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No need to keep saying sorry to me. I have graciously accepted your sincere apology. I hope you have a lovely weekend.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 20/05/2022 12:37:22 2418916 Link 0 |
Why don't they? They shouldn't just keep going with huge flaws. Again, I never said my suggestions are perfect. But I'm not the guy getting paid in the Association to administer the game, yet making a huge mess of it. The issues are there to see, better paid people (whose job it is) can solve them. They're my ideas, they don't have to do it that way exactly, but they need to at least fix what are the clear flaws. I literally do back it up though. You, however, have not disproven what I've said. And I get your point on Clare (I did say there would be exceptions). But that was still 3 or 4 youth sides over the previous 8 or so years, and enough of them fed through. If it was one final with a bad beating, I'd agree. But reaching multiples finals while contesting a province with giants like Kerry and Cork (at that time) was a big deal, they still had to win games to get there. And they clearly got enough players off each of those teams through to make a decent Senior team for 92. 2 or 3 off each of those final reaching panel gives you the bulk of a team. Like, how on earth can you literally ignore the evidence in front of you? Practically every major win has foundations in successful youth. Literally go and look. One example doesn't mean I'm wrong. I'm actually laughing here at you. You think Clare 92 throws the youth point out the window? Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2360 - 20/05/2022 12:43:52 2418919 Link 1 |
Yeah indeed. It's why I think there needs to be a better link somehow between them. Cavan I feel will move up next year. this year being an aberration overall (we've shown to play at a higher level in Championship). And I'm not being parochial here, I'm not on about just my own county (really). It's the others below who really need more help. They'll be further cut off and won't get the chance to move up and improve. 3 distinct groups will separate out even more than now. The top few who can win, the middle ones who will vary from bottom of Tier 1 to top of Tier 2, and then the bottom ones who will be there continually.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2360 - 20/05/2022 12:53:17 2418928 Link 1 |
There's no need to keep replying to me you know that right?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1373 - 20/05/2022 12:53:28 2418930 Link 0 |
But anytime anyone tries to show you otherwise you've dismissed with by saying it's just an exception. What you also choose to ignore about the Clare example is bar one year they avoided either Kerry or Cork before the final. Without saying this is exactly what you want. Bigger teams drawing each other and knocking each other out. No one is saying that teams don't need to be strong at underage but you're again twisting this to suit your own agenda. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1373 - 20/05/2022 13:01:23 2418937 Link 0 |
So now what do you for those teams? Should they just be left win it? The same why you want them put in a higher division in the league?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1373 - 20/05/2022 13:03:57 2418940 Link 0 |
As I've said before, 12 counties are well capable of winning the Tailteann. Division 4 counties have extra incentive for progressing to Division 3. Division 3 counties have extra incentive for progressing to Division 2. The league can no longer be dismissed as only being the league.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7755 - 20/05/2022 13:12:13 2418946 Link 0 |
And I can say the same to you. Have a phenomenal weekend.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 20/05/2022 13:15:02 2418948 Link 0 |
Sorry I wasn't talking to you.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1373 - 20/05/2022 13:44:15 2418955 Link 0 |
It is only the 'elite' teams who play in the partition cup that dismiss the league. Teams in this particular cup always treat the league seriously.
weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 20/05/2022 13:46:24 2418958 Link 1 |
I can side both sides of both of these arguments to be honest. I'd lean to your thinking on them but there are pros to the GAA's way of doing them. Is next year's Tailteann group stage geographically split? Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 20/05/2022 14:18:02 2418968 Link 6 |
Oh you were my learned friend. Look back and see that you were talking to me. I think you are a likkle bit confused as you did say that I did not need to keep replying to you so you were indeed talking to me! But anyway I think you may be rather cross as all of your points are being ripped to shreds by other more learned posters and that has made you sad. However there is no need to be. Look on it as a learning opportunity. Now I will not be addressing you on this issue any more as I feel I have exhausted all avenues with you but I genuinely wish you a nice, relaxing and peaceful weekend. Enjoy it and I hope you like it very much. howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 20/05/2022 14:22:50 2418972 Link 1 |
I mean I think there are very few teams that won't have serious aspirations of making the Sam Maguire 16. Louth are in this years. There's very few teams looking up and thinking we can't achieve what Louth have achieved. There's plenty of room with 16 teams for non traditional counties to be able to get up and establish themselves. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 20/05/2022 14:23:57 2418973 Link 6 |
Ripped to shreads by whom exactly? You is it? Or one of your other accounts? I haven't seen you make a single point seeing as you're so much more "learned" then us mear mortals. So why not tell us all your grand master plan? I get a feeling we'll be waiting for quite a long time for that however... oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1373 - 20/05/2022 14:43:57 2418987 Link 0 |
Like the way you twisted to use one example of Clare? My thoughts stand up to scrutiny here, you're seemingly arguing because you can
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2360 - 20/05/2022 14:49:14 2418991 Link 0 |
Could you possible please go back and read my messages, instead of having me repeat the same things every page?
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2360 - 20/05/2022 14:50:05 2418992 Link 0 |
Yeah it's set to be. I see no basis for continuing that. If travel was such an issue, the Qualifiers would be split too. No need for it, it only pushed teams who already play each other regularly in their provinces back into the same fixtures. New fixtures are needed for this
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2360 - 20/05/2022 14:52:17 2418993 Link 0 |
I do get you. But I also think Louth managed it well to get up this year, but will come back quickly. I can't see them surviving Division 2 next year. Then the rotation starts./ Teams may very well aspire for that, but it'll be the few who will consistently compete to get up.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2360 - 20/05/2022 14:55:37 2418994 Link 0 |
You're the one who's claiming them winning in 92 was based on them making underage finals are you not? You're also ignoring the fact they avoided Kerry and Cork to get to those finals.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1373 - 20/05/2022 15:11:26 2419005 Link 0 |
Again you don't say anything to to sort this out other than putting them in a higher division just for the sake of it. Then refuse to answer how this is supposed to be the answer to everything.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1373 - 20/05/2022 15:13:16 2419006 Link 0 |