole career.

I agree though. Chin or roc can turn a game on their own. Mac doesn't really have that.

I think you're a bit optimistic over the lifespan of an intercounty career to be honest.

Looking at the average age of teams now they're getting younger all the time.

Having said that you could say we have a better squad now than we might have in 5 years time.

I agree we could be in the mix.

I watched the Clare game last night.

Looking back on this season I think we messed-up big time with a couple of key decisions in leinster in particular but Egan knows that.

We seemed to have so much more confidence in nowlan Park and vs Clare.

Albiet there's no scenario where I see us beating limerick.

I've said for ages if somebody else takes them out we'd have a chance.

I can't wait for January.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 1967 - 23/08/2022 16:51:49    2438451

Link

Replying To Doylerwex:  "He's our top scorer from play for his whole career.

I agree though. Chin or roc can turn a game on their own. Mac doesn't really have that.

I think you're a bit optimistic over the lifespan of an intercounty career to be honest.

Looking at the average age of teams now they're getting younger all the time.

Having said that you could say we have a better squad now than we might have in 5 years time.

I agree we could be in the mix.

I watched the Clare game last night.

Looking back on this season I think we messed-up big time with a couple of key decisions in leinster in particular but Egan knows that.

We seemed to have so much more confidence in nowlan Park and vs Clare.

Albiet there's no scenario where I see us beating limerick.

I've said for ages if somebody else takes them out we'd have a chance.

I can't wait for January."
Agree mistakes were made. Easy to say that from our position and with hindsight too.
Still think we were unlucky with injuries against Clare. Apart from Rory going off early Chin wasn't right and neither was Dwyer. Dunbar was missing altogether. Take a good look at Damien Reck after he gets the blow to the head also when you watch it back.
Yes looking forward to next season. When do the Fitzgibbon panels get named?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 23/08/2022 17:19:50    2438457

Link

The Bernie on the podcast is Ben Bernie. I think he would have been on the County Minor Panel in 2005 if my memory serves me correctly. His father (Also called Ben Bernie) would have been the Minor Manager that year, he's a brother of Dave Bernie

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 23/08/2022 18:31:21    2438463

Link

Replying To Viking66:  "The core of the current team are pretty far off their end. Chin is 29. MOH, Mogie and Dee are 30/1 but none have indicated that they are retiring this year. Most of the rest of the core players are only mid 20s. Jippo, Donohue, P Foley, gavin Bailey, Conor Devitt, Jacko and Kevin Foley are 27. Shane Reck, Mikie Dwyer, Oisin Foley are 25. Damien Reck, ROC, Dunbar, Flood are 24. Fringe players mid twenties or under include Higgins, Niall Murphy, Casey, Banville. This year's u20s lost the Leinster final by just a point to Kilkenny who went on to win the AI final just a couple of weeks later. In 5 years time likely be Chin, Mogie, Dee and MOH might not be playing senior intercounty but most of the rest of the lads should be barring serious injury. And the u20s will be 24 and coming into their peak years. Of the younger players u20 or older coming through I'd imagine AJ, Jack Redmond, Conor Foley, Scallan, Lawlors x2, Byrne Dunbar, Tucker Kinsella, Cian Byrne, Shamey O Hagan and Billy Dunne should all make good senior intercounty players if they keep focused and keep developing and Barrett, Codd, Pepper and a few others could well do too.
In 5 years time maybe the current Limerick team will be after having their day. The big 3 will always be the big 3. But no reason why we shouldn't be in the mix with everyone else as well."
Just want to check, which Billy Dunne are you talking about? Oulart have two Billy Dunnes; the Oulart Billy Dunne is a son of Liam, starts for Oulart, and is 25 at sometime this year. The Billy Dunne from the Ballagh is a decent bit younger and was Intermediate A this year, I think. I'm assuming that there isn't another young Billy Dunne hurling somewhere else in the county!

And when you say the two Lawlors, do you mean Richie and James?

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 23/08/2022 18:35:12    2438466

Link

Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Just want to check, which Billy Dunne are you talking about? Oulart have two Billy Dunnes; the Oulart Billy Dunne is a son of Liam, starts for Oulart, and is 25 at sometime this year. The Billy Dunne from the Ballagh is a decent bit younger and was Intermediate A this year, I think. I'm assuming that there isn't another young Billy Dunne hurling somewhere else in the county!

And when you say the two Lawlors, do you mean Richie and James?"
Oulart Billy Dunne. And yes James and Ritchie.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 23/08/2022 19:23:11    2438471

Link

Replying To beano:  "No he wasn't. In fact his brother was better off the bench vs. Ferns than Oisin was over the course of every other game. It still astounds me that he got a run that day vs. Dublin.

I see in the hurling podcast, Bernie was basically knocking the football again. Claiming it will effect Ferns' Leinster campaign, even though there is roughly a months gap between the end of one (should they get that far) and the start of the other. We also had Egan on it positive about football, yet he is calling in lads to do S and C already when they should be focusing on their clubs."
It was last night before I got round to listening to that episode of The Hurling Podcast. Unless I missed something, only mention of football I heard from that lad was him saying it'll affect Ferns preparation for Leinster Championship more than it will affect Oulart.

I don't see a problem in saying that. If anything, a football stalwart should actually welcome that statement, since it means Ferns will be taking the football seriously enough, rather than treating it as just a bit of a diversion in the way that Oulart probably are.

And no disrespect to Oulart in saying that either. Good to seem fielding a team, and some interest in this evening's match v Rathnure! Good to see too that there's a collection there for the "Future for Fiadh" appeal. Hope it goes well.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1200 - 24/08/2022 15:52:26    2438578

Link

Replying To Pikeman96:  "It was last night before I got round to listening to that episode of The Hurling Podcast. Unless I missed something, only mention of football I heard from that lad was him saying it'll affect Ferns preparation for Leinster Championship more than it will affect Oulart.

I don't see a problem in saying that. If anything, a football stalwart should actually welcome that statement, since it means Ferns will be taking the football seriously enough, rather than treating it as just a bit of a diversion in the way that Oulart probably are.

And no disrespect to Oulart in saying that either. Good to seem fielding a team, and some interest in this evening's match v Rathnure! Good to see too that there's a collection there for the "Future for Fiadh" appeal. Hope it goes well."
I didn't listen to the episode but it sounds like a mountain being made out of a mole hill.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 25/08/2022 10:53:54    2438637

Link

Replying To Viking66:  "The core of the current team are pretty far off their end. Chin is 29. MOH, Mogie and Dee are 30/1 but none have indicated that they are retiring this year. Most of the rest of the core players are only mid 20s. Jippo, Donohue, P Foley, gavin Bailey, Conor Devitt, Jacko and Kevin Foley are 27. Shane Reck, Mikie Dwyer, Oisin Foley are 25. Damien Reck, ROC, Dunbar, Flood are 24. Fringe players mid twenties or under include Higgins, Niall Murphy, Casey, Banville. This year's u20s lost the Leinster final by just a point to Kilkenny who went on to win the AI final just a couple of weeks later. In 5 years time likely be Chin, Mogie, Dee and MOH might not be playing senior intercounty but most of the rest of the lads should be barring serious injury. And the u20s will be 24 and coming into their peak years. Of the younger players u20 or older coming through I'd imagine AJ, Jack Redmond, Conor Foley, Scallan, Lawlors x2, Byrne Dunbar, Tucker Kinsella, Cian Byrne, Shamey O Hagan and Billy Dunne should all make good senior intercounty players if they keep focused and keep developing and Barrett, Codd, Pepper and a few others could well do too.
In 5 years time maybe the current Limerick team will be after having their day. The big 3 will always be the big 3. But no reason why we shouldn't be in the mix with everyone else as well."
I hope you are right Viking.
I think though, hurling is now a younger man's game. I don't believe you'll see many of those who are 27 still hurling for you in 5 years. Most players are now gone before 30 and so they should be Wexford need the u20s and minors to end their carrers by taking their place.
Wexford, like Dublin, have not had players pushing the elder statesmen and it is impacting both team in my opinion.
A good list of players you mention there though. Hopefully they will make it. Billy Dunne would have made it by now if he was going to, no? I always thought he was a good club hurler in fairness, it just doesn't seem to work out for him?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 25/08/2022 10:59:27    2438640

Link

Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I hope you are right Viking.
I think though, hurling is now a younger man's game. I don't believe you'll see many of those who are 27 still hurling for you in 5 years. Most players are now gone before 30 and so they should be Wexford need the u20s and minors to end their carrers by taking their place.
Wexford, like Dublin, have not had players pushing the elder statesmen and it is impacting both team in my opinion.
A good list of players you mention there though. Hopefully they will make it. Billy Dunne would have made it by now if he was going to, no? I always thought he was a good club hurler in fairness, it just doesn't seem to work out for him?"
I've seen Billy Dunne play 6 times this year. He's an excellent hurler. He's only 24 and featured in the Walsh Cup this year.
Mogie did his ACL twice and at 31 is still one of our best players. I don't agree that good/great players retire before they are 32 as a rule. Look at Tipps, Galways, Kilkennys best players over the last decade. Horgan for Cork. Some less great players might lose their place at a younger age, but that wouldn't be down to their age. Players retiring before 32 either suffered bad injuries or just weren't good enough.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 26/08/2022 14:33:45    2438756

Link

Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I hope you are right Viking.
I think though, hurling is now a younger man's game. I don't believe you'll see many of those who are 27 still hurling for you in 5 years. Most players are now gone before 30 and so they should be Wexford need the u20s and minors to end their carrers by taking their place.
Wexford, like Dublin, have not had players pushing the elder statesmen and it is impacting both team in my opinion.
A good list of players you mention there though. Hopefully they will make it. Billy Dunne would have made it by now if he was going to, no? I always thought he was a good club hurler in fairness, it just doesn't seem to work out for him?"
I forgot Keane Carroll too. Another good prospect. And Conall Clancy. And obviously Charlie Mcguckin will fill out also. He might be an intercounty midfielder in the long term. He certainly has the battling qualities needed.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 26/08/2022 14:54:23    2438761

Link