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Tailteann Cup 2022

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In any event, do agree that the thread should now go back to the games, seeing as they're starting this weekend. So I've debated at length, and it is exhausting, so I'm parking that. Stuff for the off season maybe.

Think Offaly, even with their injuries, will turn it around and beat Wexford by 3 or 4. And I fancy Wicklow to get the win against Waterford. Will be interesting to see how the games go, and the interest of the crowds and such. Best of luck to all in the competition

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 21/05/2022 12:58:38    2419162

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Wicklow win the 1st ever Tailteann Cup match, seeing off Waterford by 3-16 to 1-10, moving on to the Round 1 South section where they'll play the winners of Offaly Wexford.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 21/05/2022 17:06:25    2419213

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Waterfords football season over I'd wonder how many attended that game or even knew it was on?

Football needs to copy hurling with its many championship tiers we hear some pundits and experts say as it will stop hammerings.



Today with 6 hurling teams in action in a near empty Croke Park

Louth won the Lory Meagher cup final by 13 points

Tyrone won the Nickey Rackard Cup final by 11 points

Kildare won the Christy Ring Cup final by 16 points

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 21/05/2022 18:33:23    2419234

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Replying To Yondu:  "Waterfords football season over I'd wonder how many attended that game or even knew it was on?

Football needs to copy hurling with its many championship tiers we hear some pundits and experts say as it will stop hammerings.



Today with 6 hurling teams in action in a near empty Croke Park

Louth won the Lory Meagher cup final by 13 points

Tyrone won the Nickey Rackard Cup final by 11 points

Kildare won the Christy Ring Cup final by 16 points"
one thing i noticed in the 5 grades of hurling some of the games are very one sided, in fact a lot of them are very one sided, even with so many grades,

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2974 - 21/05/2022 19:22:56    2419238

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "one thing i noticed in the 5 grades of hurling some of the games are very one sided, in fact a lot of them are very one sided, even with so many grades,"
Kildare were too good for the Ring Cup. Meath who have been relegated are probably too good for the Ring Cup as well but have been off the pace a bit in the McDonagh. Some counties are in a middle ground between two tiers.
Laois, Antrim and Offaly played Division 1 hurling this year. Westmeath from 2A have retained their Leinster status. Laois are relegated. Offaly have missed out on the McDonagh final. Kerry from 2A have made the final. Carlow from 2A also finished above Offaly.
Division 4 teams in football can take inspiration.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 21/05/2022 19:56:22    2419253

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I seen a journalist that covered the match in Aughrim yesterday saying there was no more than 500 at the game, will be interesting to see will anymore than that attend Wexford v Offaly.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1661 - 22/05/2022 11:22:51    2419334

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Replying To PK57:  "I seen a journalist that covered the match in Aughrim yesterday saying there was no more than 500 at the game, will be interesting to see will anymore than that attend Wexford v Offaly."
The McDonagh Cup in it's 5th year is now well established and respected. The Tailteann Cup will flourish.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 22/05/2022 12:37:34    2419368

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Teams were hammered during the back door All Ireland too. Some learn from big defeats, some don't, some think a narrow loss is progress but stop learning and looking for ways to improve and good teams learn and improve regardless. There's no perfect system. Outside of championship the so-called weaker counties need to be tested more in some sort of competitive games against stronger team intercounty/college to try improving their standard. The GAA brass hasn't come close to nearly covering itself in glory by not selling the Tailteann Cup better to players, coaches, the public. Let's give the Tailteann a spin in 2022 and 2023 to see how it goes with players and coaches as a barometer to gauge it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7978 - 22/05/2022 12:40:06    2419373

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Replying To PK57:  "I seen a journalist that covered the match in Aughrim yesterday saying there was no more than 500 at the game, will be interesting to see will anymore than that attend Wexford v Offaly."
Would any more have attended the same pairing in a 1st round Qualifier?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2296 - 22/05/2022 12:47:52    2419376

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Replying To PK57:  "I seen a journalist that covered the match in Aughrim yesterday saying there was no more than 500 at the game, will be interesting to see will anymore than that attend Wexford v Offaly."
500 for that particular fixture was fairly predictable - a dead rubber that Wicklow, in Aughrim, were always going to win handily.
Tbh It's hard to see any decent crowds attending before the semi-finals, and even then the upper tiers in Croke Park will probably remain closed.
I intend to go to Carrick-on-Shannon next week but I expect the attendance will be small (hopefully more than 500 though). Thankfully it's at 2pm. Had they fixed it for the evening I wouldn't go - not with the Champions League, Champions Cup and Leinster final all on at that time. The two fixtures (Sligo v London and Longford v Fermanagh) that have been scheduled for the evening I expect will have tiny attendances, which is a pity.
What's his name (GAA president) boasting that the competition will be 'meteoric' (paraphrasing admittedly) and then scheduling the first round to coincide with two provincial finals and two of the biggest club matches, globally, in soccer and rugby, is not the way to promote a new - secondary - competition.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 22/05/2022 14:11:44    2419391

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Waterford gone from the whole championship already, before the end of May - won't play a county game again until next January. Championship structure needs a complete revamp - minor alterations like the Tailteann Cup will do nothing for counties like Waterford.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 22/05/2022 14:28:05    2419397

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Replying To offyertrolley:  "500 for that particular fixture was fairly predictable - a dead rubber that Wicklow, in Aughrim, were always going to win handily.
Tbh It's hard to see any decent crowds attending before the semi-finals, and even then the upper tiers in Croke Park will probably remain closed.
I intend to go to Carrick-on-Shannon next week but I expect the attendance will be small (hopefully more than 500 though). Thankfully it's at 2pm. Had they fixed it for the evening I wouldn't go - not with the Champions League, Champions Cup and Leinster final all on at that time. The two fixtures (Sligo v London and Longford v Fermanagh) that have been scheduled for the evening I expect will have tiny attendances, which is a pity.
What's his name (GAA president) boasting that the competition will be 'meteoric' (paraphrasing admittedly) and then scheduling the first round to coincide with two provincial finals and two of the biggest club matches, globally, in soccer and rugby, is not the way to promote a new - secondary - competition."
He was asked straight out by a Cavan journalist if a more suitable time would be chosen for the game than the 2pm Saturday slot that saw Antrim v Cavan fail to sell 3000 tickets.

He dodged the question saying it was up to the CCCC but that he expected all games would be fixed at times chosen with fans and teams in mind.

The fixtures were confirmed the following morning.

Our game v Down is at 2pm next Saturday.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5246 - 22/05/2022 14:45:05    2419403

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Would any more have attended the same pairing in a 1st round Qualifier?"
According to some people there would be. People go on about the GAA having to market it etc but if people don't even bother to go there's only so much marketing that can be done.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 22/05/2022 14:58:51    2419409

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Replying To football first:  "Waterford gone from the whole championship already, before the end of May - won't play a county game again until next January. Championship structure needs a complete revamp - minor alterations like the Tailteann Cup will do nothing for counties like Waterford."
Had they been playing into the summer in recent years?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 22/05/2022 14:59:27    2419410

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Replying To football first:  "Waterford gone from the whole championship already, before the end of May - won't play a county game again until next January. Championship structure needs a complete revamp - minor alterations like the Tailteann Cup will do nothing for counties like Waterford."
The competition will be totally different next season.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4524 - 22/05/2022 15:08:27    2419417

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Replying To cavanman47:  "He was asked straight out by a Cavan journalist if a more suitable time would be chosen for the game than the 2pm Saturday slot that saw Antrim v Cavan fail to sell 3000 tickets.

He dodged the question saying it was up to the CCCC but that he expected all games would be fixed at times chosen with fans and teams in mind.

The fixtures were confirmed the following morning.

Our game v Down is at 2pm next Saturday."
Is there much appetite in Cavan for the competition? We're all looking at you guys as one of the likely semi-finalists, if not winners.
Cavan v Down would be one of the more appealing fixtures of the first round but I suspect you're not expecting much of a turn out at all next week. I reckon 2-3K would be a good attendance under the circumstances.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 22/05/2022 15:37:42    2419437

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Well done to Offaly a great result today

giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1278 - 22/05/2022 15:53:51    2419447

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Replying To offyertrolley:  "Is there much appetite in Cavan for the competition? We're all looking at you guys as one of the likely semi-finalists, if not winners.
Cavan v Down would be one of the more appealing fixtures of the first round but I suspect you're not expecting much of a turn out at all next week. I reckon 2-3K would be a good attendance under the circumstances."
The soundbites coming out of the team and management is that it's not where we wanted to be but now that we are we want to go and win it.

There are a couple of lads heading off to the states for the summer from what I've heard, not sure when exactly.

From a fan's point of view, I'd see it as a chance to lay down a marker ahead of the Division 3 league next spring, nothing more than that really.

We're 1/5 to beat Down which I think is ridiculous. I think we'll win by 3 or 4 points.

We should be winning the whole thing as I do honestly think we're the best team in it, but who knows. We can be woefully bad on our bad days.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5246 - 22/05/2022 16:02:14    2419452

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Replying To Yondu:  "Waterfords football season over I'd wonder how many attended that game or even knew it was on?

Football needs to copy hurling with its many championship tiers we hear some pundits and experts say as it will stop hammerings.



Today with 6 hurling teams in action in a near empty Croke Park

Louth won the Lory Meagher cup final by 13 points

Tyrone won the Nickey Rackard Cup final by 11 points

Kildare won the Christy Ring Cup final by 16 points"
Croke Park is a modern stadium, and like most of them the spectators are too far away from the pitch. It all contributes to a lack of atmosphere in such stadiums, unless they're full, or nearly full.

I remember going to Celtic soccer club's ground once, years ago, before it wa. I recall the stands were much closer to the pitch, and the roof didn't seem too high either. But it was great for atmosphere. Noise got up pretty quickly.

Often, what may be good for health and safety or for crowd control or having a running track around the pitch etc, is not good at all for atmosphere.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 22/05/2022 16:03:40    2419453

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Replying To essmac:  "Croke Park is a modern stadium, and like most of them the spectators are too far away from the pitch. It all contributes to a lack of atmosphere in such stadiums, unless they're full, or nearly full.

I remember going to Celtic soccer club's ground once, years ago, before it wa. I recall the stands were much closer to the pitch, and the roof didn't seem too high either. But it was great for atmosphere. Noise got up pretty quickly.

Often, what may be good for health and safety or for crowd control or having a running track around the pitch etc, is not good at all for atmosphere."
If those games were held in smaller grounds there would be a better atmosphere but the GAA would get hammered for not allowing these player their opportunity to play on the sacred sod of Croke Park so it's a no win situation. Cork Hammered Tipp and Clare did the same to Waterford so I would pay no heed to the heavy beatings in the afformentioned cups.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2100 - 22/05/2022 18:21:23    2419488

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