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tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/05/2022 17:18:54
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Replying To Shocs07: "I think a small bit of perspective is needed alround. How often have Limerick hammered Tipp? Never as long as I can remember (last 30 yrs). No doubt we've hammered Cork last year (and delighted to say it) but Sunday's match will be a real battle without doubt. Tipp certainly never lie down like recent Cork teams appear to do." Whether I was wearing Tipp blinkers I'm not so sure but I've always stuck with my own in pretty much every game up to this year. Even last years munster final I thought we'd beat ye. Wasn't shouting it from the roof tops but I thought Tipp were better than people thought and I seen weaknesses in the Limerick team. However by the end of the Munster final I could see limerick were actually better than most had already said! They're superior again this year without question. There's no way I would have thought limerick would be as good without Casey and Flanagan and as a whole they're better than last year. I thought Hannon was on the wane early last season, yet he's now actually better than ever. I thought Byrnes was over rated - he's now as dominant as Paudie Maher was in his prime. Jason Forde for me was easily in the top 5 forwards the last few years. He hasn't been this season granted but he probably put in one of the greatest 30 mins of hurling I've ever seen from any Tipp player, last year. The rest of the guys are going to be blown away by the Limerick backs. It's genuinely hard to see anything else only a massacre. I'll travel but it's the first time I'll ever have gone to a game where I can't see a Tipp result in my wildest dreams.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/05/2022 17:28:42
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Replying To thelongridge: "Did it also start with W ?" If you are suggesting it is our fans the only thing I can say we purged some of them years ago that came from another sport and jumped on the band wagon. Maybe some are back I don't know. We border Cork, Tipperary, Kilkenny with a stones throw from Wexford and Limerick and have the greatest respect for our adversaries. Unfortunately can't do anything about people with low esteem but would address it there and then if present. Having done it in the past.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 06/05/2022 21:28:35
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Replying To bloodyban: "GAA fans can be as big a sickeners as football or rugby supporters. This big all able to mix together is just navel gazing. Some GAA supporters think they are gods gift to sport like the Irish football supporters think of themselves as a cut above the rest of the soccer countries. Its typical Irish rubbish..ego stuff.
In my experience Iv always liked Cork supporters most...very magnanimous in victory and defeat. Iv liked Tipperary supporters the least. That's my experience..Im always open to having my mind changed. The best supporters of them all are Limerick city rugby supporters who go to the hurling in the summer. Fine bunch" Limerick rugby supporters the best? Come on most of them know nothing about any other sports and look down on GAA and especially soccer. They've even stopped following Munster because there winning nothing at the moment.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 845 - 06/05/2022 21:50:32
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Replying To bloodyban: "GAA fans can be as big a sickeners as football or rugby supporters. This big all able to mix together is just navel gazing. Some GAA supporters think they are gods gift to sport like the Irish football supporters think of themselves as a cut above the rest of the soccer countries. Its typical Irish rubbish..ego stuff.
In my experience Iv always liked Cork supporters most...very magnanimous in victory and defeat. Iv liked Tipperary supporters the least. That's my experience..Im always open to having my mind changed. The best supporters of them all are Limerick city rugby supporters who go to the hurling in the summer. Fine bunch" Are you taking the mickey or just looking for a reaction.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 07/05/2022 07:23:40
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Limerick have a strong line up named for tomorrow's match albeit still without Cian Lynch Peter Casey and Seamus Flanagan who is named on the bench. I think seeing Hayes at 14 again shows Kiely is settled on him in the FF line for the year. Will make things very interesting when Cian and Peter return esp with the excellent form of cathal o neill who gets a start at 11. Limericks backs look settled now too. They'll bring a lot of energy tomorrow and with a big crowd I'd imagine a big performance.
The tipp team for me looks strong 1-9. I do feel they are a bit short up front missing likes of Forde, Callinan, Bubbles and John mcgrath. Even the fact that Bonner and Dan mccormack don't start who I'd have thought Tipp needed for ball winning ability in the HF line shows they must not be 100%. Ger browne showed plenty v Clare and Morris can spark when on a good day..kehoe is a definite goal threat. The midfield of breen and Cadell is the best they have and rightly picked for me. Interesting they changed the keeper.
Tipp will bring the house tomorrow and have shown signs of good form this year esp against Waterford who I felt struggled against tipps intensity and movement early on. Limerick have been slow starters at times over the past few years and this is where Tipp will have to capitalise. I wonder will Tipp drop an extra man in to protect their FB line with Hayes and Gillane inside and the potential for Flanagan to come in there too. Tipp need to make this a dogfight in the middle third and swamp that area esp between their 40 and midfield.
Kiely I believe has had Gillane Hayes and Flanagan as his starting FF line in mind since January with the 3 interchangeable as an inside 2 during matches. With casey and lynch out but returns expected it makes it difficult to find room for all.
This is a match Limerick will want to win badly and for me then the season opens up nicely to get the group all back fit and ready to go for bigger honours. But first things first they can't underestimate this tipp team. They have a tradition and a lot of very talented personnel on the field tomorrow. They owe themselves and their supporters a big performance and will be respected.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 07/05/2022 09:02:13
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Replying To bloodyban: "GAA fans can be as big a sickeners as football or rugby supporters. This big all able to mix together is just navel gazing. Some GAA supporters think they are gods gift to sport like the Irish football supporters think of themselves as a cut above the rest of the soccer countries. Its typical Irish rubbish..ego stuff.
In my experience Iv always liked Cork supporters most...very magnanimous in victory and defeat. Iv liked Tipperary supporters the least. That's my experience..Im always open to having my mind changed. The best supporters of them all are Limerick city rugby supporters who go to the hurling in the summer. Fine bunch" For real?
GAA is God's gift to sport. Particularly hurling.
It's managed to remain authentic, honest and community based in a world where everything else is corrupted.
As an organisation, the GAA isn't perfect, but they're excellent at investing in grass roots and have never lost touch with their role in the birth of our nation and nurturing our identity when we needed it most.
It's so much more than sport.
Irish soccer fans are a cut above most.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3131 - 07/05/2022 09:08:02
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Replying To Canuck: "If you are suggesting it is our fans the only thing I can say we purged some of them years ago that came from another sport and jumped on the band wagon. Maybe some are back I don't know. We border Cork, Tipperary, Kilkenny with a stones throw from Wexford and Limerick and have the greatest respect for our adversaries. Unfortunately can't do anything about people with low esteem but would address it there and then if present. Having done it in the past." We have a good border with ye along the river.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13774 - 07/05/2022 11:34:24
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Limerick v Tipperary. Limerick by 7
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 07/05/2022 11:35:58
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Replying To thelongridge: "Limerick v Tipperary. Limerick by 7" Tipp fans mightn't be too upset with that outcome.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 581 - 07/05/2022 14:55:32
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Replying To daveboy: "Limerick have a strong line up named for tomorrow's match albeit still without Cian Lynch Peter Casey and Seamus Flanagan who is named on the bench. I think seeing Hayes at 14 again shows Kiely is settled on him in the FF line for the year. Will make things very interesting when Cian and Peter return esp with the excellent form of cathal o neill who gets a start at 11. Limericks backs look settled now too. They'll bring a lot of energy tomorrow and with a big crowd I'd imagine a big performance.
The tipp team for me looks strong 1-9. I do feel they are a bit short up front missing likes of Forde, Callinan, Bubbles and John mcgrath. Even the fact that Bonner and Dan mccormack don't start who I'd have thought Tipp needed for ball winning ability in the HF line shows they must not be 100%. Ger browne showed plenty v Clare and Morris can spark when on a good day..kehoe is a definite goal threat. The midfield of breen and Cadell is the best they have and rightly picked for me. Interesting they changed the keeper.
Tipp will bring the house tomorrow and have shown signs of good form this year esp against Waterford who I felt struggled against tipps intensity and movement early on. Limerick have been slow starters at times over the past few years and this is where Tipp will have to capitalise. I wonder will Tipp drop an extra man in to protect their FB line with Hayes and Gillane inside and the potential for Flanagan to come in there too. Tipp need to make this a dogfight in the middle third and swamp that area esp between their 40 and midfield.
Kiely I believe has had Gillane Hayes and Flanagan as his starting FF line in mind since January with the 3 interchangeable as an inside 2 during matches. With casey and lynch out but returns expected it makes it difficult to find room for all.
This is a match Limerick will want to win badly and for me then the season opens up nicely to get the group all back fit and ready to go for bigger honours. But first things first they can't underestimate this tipp team. They have a tradition and a lot of very talented personnel on the field tomorrow. They owe themselves and their supporters a big performance and will be respected." Agree with you 100%. Good post
Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 08/05/2022 09:32:12
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Replying To Doylerwex: "For real?
GAA is God's gift to sport. Particularly hurling.
It's managed to remain authentic, honest and community based in a world where everything else is corrupted.
As an organisation, the GAA isn't perfect, but they're excellent at investing in grass roots and have never lost touch with their role in the birth of our nation and nurturing our identity when we needed it most.
It's so much more than sport.
Irish soccer fans are a cut above most." Wow. 'Irish soccer fans are a cut above the rest'.. people actually believe that?! That statement is all ego and arrogance. Typical of an Irish soccer supporter changing the flat tyre. 'Look at us..look how great we are..yes we can't sit down together and enjoy a quiet drink ...yes we have to annoy every person in a 100 yard radius.. but aren't we great all the same'. Please give us a break.
Limerick rugby supporters from my experience are very good. They support the hurlers in Munster Championship and its vice versa ,alot of Limerick soccer and Hurling supporters would have a city rugby club aswell that they grew up with. Yes there is a certain cadre if rugby supporter who look down on the GAA as uncouth but that's an ever shrinking demographic. There is a fair few annoying GAA supporters who are actively anti rugby ...nit many in Limerick but iv come across a few. I dont like them.
Tipp I think will be good. McCormack must have kicked Bonners kid or something to not get a game. Heffernan should have been full back all season anyway. Its a position for an experienced man. And the form of Bonner Maher must be completely gone . He's gone to the well alot and maybe it's the end of the road for him physically. I can't imagine his hunger would ever dim. Great guy.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 08/05/2022 09:48:51
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Replying To daveboy: "Limerick have a strong line up named for tomorrow's match albeit still without Cian Lynch Peter Casey and Seamus Flanagan who is named on the bench. I think seeing Hayes at 14 again shows Kiely is settled on him in the FF line for the year. Will make things very interesting when Cian and Peter return esp with the excellent form of cathal o neill who gets a start at 11. Limericks backs look settled now too. They'll bring a lot of energy tomorrow and with a big crowd I'd imagine a big performance.
The tipp team for me looks strong 1-9. I do feel they are a bit short up front missing likes of Forde, Callinan, Bubbles and John mcgrath. Even the fact that Bonner and Dan mccormack don't start who I'd have thought Tipp needed for ball winning ability in the HF line shows they must not be 100%. Ger browne showed plenty v Clare and Morris can spark when on a good day..kehoe is a definite goal threat. The midfield of breen and Cadell is the best they have and rightly picked for me. Interesting they changed the keeper.
Tipp will bring the house tomorrow and have shown signs of good form this year esp against Waterford who I felt struggled against tipps intensity and movement early on. Limerick have been slow starters at times over the past few years and this is where Tipp will have to capitalise. I wonder will Tipp drop an extra man in to protect their FB line with Hayes and Gillane inside and the potential for Flanagan to come in there too. Tipp need to make this a dogfight in the middle third and swamp that area esp between their 40 and midfield.
Kiely I believe has had Gillane Hayes and Flanagan as his starting FF line in mind since January with the 3 interchangeable as an inside 2 during matches. With casey and lynch out but returns expected it makes it difficult to find room for all.
This is a match Limerick will want to win badly and for me then the season opens up nicely to get the group all back fit and ready to go for bigger honours. But first things first they can't underestimate this tipp team. They have a tradition and a lot of very talented personnel on the field tomorrow. They owe themselves and their supporters a big performance and will be respected." The team that has been named suggested to me that there will definitely be a sweeper. Stakelum will play midfield and cadell will either play at 6 or as the sweeper. It'll be either him, Ronan or Barry as sweeper. I expected ronan to be named at 3 but he could still play there.
All in all that leaves a forward line lacking any physical presence at all. We couldn't win a ball against limerick in the second half last year. What will it be like this year?!!
From a Limerick perspective there's a lot of talk about Peter Casey being back. From doing the same injury myself I don't think you'll see him this year in a Limerick jersey but maybe I'm wrong.
I was very impressed with Ryan when he came on the last day and he looks to be now in the same pace Casey was a few years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays himself on to that team by the end of the year - albeit with Hayes moving up that's a difficult task.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/05/2022 10:11:33
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Replying To Doylerwex: "For real?
GAA is God's gift to sport. Particularly hurling.
It's managed to remain authentic, honest and community based in a world where everything else is corrupted.
As an organisation, the GAA isn't perfect, but they're excellent at investing in grass roots and have never lost touch with their role in the birth of our nation and nurturing our identity when we needed it most.
It's so much more than sport.
Irish soccer fans are a cut above most." That's a very positive post. Unfortunately I cannot say the same given how corrupt some clubs are from top to bottom.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/05/2022 10:12:49
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Replying To daveboy: "Limerick have a strong line up named for tomorrow's match albeit still without Cian Lynch Peter Casey and Seamus Flanagan who is named on the bench. I think seeing Hayes at 14 again shows Kiely is settled on him in the FF line for the year. Will make things very interesting when Cian and Peter return esp with the excellent form of cathal o neill who gets a start at 11. Limericks backs look settled now too. They'll bring a lot of energy tomorrow and with a big crowd I'd imagine a big performance.
The tipp team for me looks strong 1-9. I do feel they are a bit short up front missing likes of Forde, Callinan, Bubbles and John mcgrath. Even the fact that Bonner and Dan mccormack don't start who I'd have thought Tipp needed for ball winning ability in the HF line shows they must not be 100%. Ger browne showed plenty v Clare and Morris can spark when on a good day..kehoe is a definite goal threat. The midfield of breen and Cadell is the best they have and rightly picked for me. Interesting they changed the keeper.
Tipp will bring the house tomorrow and have shown signs of good form this year esp against Waterford who I felt struggled against tipps intensity and movement early on. Limerick have been slow starters at times over the past few years and this is where Tipp will have to capitalise. I wonder will Tipp drop an extra man in to protect their FB line with Hayes and Gillane inside and the potential for Flanagan to come in there too. Tipp need to make this a dogfight in the middle third and swamp that area esp between their 40 and midfield.
Kiely I believe has had Gillane Hayes and Flanagan as his starting FF line in mind since January with the 3 interchangeable as an inside 2 during matches. With casey and lynch out but returns expected it makes it difficult to find room for all.
This is a match Limerick will want to win badly and for me then the season opens up nicely to get the group all back fit and ready to go for bigger honours. But first things first they can't underestimate this tipp team. They have a tradition and a lot of very talented personnel on the field tomorrow. They owe themselves and their supporters a big performance and will be respected." Funnily enough I read that Limerick have only lead in something like 7/20 games after the first quarter - I believe. That was a surprising statistic but just goes to show you how much they trust their style of play. While others bring that serious early intensity limerick generally remain calm and work the ball through the hands. They seem to literally suck the energy out of the opposition.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/05/2022 10:16:15
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Like I say, every county has 10k of proper, decent supporters who know how to behave as a supporter through good times and bad. And as a Wexford support, we know more bad than good but are a decent fan base all things considered.
Then a bit of success comes along, and the 10k doubles to 20-25k and the media are all over the "huge Wexford/Cork/Limerick support bringing great colour to the championship" when in reality it is 15k bandwagon hoppers proclaiming to be the county's number 1 fan.
They then show up in all their glory shouting and screaming in their brand new jerseys and hassling everybody about tickets and end up getting tanked up before the match and making a show of themselves at a match in spite of not knowing 5 of the players.
Every county has these and proper supporters see it a mile away. Wexford are as bad for this as any other county btw, people at the 2019 Leinster Final who wouldn't even go in to the minor match and yet we brought 60k to the final overall." One thing that really annoyed Dublin hurling people - including some of the players - was when they'd be playing before the footballers and while there's always 6/7,000 hurling supporters there along with the other county you could see and hear the place filling up to 5 or 6 times that often at a time when the game was in balance.
This could only have been a distraction and worse then was when some clown would come in half cut, scream at the hurlers and then proclaim that getting beaten by 2 or 3 points was a great result! Thankfully, the powers that be have stopped enforcing that insult on us :-)
On other hand, a big championship day is a big day out for many people who whatever reason don't come out in the Winter! Vast majority of them are sound people and the Summer atmosphere around Croke Park, Thurles, Ennis, Clones or wherever is something to be valued.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3096 - 08/05/2022 10:56:33
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Replying To tiobraid: "Funnily enough I read that Limerick have only lead in something like 7/20 games after the first quarter - I believe. That was a surprising statistic but just goes to show you how much they trust their style of play. While others bring that serious early intensity limerick generally remain calm and work the ball through the hands. They seem to literally suck the energy out of the opposition." Yes it's true they have a negative overall scoring rate of about 18 or 19 points over last few years but in the 2nd quarter it shoots up into the positive column to double that around 36-38 and is sustained through 3rd and 4th. I think it's multifactorial with their S & C so ahead of most countys, training match intensity, experience and leadership on the field but for me and most importantly their sidelines ability to tweak things after seeing opposition set up, ability to get that info onto the pitch and the players adaptability.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 08/05/2022 10:56:35
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Replying To bloodyban: "Wow. 'Irish soccer fans are a cut above the rest'.. people actually believe that?! That statement is all ego and arrogance. Typical of an Irish soccer supporter changing the flat tyre. 'Look at us..look how great we are..yes we can't sit down together and enjoy a quiet drink ...yes we have to annoy every person in a 100 yard radius.. but aren't we great all the same'. Please give us a break.
Limerick rugby supporters from my experience are very good. They support the hurlers in Munster Championship and its vice versa ,alot of Limerick soccer and Hurling supporters would have a city rugby club aswell that they grew up with. Yes there is a certain cadre if rugby supporter who look down on the GAA as uncouth but that's an ever shrinking demographic. There is a fair few annoying GAA supporters who are actively anti rugby ...nit many in Limerick but iv come across a few. I dont like them.
Tipp I think will be good. McCormack must have kicked Bonners kid or something to not get a game. Heffernan should have been full back all season anyway. Its a position for an experienced man. And the form of Bonner Maher must be completely gone . He's gone to the well alot and maybe it's the end of the road for him physically. I can't imagine his hunger would ever dim. Great guy." Bonner has had his fair share of bad injuries too. Looking forward to the game!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13774 - 08/05/2022 11:30:23
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Replying To daveboy: "Yes it's true they have a negative overall scoring rate of about 18 or 19 points over last few years but in the 2nd quarter it shoots up into the positive column to double that around 36-38 and is sustained through 3rd and 4th. I think it's multifactorial with their S & C so ahead of most countys, training match intensity, experience and leadership on the field but for me and most importantly their sidelines ability to tweak things after seeing opposition set up, ability to get that info onto the pitch and the players adaptability." Kinnerk
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13774 - 08/05/2022 11:33:45
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Just noticed that the last round robin games in Leinster are on different days and times. Kilkenny/Wexford is a must win for both but I'd have imagined they'd have all been same time as in 2019 to avoid any chance that one of teams might not have anything riding on their last game.
Not impossible that Dublin and Galway will be both guaranteed a place in top 3 and even the final after the Kilkenny match. The uncertainty the last time really made for a thrilling tow final games.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3096 - 08/05/2022 11:53:45
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