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daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 16/05/2022 16:01:15    2417810

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "I think this issue of being targeted is highlighted because of the reaction?

I mean surely the likes of Tony Kelly gets as much "treatment" as Aussie Gleeson but Kelly is able to get on with the game better."
Not even close and I don't want Tony Kelly or Aaron Gullane or any other player targeted by us in the quest to win. Here we go again its Austin Gleeson's fault. I doubt you were in Walsh Park yesterday. That's okay. I will give an update without the t.v. b.s. and pundits from behind the goal. Cork point was clear from behind the goal to go in off the upright. Pat Curran's free was wide. Gleeson's first yellow card was slightly late but when he initiated the hit the player was part of the play but not when hit. Okay protect the players but the great Frank Cummins and yere Brian Lohan would execute 5 or 6 like this on any given day. The second yellow card Downey came from behind around the neck and dragged Gleeson to the ground in a dangerous fashion. Probably should have been a straight red but I don't like to see players red carded except it is a very bad incident. Gleeson did nothing other than pushing him away on this one. Say what you like about Gleeson he can give it and take it but you won't find him faking injury or trying to get his opponent off. He's a man playing a man's game.
I am not going to keep making a meal about this and under no circumstances detract from Cork's win but some of the stuff going on is disgusting in the game I love. Fakers and out right targeting by managers or players is horrible. Gleeson's targeting through the league and championship is off the charts. Why ? Because very few could stand with him so far this year.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2134 - 16/05/2022 16:06:39    2417811

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Replying To daytona11:  "But what do we do though? I think if Colm Lyons looks at the replay of that yesterday by the book he has to send the guy off."
The line ball? What was yellow about that? No first yellow. Second yellow, yes! Thus, no red.

That's what "we do". We see!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1214 - 16/05/2022 16:29:35    2417825

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Are you not following the comments on the thread ( or any you not able to? This incident has been mentioned umpteen times already, and quite a lot of Limerick posters have decried Byrnes' action, when it happened back then.

Kiely must have bawled him out of it, as I haven't seen a similar incident from any Limerick player since. You seem quite handy on the YouTube. If you've evidence of a Limerick dive since Byrnes fainted down, throw it up on here.

But at least, try to keep up to speed, ol' chap, like a good fella."
I'm dyslexic and do find it hard to keep up on such active treads. I appreciate your kind words about my YouTube skills.

You seem like a person that knows quiet allot. Do you think Hegarty made an attempt to hit the Clare lad with his hurl?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1294 - 16/05/2022 16:34:39    2417829

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Replying To daytona11:  "Striking or attempting to strike an opponent with the hurley is a red card. It should have been a straight red?"
Are you for real,if you think that's a straight red,then we might as well give up on hurling.I hope your taking the mick.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 622 - 16/05/2022 16:59:50    2417848

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "You're absolutely spot on in my opinion.
Players and management teams are making a referee's job almost impossible these days. Refs will make mistakes and those that make terrible blunders need to be held accountable. We've had plenty threads on that already. I didn't see any egregious mistake from Lyons yesterday. He did his best, while having to deal with players up to all sorts of tricks in a fast-paced game.
In relation to yesterday's game, there's all kinds of nonsense being thrown out, usually along partisan lines. I'll ask anyone to argue with the following points:

- Aaron Fitzgerald feigned injury yesterday. It was embarrassing and it contributed to Hegarty getting booked. He's not the only one to have done it in recent years, far from it, but it needs to be called out whenever it happens.
- Hegarty should not be swinging his hurl at players. However light or forceful, it's a stupid thing to be doing. He did not deserve to be sent off yesterday, but he needs to stop being so loose with the hurl.
- The ref did not have an agenda. That kind of talk is absolute buinneach. He was told of a swing and a player going down. He made the decision based on what he saw and what his linesman and umpires told him. God help any ref trying to deal with this type of nonsense.
- As usual, it turns into a debate about a vendetta against a player/county vs others sticking the boot in unfairly. The truth is there is blame on both teams for yesterday's theatrics, and far less on the ref."
Players, managers, supporters, Twitter referees, and so on.
No matter who loses, it is the referees fault. Everybody is so quick to abdicate players of any responsibility. Hegarty did not deserve to be sent off. Gleeson can have no complaints from the angle behind the goal for me. But the thing is, both gave the referee a decision. I think if the referees had a review, or a referral a la cricket, Gleeson would have walked but Hegarty would not have.
In that case though, I think the player feigning injury needs to be dealt with. A black card for this maybe? A red card is too much, a yellow card won't cut it out!
My son was hurling a club match in Wexford recently and this young chap came in and won the first couple of balls and fell straight across him theatrically, blatantly diving for frees. He won 2 frees in the first 5 minutes. My son is a fair player who hits hard and isn't afraid to take one. He said to him after the second one "be ready for the knee that lands on your back next time you do that". That was the end of that, he didn't dive again and he got another couple of (legal) great hits on this little cheat.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 210 - 16/05/2022 17:03:57    2417852

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Replying To Dealer:  "I don't normally post on national threads as I prefer to rant with my Treaty comrades but just two items.

Question - Why is the All Ireland U20 final a double header with the Cork - Tipp Munster final match?
Comment - If I'm a top level ref in charge of a really big game, I'm going to cheat. I'd have one of my umpires or the 4th official have access to the TV feed or someone somewhere calling or texting in to confirm the TV picture on the really big calls. At this stage, all you can ask from a ref is that he's consistent and gets the really big calls right as the senior game is impossible to ref properly now."
I think, could be totally wrong, before the weekend results, afraid a small crowd,be hoping now should be a great day out.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 622 - 16/05/2022 17:04:05    2417853

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Replying To daveboy:  "https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0516/1298330-tyrrell-focus-should-be-on-players-feigning-injury/"
Jackie tyrell sums it up in a nutshell here. Hope a few people on here have a read.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 16/05/2022 17:04:06    2417854

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Replying To daytona11:  "But what do we do though? I think if Colm Lyons looks at the replay of that yesterday by the book he has to send the guy off."
No he doesn't, whatever about the second yellow, don't blame the ref,the Clare player is at fault but the first yellow was worse,hegarty took a sideline and the Clare player stood in his way,that call was worse then the second yellow.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 622 - 16/05/2022 17:07:23    2417857

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Replying To Ban:  "I'm dyslexic and do find it hard to keep up on such active treads. I appreciate your kind words about my YouTube skills.

You seem like a person that knows quiet allot. Do you think Hegarty made an attempt to hit the Clare lad with his hurl?"
I'm dyslexic too,that has nothing to with this,as I have said,what ever about the second yellow, which the Clare player is at fault,how did hegarty get the first yellow for trying to take a sideline.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 622 - 16/05/2022 17:10:54    2417860

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Replying To Ban:  "I'm dyslexic and do find it hard to keep up on such active treads. I appreciate your kind words about my YouTube skills.

You seem like a person that knows quiet allot. Do you think Hegarty made an attempt to hit the Clare lad with his hurl?"
I think he did, which a lot of people here seem to be conveniently ignoring.

Bosco98 (Galway) - Posts: 127 - 16/05/2022 17:20:01    2417864

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Amen! I'd absolutely love it. All the pubs in South Galway and North Clare would be rocking. Gort wouldn't shut down for a week or more. Ha ha."
Oh I'd love it too, there would be a great night in O'Sullivans if it's still going!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1633 - 16/05/2022 17:22:27    2417865

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Replying To Ban:  "I'm dyslexic and do find it hard to keep up on such active treads. I appreciate your kind words about my YouTube skills.

You seem like a person that knows quiet allot. Do you think Hegarty made an attempt to hit the Clare lad with his hurl?"
Apologies, didn't realize that you are dyslexic. On social
media you take people as you find them.

An attempt? I can't really say. In rugby, I do know that they (sanction committee) do play the game back, and review controversial incidents, even where a player wasn't sanctioned by the referee during the game.

Could it work in hurling? Yes.

Let's say, an expert group looks at Hegarty's first yellow, and they, as I believe, see it that he was just taking a line-ball; no card.

But then, see the second incident as a red card offense, and change the ref's yellow to a red.

Similarly, with Austin Gleeson! A group reviews it. Let's say, first card was a deserved yellow. Second one, they see it, as I saw it; no card for Gleeson. He was blatantly dragged to the ground by Downey. All Gleeson did was to defend himself. What is a player supposed to do in such a situation? So, rescind Gleeson's red card, and increase Downey's yellow to a red.

At the moment, appeals are all about getting something quashed or reduced. What if the authorities have the power to increase or add punishments, based on reviews of a game? It should apply across the board to diving, delaying tactics, and missed dirtiness by the ref.

It might start putting manners into the mouthers and feigners, and allow manly players like Austin Gleeson and Gearoid Hegarty get on with the game, and producing some of the best hurling you're ever gonna see!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1214 - 16/05/2022 17:45:12    2417881

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Hegarty saw the Clare player stand in front of the sideline in order to slow it down and still decided to pull. A yellow? No but again he gives Lyons a decision to make. It happens a lot in order to slow a game down and the way to address it is to move the ball in for a free. That'll deal with that.

Striking or attempting to strike an opponent with the hurley is a sending off. In real time it look to me to be a really dirty stroke so I won't hold the officials to account for the call the made. Now the Clare player took a dive and that's disgusting. But at the end of the day Gearoid shouldn't have given Lyons a decision to make again. The intent was there to strike but he missed.

I do think though that especially in hurling a video ref would be beneficial especially when there are 6 or 7 different camera angles involved. I just don't think the "diehard" hurling men will ever like the rule book being implemented.

Although it makes a pure mockery that Aaron Gillane wasn't sent of the week before.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3996 - 16/05/2022 17:54:58    2417885

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Replying To Ban:  "Go to 49:43 on this video for high end embarrassment! You'd swear Limerick hurling is holier than thou!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQAqdzkmnnk"
Double standard out of you then, OK for Clare man to dive but Limerick can't, stupid comment. We're not holier than thou, just look at the last 5 minutes yesterday and Finn should have free out for drag back by O'Donnell which led to Clare point and Reidy had the togs nearly ripped off him which should have been a Limerick free and point. That's a 2 point swing if a ref does his job fairly and properly. Even Conlons tackle near the end is a terrible challenge worthy of a red but Hannon stood up and didn't flop down. McInerney also had a tap on ODonoghe in the first which deserved a red if Hegartys deserved a yellow for his sending off.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 661 - 16/05/2022 18:38:13    2417901

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Long time lurker, new poster.
Diving is now endemic in GAA. Every county (EVERY county) has the player who goes down theatrically or when surrounded by players is either looking for something to fall over or some hurl to grab. Or even better, leave a hurl digging in like it is being held.
Hegarty was sent off wrongly but why are GAA people so against a video review? Colm Lyons made the best decision on an instant. He could ask the 4th official "is there anything in that"?
Do people want the best guess or the right decision after all?
But that said, its getting fairly tedious when all people can talk about after every big match is the referee performance. Whoever loses is blaming the referee, a draw and both sides are blaming him. Tedious in the extreme. Hurling is now borderline impossible to referee and for all the complaints, I never hear any proposals for how to help them out."
totally agree this diving culture has to be stamped out the gaa have to address this at next congress or our games will loose their warrior ethos and become a replica of the weak we see every day from other shores

hillman (Limerick) - Posts: 8 - 16/05/2022 19:10:27    2417911

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As a Limerick man we are square with Clare now for 2018 when they had David Reidy put off for nothing. No harm keeping the hurl held tight either. It was Hegarty's best game so far. He got a fair amount of stuff off the ball all day. I think we would have put them away if we had the 15. We should have enough for them the next day. I thought it was fierce funny the way Davy Fitzgerald said (about the other Day Fitzgerald) on the Sunday game 'and I have to point out, Davy Fitzgerald's contribution was absolutely massive in todays game. He was absolutely phenomenal Des' Lohan must have been fit to puke. Could it have been any other name!

stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 36 - 16/05/2022 20:17:29    2417923

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Players, managers, supporters, Twitter referees, and so on.
No matter who loses, it is the referees fault. Everybody is so quick to abdicate players of any responsibility. Hegarty did not deserve to be sent off. Gleeson can have no complaints from the angle behind the goal for me. But the thing is, both gave the referee a decision. I think if the referees had a review, or a referral a la cricket, Gleeson would have walked but Hegarty would not have.
In that case though, I think the player feigning injury needs to be dealt with. A black card for this maybe? A red card is too much, a yellow card won't cut it out!
My son was hurling a club match in Wexford recently and this young chap came in and won the first couple of balls and fell straight across him theatrically, blatantly diving for frees. He won 2 frees in the first 5 minutes. My son is a fair player who hits hard and isn't afraid to take one. He said to him after the second one "be ready for the knee that lands on your back next time you do that". That was the end of that, he didn't dive again and he got another couple of (legal) great hits on this little cheat."
I have put forward several solution to helping out with better officiating of hurling . I also agree that officiating will never please everyone. However start out from a position of strength and modernize the officiating to match how the actual playing has evolved.
1. Two referees.
2. Electronic scoring that immediately sounds a hooter or a goal light.
3. Time clock in the stadium. Either shorten the game to 60 minutes playing time or carry on as is just displaying time.
4. All red cards reviewed before dismissing a player.
5. One coach's/ managers review allowed to avoid what happened to Limerick.

Don't give me this crap about the money to do it or it slowing the game down for 30secs. here and there as time can be lost in many ways already. Getting more decisions correct is more important. This is the cost of bringing up the officiating to a standard that the game now demands. While like I said you will never please both side but quiet frankly the stand of officiating is deplorable. Not so much the referees mind you who are on a hiding to nothing.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2134 - 16/05/2022 21:35:53    2417940

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Replying To katser:  "Oh I'd love it too, there would be a great night in O'Sullivans if it's still going!"
Sullivan's Hotel is still there. Good food and a good pint. Galway Abu.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1520 - 16/05/2022 21:38:05    2417941

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Apologies, didn't realize that you are dyslexic. On social
media you take people as you find them.

An attempt? I can't really say. In rugby, I do know that they (sanction committee) do play the game back, and review controversial incidents, even where a player wasn't sanctioned by the referee during the game.

Could it work in hurling? Yes.

Let's say, an expert group looks at Hegarty's first yellow, and they, as I believe, see it that he was just taking a line-ball; no card.

But then, see the second incident as a red card offense, and change the ref's yellow to a red.

Similarly, with Austin Gleeson! A group reviews it. Let's say, first card was a deserved yellow. Second one, they see it, as I saw it; no card for Gleeson. He was blatantly dragged to the ground by Downey. All Gleeson did was to defend himself. What is a player supposed to do in such a situation? So, rescind Gleeson's red card, and increase Downey's yellow to a red.

At the moment, appeals are all about getting something quashed or reduced. What if the authorities have the power to increase or add punishments, based on reviews of a game? It should apply across the board to diving, delaying tactics, and missed dirtiness by the ref.

It might start putting manners into the mouthers and feigners, and allow manly players like Austin Gleeson and Gearoid Hegarty get on with the game, and producing some of the best hurling you're ever gonna see!"
Excellent post. There's too much going on that's going unpunished.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1599 - 16/05/2022 21:54:46    2417950

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