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Has anyone seen video from Annes Martins game? What's the thoughts?

paddybull (Wexford) - Posts: 42 - 01/08/2022 07:45:08    2435675

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Thought the harriers were extremely unlucky to be honest.

Rapps just a bit cuter in keeping the scoreboard ticking over.

The raps second goal on the break was totally against the run of play and was the winning of the game.

A brilliant save at the other end just before that when the harriers looked like certain goal.

With the exception of Kehoe, mulligan and Berry that's a young team.

I think we could get 3 or 4 County stars out of it.

Will be very surprised if scallan, Murphy and Clancy aren't involved in the Walsh Cup.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 1968 - 01/08/2022 09:19:00    2435682

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Replying To paddybull:  "Has anyone seen video from Annes Martins game? What's the thoughts?"
Seen it, and how it wasn't spotted is a joke. Basically served as an additional post. I wonder could it rumble on? If I were in the Anne's camp, I'd be appealing anyway. No different to getting a red card overturned on video evidence.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 01/08/2022 11:48:19    2435705

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Thought the harriers were extremely unlucky to be honest.

Rapps just a bit cuter in keeping the scoreboard ticking over.

The raps second goal on the break was totally against the run of play and was the winning of the game.

A brilliant save at the other end just before that when the harriers looked like certain goal.

With the exception of Kehoe, mulligan and Berry that's a young team.

I think we could get 3 or 4 County stars out of it.

Will be very surprised if scallan, Murphy and Clancy aren't involved in the Walsh Cup."
Agree Doyler. Thought the harriers left that game behind them. They missed 4 really good goal chances and denied what looked to me a clear penalty.
Rapps experience got them over the line. Thought Luke murphy was terrific for the harriers scoring 0.03 from play and is a great prospect. Chin immense in the first half scoring I think 1.03 from play . Kevin foley good for the rapps and nick doyle also very good getting their 2 goals.
Fabulous evening's entertainment in the sunshine andWell done to both sets of players for providing a really enjoyable game.
The one downside for me was the carry on of the fourth official who seemed to be picking a battle with both sets of mentors any time he could.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 357 - 01/08/2022 13:04:41    2435718

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Replying To beano:  "Seen it, and how it wasn't spotted is a joke. Basically served as an additional post. I wonder could it rumble on? If I were in the Anne's camp, I'd be appealing anyway. No different to getting a red card overturned on video evidence."
The ref in the Shels game bottled it as well when it came to the Gorey wing back, already booked and then pulls down one of the Shels players heading in on goal. Completely deliberate and possibly stopped a goal chance but no yellow as he know it would have been a red. I am all for defending refs when they make a mistake or didn't see something but I do not believe that was a mistake, he spoke to the player and warned him so knew what he was doing.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1504 - 01/08/2022 13:34:51    2435727

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Replying To beano:  "Seen it, and how it wasn't spotted is a joke. Basically served as an additional post. I wonder could it rumble on? If I were in the Anne's camp, I'd be appealing anyway. No different to getting a red card overturned on video evidence."
Haven't watched it yet, but intend to do so tonight. What exactly are we talking about here?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1218 - 01/08/2022 13:57:00    2435732

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Agree Doyler. Thought the harriers left that game behind them. They missed 4 really good goal chances and denied what looked to me a clear penalty.
Rapps experience got them over the line. Thought Luke murphy was terrific for the harriers scoring 0.03 from play and is a great prospect. Chin immense in the first half scoring I think 1.03 from play . Kevin foley good for the rapps and nick doyle also very good getting their 2 goals.
Fabulous evening's entertainment in the sunshine andWell done to both sets of players for providing a really enjoyable game.
The one downside for me was the carry on of the fourth official who seemed to be picking a battle with both sets of mentors any time he could."
Was at that one myself and think that's a fair enough assessment of the match.

Would agree 100% that the fourth official was a bit....let's say "over zealous". And not for the first time.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1218 - 01/08/2022 13:57:56    2435733

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Haven't watched it yet, but intend to do so tonight. What exactly are we talking about here?"
There is a video doing the rounds on social media, Annes scored a goal but it hit the goalies hurl bag and bounced back out! Goal wasn't giving.

paddybull (Wexford) - Posts: 42 - 01/08/2022 15:18:16    2435753

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Replying To beano:  "Seen it, and how it wasn't spotted is a joke. Basically served as an additional post. I wonder could it rumble on? If I were in the Anne's camp, I'd be appealing anyway. No different to getting a red card overturned on video evidence."
It's fairly blatant but waste of time appealing it in all honesty.

They have serious grounds for appeal but nothing bar another championship draw mess up will delay games.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1044 - 01/08/2022 15:28:25    2435756

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Thought the harriers were extremely unlucky to be honest.

Rapps just a bit cuter in keeping the scoreboard ticking over.

The raps second goal on the break was totally against the run of play and was the winning of the game.

A brilliant save at the other end just before that when the harriers looked like certain goal.

With the exception of Kehoe, mulligan and Berry that's a young team.

I think we could get 3 or 4 County stars out of it.

Will be very surprised if scallan, Murphy and Clancy aren't involved in the Walsh Cup."
Scallan was involved with the Senior hurlers this year already!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6136 - 01/08/2022 15:50:48    2435765

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Replying To beano:  "Seen it, and how it wasn't spotted is a joke. Basically served as an additional post. I wonder could it rumble on? If I were in the Anne's camp, I'd be appealing anyway. No different to getting a red card overturned on video evidence."
I think you're being harsh. The video to be slowed right down and zoomed in on for people to be able to tell what happened.

The umpires had a split second to react. To give a goal they had to be 100% sure that it was a goal. I don't think they could have made that call with everything happening as fast as it did.

So the main issue was not that the umpires didn't spot where the ball hit, but that they allowed the bag of hurls to be left there.

In terms of it rumbling on, any appeal should be immediately dismissed. Mainly because it would create a dreadful precedent.

It is very different to getting a red card rescinded. When a red card is overturned it often means that the committee have decided that an official has made a mistake. So if anyone is looking for a game to be replayed on the basis of an official making a mistake on a score, then to be consistent you'd have to be looking for games to replayed if an official made a mistake over a red card. I'm sure you can see the problem with this.

Finally, if there was such an appeal, St Martin's should immediately point out that Aidan Rochford took too many steps before he took the shot. And that would be the end of it.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 01/08/2022 15:55:08    2435766

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Replying To tearintom:  "It's fairly blatant but waste of time appealing it in all honesty.

They have serious grounds for appeal but nothing bar another championship draw mess up will delay games."
It calls into question the integrity of umpires. Like, I saw in two separate games this week the referee over-ruling after a wide was signalled a point or vice versa. How could they be so wrong here? Surely a ball hitting the post would have a distinctive sound? I imagine it hitting a hurl bag like it did would be deadened in comparison. How many times have umpires been called aside to inform about off the ball incidents? And that's treated as gospel but they miss something like this.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 01/08/2022 16:30:39    2435775

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Why is it just Wexford park that the 4th officials are so involved, one mentor only allowed stand on sideline in the little box and if move a yard outside box 4th official is involved straight away, all other venues it seems any amount of mentors allowed on sideline and move where ya like

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 141 - 01/08/2022 16:43:43    2435778

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Thought the harriers were extremely unlucky to be honest.

Rapps just a bit cuter in keeping the scoreboard ticking over.

The raps second goal on the break was totally against the run of play and was the winning of the game.

A brilliant save at the other end just before that when the harriers looked like certain goal.

With the exception of Kehoe, mulligan and Berry that's a young team.

I think we could get 3 or 4 County stars out of it.

Will be very surprised if scallan, Murphy and Clancy aren't involved in the Walsh Cup."
Harriers are on the ascendency no doubt about that.

I think they will win a championship in the next 2-3 years and could possible win a few.

A great crop coming through and with a small bit of luck they would be in a semi-final.

This year will have brought them younger lads on a tonne.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 457 - 01/08/2022 20:02:55    2435817

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Replying To lefty:  "Why is it just Wexford park that the 4th officials are so involved, one mentor only allowed stand on sideline in the little box and if move a yard outside box 4th official is involved straight away, all other venues it seems any amount of mentors allowed on sideline and move where ya like"
Good point. It's a free for all at senior matches in other grounds. If it is important to have a 4th official in Wexford park at senior then I don't understand why it isn't important to have a 4th official at senior matches in other grounds. Either the role is necessary or it isn't.

The person doing 4th official for the Ferns v Glynn game did his job quietly, effectively and without causing any unnecessary hardship for the referee to deal with. The referee incidentally had an excellent game.

It's a pity that a different 4th official in action this weekend goes actively looking for trouble almost to the point of goading the management teams in search of a reaction.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 01/08/2022 20:52:51    2435823

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Impressive win for Ferns this evening, albeit against a poor Glynn side. Collectively, I thought their backs were excellent, with the two Murphys and Patrick Breen standing out especially. Morris had a very good first half but was quieter in the second, and Benny Jordan must be the best impact sub in the championship. Biggest winning margin of the four quarter-finals, and I would give them a good chance of toppling Rapps. They probably have the best collection of forwards of the teams left.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 01/08/2022 21:14:55    2435826

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Outside of James Lawlor, any other goalkeepers impressing in any of the championships so far that could be looked at for the county panel?

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 457 - 02/08/2022 10:11:26    2435855

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Outside of James Lawlor, any other goalkeepers impressing in any of the championships so far that could be looked at for the county panel?"
Need a new goalkeeper in a bad way. Maybe Lalwer can step up to the number 1 spot.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 278 - 02/08/2022 11:38:41    2435862

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Replying To Onfor15:  "I think you're being harsh. The video to be slowed right down and zoomed in on for people to be able to tell what happened.

The umpires had a split second to react. To give a goal they had to be 100% sure that it was a goal. I don't think they could have made that call with everything happening as fast as it did.

So the main issue was not that the umpires didn't spot where the ball hit, but that they allowed the bag of hurls to be left there.

In terms of it rumbling on, any appeal should be immediately dismissed. Mainly because it would create a dreadful precedent.

It is very different to getting a red card rescinded. When a red card is overturned it often means that the committee have decided that an official has made a mistake. So if anyone is looking for a game to be replayed on the basis of an official making a mistake on a score, then to be consistent you'd have to be looking for games to replayed if an official made a mistake over a red card. I'm sure you can see the problem with this.

Finally, if there was such an appeal, St Martin's should immediately point out that Aidan Rochford took too many steps before he took the shot. And that would be the end of it."
Have seen the incident since all right - have watched several times, as I suspect most others have.

As regards any talk of whether or not St. Anne's should lodge an appeal, have found this in the Rule Book:
no Objection or Counter-Objection may be submitted on grounds that a referee had incorrectly allowed or failed to allow a score

That would seem to put that one to bed...

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1218 - 02/08/2022 12:29:29    2435871

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Outside of James Lawlor, any other goalkeepers impressing in any of the championships so far that could be looked at for the county panel?"
I think Dylan Byrne and Darragh Hayes could be worth looking at. Anto Larkin doing well too.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 02/08/2022 12:36:50    2435877

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