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Tailteann Cup 2022

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Well done to Leitrim on their win. Both Leitrim and Antrim had a good league in their respective divisions. For Antrim, in this 2022 format, there isn't a second day out. It's tough. For Leitrim, they are 70 minutes away from a Croke Park semi-final, live on RTÉ 2 on a Sunday afternoon."
Looking at the interviews with the players at the launch
They want more games in the Tailteann cup
A 4 team group by 4 would work and maybe have tg4 cover it

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 28/05/2022 20:18:17    2420688

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Replying To rhudson:  "Looking at the interviews with the players at the launch
They want more games in the Tailteann cup
A 4 team group by 4 would work and maybe have tg4 cover it"
Provincial winners and Tailteann teams are into straight knockout this year. Next year both will be entering groups of 4.
I've attended Kerry hurling McDonagh games without any TV covering the games. I think broadcasting the semi-finals and final of the Tailteann is fair enough.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9230 - 28/05/2022 21:01:21    2420693

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Replying To macca999:  ""The teams are divided into Northern and Southern Sections to enhance local rivalries and also avoiding travel costs, not only for teams, but for spectators as well. We want to accommodate as many people as possible to be able to attend the games"
The words of Larry McCarthy at draw, not that worried about cost to supporters when charge €15 into tailteann cup games though!! and i see its €25 into All Ireland Qualifiers too.


Guessing attendances in Aughrim and Enniscorthy were poor last week?

Id say be low numbers this week between cost and other sporting events on but hopefully good turnout Saturday in Pearse Park, be interesting to see the crowds and coverage it gets(especially with 4 provincial finals on too).
Least Sunday game acknowledged it last week"
3,616 at Cavan v Down yesterday.

Not a bad turn out to be fair.

MartinEgan (UK) - Posts: 84 - 29/05/2022 08:59:42    2420703

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Replying To rhudson:  "Looking at the interviews with the players at the launch
They want more games in the Tailteann cup
A 4 team group by 4 would work and maybe have tg4 cover it"
Next year it will be four groups of 4. Group winners will qualify for quarterfinals. 2nd placed teams and three of the 3rd places plus New York will play a preliminary knockout round to join the four group winners in the quarterfinals.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 29/05/2022 09:19:16    2420707

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Replying To offyertrolley:  "Next year it will be four groups of 4. Group winners will qualify for quarterfinals. 2nd placed teams and three of the 3rd places plus New York will play a preliminary knockout round to join the four group winners in the quarterfinals."
Group of 4 won't be a success. They didn't work for the Super 8. Lose your first 2 games and the last one is futile. Would players have the stomach for a third game after losing in the provential series and then 2 more loses in Tailteann Cup. The way the provential championship is going the Tailteann Cup could be increased to 24 teams. 8 groups of 3. Kerry, Dublin are the only contenders for Sam from Leinster and Munster. Roscommon, Galway and Mayo are competitive in Connacht and about 4/5 teams in Ulster.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2267 - 29/05/2022 11:11:16    2420730

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Replying To eoinog:  "Group of 4 won't be a success. They didn't work for the Super 8. Lose your first 2 games and the last one is futile. Would players have the stomach for a third game after losing in the provential series and then 2 more loses in Tailteann Cup. The way the provential championship is going the Tailteann Cup could be increased to 24 teams. 8 groups of 3. Kerry, Dublin are the only contenders for Sam from Leinster and Munster. Roscommon, Galway and Mayo are competitive in Connacht and about 4/5 teams in Ulster."
It seems that lessons have been learned from the Super 8s experiment.

In next year's Tailteann format the four group winners will qualify for the quarterfinals.
The four second placed teams and three third placed teams (plus New York) will progress to a preliminary knockout stage.
The four winners of the preliminary knockout round will join the group winners in the quarterfinals.

In most scenarios even teams that have lost their first two games can still have the potential to claim third place with a win in their final group match. This new format seems designed to keep the groups competitive to the end.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 29/05/2022 12:22:10    2420739

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Replying To eoinog:  "Group of 4 won't be a success. They didn't work for the Super 8. Lose your first 2 games and the last one is futile. Would players have the stomach for a third game after losing in the provential series and then 2 more loses in Tailteann Cup. The way the provential championship is going the Tailteann Cup could be increased to 24 teams. 8 groups of 3. Kerry, Dublin are the only contenders for Sam from Leinster and Munster. Roscommon, Galway and Mayo are competitive in Connacht and about 4/5 teams in Ulster."
3 of the 4 third places get out in tailteann so teams will qualify with 1 win.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 29/05/2022 12:37:24    2420742

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Replying To offyertrolley:  "It seems that lessons have been learned from the Super 8s experiment.

In next year's Tailteann format the four group winners will qualify for the quarterfinals.
The four second placed teams and three third placed teams (plus New York) will progress to a preliminary knockout stage.
The four winners of the preliminary knockout round will join the group winners in the quarterfinals.

In most scenarios even teams that have lost their first two games can still have the potential to claim third place with a win in their final group match. This new format seems designed to keep the groups competitive to the end."
When the groups of 4 come in, if they are smart, they won't announce the round 2 and 3 fixtures until after round 1. Keep the round 1 winners apart until round 3. Everyone will have something to play for in round 3!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9230 - 29/05/2022 13:47:28    2420746

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Replying To skirge7:  "3 of the 4 third places get out in tailteann so teams will qualify with 1 win."
Or by just getting a draw and having a better scoring difference. It's a bad format which takes the intensity out of the group stage. The hurling round robin works because you only have half the teams advancing. Tipp, Waterford, and Dublin are all out.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 29/05/2022 14:25:18    2420751

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Or by just getting a draw and having a better scoring difference. It's a bad format which takes the intensity out of the group stage. The hurling round robin works because you only have half the teams advancing. Tipp, Waterford, and Dublin are all out."
I disagree. I think it's worth trying out.
In Munster it's three out of five. In Leinster it's three out of four - neither Westmeath nor Laois at the moment have any prospect of breaking into the top three.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 29/05/2022 15:00:56    2420754

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Replying To offyertrolley:  "I disagree. I think it's worth trying out.
In Munster it's three out of five. In Leinster it's three out of four - neither Westmeath nor Laois at the moment have any prospect of breaking into the top three."
75% should not be advancing to the knockout stage. Most of the counties in Sam have prospect of winning it so how is that any different to Laois or Westmeath in hurling?

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 29/05/2022 15:11:30    2420756

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Offaly, Westmeath, and Carlow advance. Carlow the surprise there, seeing off Tipperary who were fancied by many to do well in this. We know our last 8 now seeing as New York now join the others at this stage. Draw to take place for the quarters tomorrow morning on RTÉ

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2484 - 29/05/2022 15:48:57    2420768

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Great result for Carlow, fair play! Offaly and Westmeath will prefer to avoid each other. Cavan and Fermanagh will prefer to avoid each other as well. Sligo and Leitrim cannot be discounted however.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9230 - 29/05/2022 16:34:41    2420789

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Great result for Carlow, fair play! Offaly and Westmeath will prefer to avoid each other. Cavan and Fermanagh will prefer to avoid each other as well. Sligo and Leitrim cannot be discounted however."
Would have no issue playing Fermanagh, but yeah I'd prefer a non ulster side

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5306 - 29/05/2022 18:47:11    2420832

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So we got:

Leitrim v Sligo
Fermanagh v Cavan

You just knew the neighbours from each province would get each other. Literally sick playing each other, hence the split is silly.

Carlow v Westmeath
Offaly v New York

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2484 - 30/05/2022 08:42:20    2420932

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Leitrim v Sligo
Fermanagh v Cavan
Carlow v Westmeath
Offaly v New York

4 counties who have embraced the Tailteann Cup have home advantage, by luck of the draw. I hope their counties get behind them, as they bid to get to Croke Park. The 2022 Tailteann Cup winner qualifies for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9230 - 30/05/2022 09:08:05    2420937

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Some pretty good games over the weekend and pretty good coverage on The Sunday Game.

Big wins for Carlow and Leitrim in games they wouldn't have been fancied in beforehand.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 30/05/2022 09:35:53    2420947

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Leitrim v Sligo
Fermanagh v Cavan
Carlow v Westmeath
Offaly v New York

4 counties who have embraced the Tailteann Cup have home advantage, by luck of the draw. I hope their counties get behind them, as they bid to get to Croke Park. The 2022 Tailteann Cup winner qualifies for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage."
What on earth do you mean by that? What have they embraced more than the others?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2484 - 30/05/2022 10:32:19    2420966

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "So we got:

Leitrim v Sligo
Fermanagh v Cavan

You just knew the neighbours from each province would get each other. Literally sick playing each other, hence the split is silly.

Carlow v Westmeath
Offaly v New York"
The GAA are banking on local rivalry bringing in more of a crowd. The county boards of Sligo, Cavan and Westmeath will be happy that they are not having to spend so much on travel.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9230 - 30/05/2022 10:33:00    2420968

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Leitrim v Sligo
Fermanagh v Cavan
Carlow v Westmeath
Offaly v New York

4 counties who have embraced the Tailteann Cup have home advantage, by luck of the draw. I hope their counties get behind them, as they bid to get to Croke Park. The 2022 Tailteann Cup winner qualifies for the 2023 Sam Maguire 16 group stage."
I don't see any evidence that the other three counties that have already played and drawn away haven't embraced the Tailteann Cup.

mintyfresh (Westmeath) - Posts: 280 - 30/05/2022 10:50:54    2420975

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