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Long time lurker, new poster.
Diving is now endemic in GAA. Every county (EVERY county) has the player who goes down theatrically or when surrounded by players is either looking for something to fall over or some hurl to grab. Or even better, leave a hurl digging in like it is being held.
Hegarty was sent off wrongly but why are GAA people so against a video review? Colm Lyons made the best decision on an instant. He could ask the 4th official "is there anything in that"?
Do people want the best guess or the right decision after all?
But that said, its getting fairly tedious when all people can talk about after every big match is the referee performance. Whoever loses is blaming the referee, a draw and both sides are blaming him. Tedious in the extreme. Hurling is now borderline impossible to referee and for all the complaints, I never hear any proposals for how to help them out.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 210 - 16/05/2022 14:29:20    2417736

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I, myself, am looking to seeing Declan Hannon being the first man to Captain a four in a row Munster Title winning team, almost as much as I am I am looking forward to seeing himself, Mulcahy and Quaid become the first Limerick men to win five Munster Medals, since that all conquering team of '33 to '40. Those men of the Halcion days of long ago, in their beds in Heaven, must be full of admiration for those gallant young men who are so magnificently blazing a similar trail."
There's a refreshing thought from all the distraction of diving and referee showing gup with an agenda.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1315 - 16/05/2022 14:35:57    2417743

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Amen! I'd absolutely love it. All the pubs in South Galway and North Clare would be rocking. Gort wouldn't shut down for a week or more. Ha ha."
No disrespect but the rivalry between Galway and Clare is nothing compared to Limerick v Clare. There's no comparison.
Hegarty was done a disservice yesterday. We go on about the professionalism of GAA but it's still an amateur game. The officials are the most amateur of all. The whole incident was embarrassing. There should be 2 challenges per half or match for the managers. The ref can be asked to come over and take a look by the manager...pitch side monitor. It wouldn't be any slower than the trotting from pilar to post that the ref did yesterday for Hegartys sending off. Great game overall

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1691 - 16/05/2022 14:41:47    2417749

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I've asked posters already if this was a player from any other county maybe bar Austin gleeson would there have been a booking?in my opinion no..the problem I really have is his first yellow,can someone please explain what that was for?an incident was highlighted last night with mcinerney clearly man handling hegarty and dragging him to the ground..umpires were looking at this but didn't see it,the same two umpires who were questioned about the second incident,they saw one from fifty meters couldn't see what happened in front of them..I'd be worried the likes of gearoid and Austin would walk away because of vilification from certain analysts and press..ive said when limerick players have deserved red but yesterday not for me.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1721 - 16/05/2022 14:42:14    2417750

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Replying To daveboy:  "Was the clare player not in control of the situation when he decided in a calculated manner to make the referees job even harder. It was hurley on hurley contact. The clare player controlled everything after that grabbing his chest and made lyons job v difficult. The stuff on here this morning is really baffling and a little worrying. It seems its OK to simulate now as it's happening a lot. I can't condone this from any player. It needs to be stamped out. Clare have had 2 matches in a row where they have gotten opposition players sent off by cheating the referee into making a difficult call."
This and the targeting of players are horrible developments in the game that need to be dealt with. What was metered out to Gleeson in Walsh Park yesterday was outrageous. Take one for the team ? What a joke. Will that stop it or will more just be dished out ? There are no saints in the game and Austin is not one or should be expected to be.
Cork were the better team and won because of that. However do we want our games to degrade to these tactics ? Personally I don't want wins this way or care if it goes on in other sports.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2134 - 16/05/2022 14:45:02    2417752

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Replying To daveboy:  "Was the clare player not in control of the situation when he decided in a calculated manner to make the referees job even harder. It was hurley on hurley contact. The clare player controlled everything after that grabbing his chest and made lyons job v difficult. The stuff on here this morning is really baffling and a little worrying. It seems its OK to simulate now as it's happening a lot. I can't condone this from any player. It needs to be stamped out. Clare have had 2 matches in a row where they have gotten opposition players sent off by cheating the referee into making a difficult call."
Go to 49:43 on this video for high end embarrassment! You'd swear Limerick hurling is holier than thou!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQAqdzkmnnk

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1294 - 16/05/2022 15:03:25    2417765

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "What is the purpose of the ereferee if not to make edecisions??"
While I rarely like what you post, this is possibly your best post ever on HS; this one did make me laugh. Even your poor spelling doesn't distract from the humor. LMFAO.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1214 - 16/05/2022 15:06:40    2417768

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Replying To Canuck:  "This and the targeting of players are horrible developments in the game that need to be dealt with. What was metered out to Gleeson in Walsh Park yesterday was outrageous. Take one for the team ? What a joke. Will that stop it or will more just be dished out ? There are no saints in the game and Austin is not one or should be expected to be.
Cork were the better team and won because of that. However do we want our games to degrade to these tactics ? Personally I don't want wins this way or care if it goes on in other sports."
I think this issue of being targeted is highlighted because of the reaction?

I mean surely the likes of Tony Kelly gets as much "treatment" as Aussie Gleeson but Kelly is able to get on with the game better.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2247 - 16/05/2022 15:08:24    2417769

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Striking or attempting to strike an opponent with the hurley is a red card. It should have been a straight red?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3996 - 16/05/2022 15:11:19    2417771

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "While I rarely like what you post, this is possibly your best post ever on HS; this one did make me laugh. Even your poor spelling doesn't distract from the humor. LMFAO."
Thanks for your opinion, "teacher" Likewise I have taken glossing over feeble attempts at relevance by you and Derek McGrath. Where are you chiming in from today ... Tokyo,Florida...Mars?

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1315 - 16/05/2022 15:17:00    2417776

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Reminder of this beaut:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0404/1290311-whoever-beats-waterford-will-climb-the-steps-mcgrath/

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2247 - 16/05/2022 15:18:06    2417779

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Replying To bloodyban:  "No disrespect but the rivalry between Galway and Clare is nothing compared to Limerick v Clare. There's no comparison.
Hegarty was done a disservice yesterday. We go on about the professionalism of GAA but it's still an amateur game. The officials are the most amateur of all. The whole incident was embarrassing. There should be 2 challenges per half or match for the managers. The ref can be asked to come over and take a look by the manager...pitch side monitor. It wouldn't be any slower than the trotting from pilar to post that the ref did yesterday for Hegartys sending off. Great game overall"
Not sure the people in South Galway or North Clare would agree that the rivalry is nothing compared to Limerick v Clare. Depends on where you live! ;-)

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 2736 - 16/05/2022 15:24:32    2417785

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Long time lurker, new poster.
Diving is now endemic in GAA. Every county (EVERY county) has the player who goes down theatrically or when surrounded by players is either looking for something to fall over or some hurl to grab. Or even better, leave a hurl digging in like it is being held.
Hegarty was sent off wrongly but why are GAA people so against a video review? Colm Lyons made the best decision on an instant. He could ask the 4th official "is there anything in that"?
Do people want the best guess or the right decision after all?
But that said, its getting fairly tedious when all people can talk about after every big match is the referee performance. Whoever loses is blaming the referee, a draw and both sides are blaming him. Tedious in the extreme. Hurling is now borderline impossible to referee and for all the complaints, I never hear any proposals for how to help them out."
Possibly the most sensible post that I've read all day. Video evidence is used in so many sports these days (but they're professional sports), and it doesn't slow down or distract from the game. Did the water-breaks take that much away from hurling or Gaelic football, really? Some may say yes, some may say no. But they helped get the game thru a difficult period. They did not change the fundamentals of the sports anyway.

The point, my Irish friends, is that change can be good; look at hawk-eye! Has it ever ruined any game? Yet, it was so opposed in so many quarters. Would a video review really distract from the game? Would it take any longer than a hawk-eye decision?

The games like life, move on. What people held was good enough, say in the 90's, even a decade ago might not actually be good enough today.

Exiled, good proposal!
Let's say two refs; one for either half of the field?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1214 - 16/05/2022 15:25:51    2417786

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Long time lurker, new poster.
Diving is now endemic in GAA. Every county (EVERY county) has the player who goes down theatrically or when surrounded by players is either looking for something to fall over or some hurl to grab. Or even better, leave a hurl digging in like it is being held.
Hegarty was sent off wrongly but why are GAA people so against a video review? Colm Lyons made the best decision on an instant. He could ask the 4th official "is there anything in that"?
Do people want the best guess or the right decision after all?
But that said, its getting fairly tedious when all people can talk about after every big match is the referee performance. Whoever loses is blaming the referee, a draw and both sides are blaming him. Tedious in the extreme. Hurling is now borderline impossible to referee and for all the complaints, I never hear any proposals for how to help them out."
You're absolutely spot on in my opinion.
Players and management teams are making a referee's job almost impossible these days. Refs will make mistakes and those that make terrible blunders need to be held accountable. We've had plenty threads on that already. I didn't see any egregious mistake from Lyons yesterday. He did his best, while having to deal with players up to all sorts of tricks in a fast-paced game.
In relation to yesterday's game, there's all kinds of nonsense being thrown out, usually along partisan lines. I'll ask anyone to argue with the following points:

- Aaron Fitzgerald feigned injury yesterday. It was embarrassing and it contributed to Hegarty getting booked. He's not the only one to have done it in recent years, far from it, but it needs to be called out whenever it happens.
- Hegarty should not be swinging his hurl at players. However light or forceful, it's a stupid thing to be doing. He did not deserve to be sent off yesterday, but he needs to stop being so loose with the hurl.
- The ref did not have an agenda. That kind of talk is absolute buinneach. He was told of a swing and a player going down. He made the decision based on what he saw and what his linesman and umpires told him. God help any ref trying to deal with this type of nonsense.
- As usual, it turns into a debate about a vendetta against a player/county vs others sticking the boot in unfairly. The truth is there is blame on both teams for yesterday's theatrics, and far less on the ref.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1447 - 16/05/2022 15:34:20    2417791

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Replying To Ban:  "Go to 49:43 on this video for high end embarrassment! You'd swear Limerick hurling is holier than thou!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQAqdzkmnnk"
Are you not following the comments on the thread ( or any you not able to? This incident has been mentioned umpteen times already, and quite a lot of Limerick posters have decried Byrnes' action, when it happened back then.

Kiely must have bawled him out of it, as I haven't seen a similar incident from any Limerick player since. You seem quite handy on the YouTube. If you've evidence of a Limerick dive since Byrnes fainted down, throw it up on here.

But at least, try to keep up to speed, ol' chap, like a good fella.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1214 - 16/05/2022 15:35:41    2417792

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Replying To Ban:  "Hegarty was waving his hurl around like a samurai sword! He knew exactly what he wanted to do to the Clare lad.

In defense of the Clare player, if he stay on the ground, Hegarty's swipe act goes un-noticed. The fact he went down, the ref had to investigate the matter. It happens 9/10 times in similar situations.
Its not nice to see lads going down with minimal contact, I'd be frustrated if I was a Limerick supporter. The lad who was 100% in control of that situation yesterday was Hegarty, and he let his team down by doing a stupid thing.

He'll sit down with Caroline Currid this week and process it. In the end, he will take full responsibly for what he did cause he's seems like a class guy who just keeps getting better. Common characteristics of such sportsmen are taking responsibility for your actions, and learning from them.

Its early days. Limerick will be around at the business end of the year and Hegarty will be the better of yesterdays experience."
I never read such rubbish Gearoid Hegarty did not deserve either yellow card. Players should pretend to be injured so the referee so would know what the other player intended. Absolutely ludicrous!! As for your final comment " he will be the better for it" sounds like the teacher after giving corporal punishment to all the class until one of them confesses.

aloneitstands (Limerick) - Posts: 47 - 16/05/2022 15:36:37    2417793

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Reminder of this beaut:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0404/1290311-whoever-beats-waterford-will-climb-the-steps-mcgrath/"
Still makes me laugh. He's become a parody really. We'll agree on that one anyway Lohan.

Can't wait for munster final. It's great to have Limerick v Clare. I'll be taking the father in law who's a proud Ennis man and We'll still be debating one or two of these points till the final itself.

Time to focus on the hurling now.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 16/05/2022 15:42:05    2417800

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I don't normally post on national threads as I prefer to rant with my Treaty comrades but just two items.

Question - Why is the All Ireland U20 final a double header with the Cork - Tipp Munster final match?
Comment - If I'm a top level ref in charge of a really big game, I'm going to cheat. I'd have one of my umpires or the 4th official have access to the TV feed or someone somewhere calling or texting in to confirm the TV picture on the really big calls. At this stage, all you can ask from a ref is that he's consistent and gets the really big calls right as the senior game is impossible to ref properly now.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 16/05/2022 15:45:52    2417803

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Thanks for your opinion, "teacher" Likewise I have taken glossing over feeble attempts at relevance by you and Derek McGrath. Where are you chiming in from today ... Tokyo,Florida...Mars?"
Tokyo, "pupil". However, I don't expect you to learn much. It's in your wont.

Can you recall that never-to-be-forgotten comment that you made in your vindictive way about a certain Limerick hurler (All-star, 2013; AI winner 2018, on the field of play)?

You said that you're 'refrigerator' would move faster and block more than that man. That your refrigerator would be more effective in that position.

You may have changed your stripes since Limerick has started to be successful. But for me, you'll always be the same: patheticOlogical.

That was one of the most scurrilous comments that I've ever seen a 'supporter' from their county make about one of their county players; never-to-be-forgotten.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1214 - 16/05/2022 15:49:32    2417806

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Possibly the most sensible post that I've read all day. Video evidence is used in so many sports these days (but they're professional sports), and it doesn't slow down or distract from the game. Did the water-breaks take that much away from hurling or Gaelic football, really? Some may say yes, some may say no. But they helped get the game thru a difficult period. They did not change the fundamentals of the sports anyway.

The point, my Irish friends, is that change can be good; look at hawk-eye! Has it ever ruined any game? Yet, it was so opposed in so many quarters. Would a video review really distract from the game? Would it take any longer than a hawk-eye decision?

The games like life, move on. What people held was good enough, say in the 90's, even a decade ago might not actually be good enough today.

Exiled, good proposal!
Let's say two refs; one for either half of the field?"
But what do we do though? I think if Colm Lyons looks at the replay of that yesterday by the book he has to send the guy off.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3996 - 16/05/2022 15:57:04    2417808

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