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Replying To Saynothing:  "Unless some were born outside of Ireland they are all Irish."
True, I should have said identify as Irish.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 02/03/2022 11:35:42    2403416

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Replying To Canuck:  "Exactly. This is the society we now live in. Ride the train that was provided by the blood and sweat of others. Spoon fed upstarts that should take a look at the people of Ukraine willing to fight tanks with motile cocktails to keep their country.
These guys shame my county. My fathers and forefathers. People like Kevin Ryan and others who gave so much time to hurling in Antrim and others. They should be named and shamed.
I also get a sense of many knowing nothing about the history of the six counties and they care less as long as the get off on what floats their boat. Idiots to say the least."
It's no reflection on you Canuck, nor on anyone other than those involved. We are not collectively responsible for others.

They should be ashamed of themselves, but the capacity for that is down to themselves. Just as is their capacity for having made buck eijits of themselves.

I recall one former county footballer - not a Dub - who was talking about his time playing, 15/20 years ago now. He said that he loved meeting lads he'd played against, but that there were one or two he'd cross the street if he saw them coming against him. Not because of getting a few smacks but because of the sledging.

So the ones who end up carrying this are not the "victims" but the lads who engage in it. That's their punishment.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2578 - 02/03/2022 13:02:02    2403451

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Replying To oneoff:  "Like I said you just refuse to admit it happens. I could list out examples and you'd still try and find a way to deny it. But like I said if that makes you happy then by all means you think that way."
Why don't you just humour me with a few examples.

It's almost like you don't actually have any.

Referencing something you may have seen at one time or another on social media is hardly a strong starting point.

You are not coming across as a very good debater.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 02/03/2022 13:13:01    2403455

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Replying To Joxer:  "I've never met anybody in the South who thinks that the six counties is only populated by Unionists and Loyalists and your view on the Irish Republic and supposed sympathies with the Unionist community is about as backward as they come. I would have thought that the commonly held view is that everyone in the six counties is Irish."
It's funny because this is something we regularly hear from people in the six counties. Yet apparently it's people from the South who need to be "educated" and we're backwards...

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 02/03/2022 13:19:57    2403460

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Replying To Wally:  "Why don't you just humour me with a few examples.

It's almost like you don't actually have any.

Referencing something you may have seen at one time or another on social media is hardly a strong starting point.

You are not coming across as a very good debater."
I've been to plenty of games and see it happening. I'm sorry I didn't record it for you.

So you know for 100% the recent allocations with Down and Antrim happened? Or did you see that on social media?

Again if it makes you happy to think it doesn't happen both ways you just keep right on thinking that.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 02/03/2022 14:02:32    2403466

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Replying To oneoff:  "I've been to plenty of games and see it happening. I'm sorry I didn't record it for you.

So you know for 100% the recent allocations with Down and Antrim happened? Or did you see that on social media?

Again if it makes you happy to think it doesn't happen both ways you just keep right on thinking that."
You seem to be mistaken. I did not make the first comment or comment directly on the validity of the comments made to the Down and Antrim players.

Below was your first post.

A poster from Ulster talking about people spouting bile the irony of it

While this didn't happen there have been cases in the past as much as some on here might try and say otherwise...
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 753 - 01/03/2022 14:01:40

You have claimed that there have been cases in the past. Presumably by Ulster teams insulating their southern neighbours about their geographical location and geopolitical beliefs.

Can you please back up these claims with some facts.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 02/03/2022 17:09:36    2403526

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Replying To Wally:  "You seem to be mistaken. I did not make the first comment or comment directly on the validity of the comments made to the Down and Antrim players.

Below was your first post.

A poster from Ulster talking about people spouting bile the irony of it

While this didn't happen there have been cases in the past as much as some on here might try and say otherwise...
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 753 - 01/03/2022 14:01:40

You have claimed that there have been cases in the past. Presumably by Ulster teams insulating their southern neighbours about their geographical location and geopolitical beliefs.

Can you please back up these claims with some facts."
Never said anything about Ulster teams anywhere. I said I've been at games and seen it first hand in the stands. Again pretend it doesn't happen if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Now as I asked you do you 100% know what's claimed to have happened recently happened? What facts do you have to back it up?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 02/03/2022 18:28:47    2403537

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There used to be a time where lads either ignored the individual who was sledging or decked him with a hard shoulder or a sly little punch, but never would they dare cry to the media about it , but I guess everyone thinks that there victim's today and care more about filling there social media profiles about poor me stories, Antrim are improving and are getting there but they won't make the next step till they tuffen up.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 666 - 02/03/2022 19:46:49    2403545

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "There used to be a time where lads either ignored the individual who was sledging or decked him with a hard shoulder or a sly little punch, but never would they dare cry to the media about it , but I guess everyone thinks that there victim's today and care more about filling there social media profiles about poor me stories, Antrim are improving and are getting there but they won't make the next step till they tuffen up."
Are you reading or listening to ANYTHING people are posting about this? It's not so much the slagging/sledging that annoys many, verbals go on and always have. It's what is being thrown out. When players outside the North come out with "British/Unionist/Prods" **** they are sticking 2 fingers up to those Ulster Gaels who were murdered, attacked, maimed AND clubs that were pipe bombed, petrol bombed and had their pitches studded with glass. It's an insult to every GAA member who was threatened and pulled out of cars and buses at gunpoint by the British Army/UDR/ RUC and had the same guns stuck in their faces. It's nothing to do with not being able to handle verbal, have you just closed your eyes and ears on this?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 03/03/2022 10:41:30    2403581

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "There used to be a time where lads either ignored the individual who was sledging or decked him with a hard shoulder or a sly little punch, but never would they dare cry to the media about it , but I guess everyone thinks that there victim's today and care more about filling there social media profiles about poor me stories, Antrim are improving and are getting there but they won't make the next step till they tuffen up."
Yeah sure the big tough Meath men don't play the victims unless a Nordie team uses a few dark arts on the field and then they want the book chucked at them for it. Applauding their own ref for sending a load of them off, big thugs that they are blah blah!

Antrim people don't need a lecture in toughening up from anyone, especially not someone living in a bubble in rural Ireland. You're lucky you had the choice to ignore or slap back in your part of the world. Anyone you know put in intensive care or killed for simply wearing their club colours?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 03/03/2022 10:43:01    2403582

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "There used to be a time where lads either ignored the individual who was sledging or decked him with a hard shoulder or a sly little punch, but never would they dare cry to the media about it , but I guess everyone thinks that there victim's today and care more about filling there social media profiles about poor me stories, Antrim are improving and are getting there but they won't make the next step till they tuffen up."
The verbals being discussed here are nothing to do with "toughening up."

(Meath obviously never hurled up too much in Casement or the Glens against them boys!! Ask Dubs or Laois or Westies.)

The silly stuff about politics and history and religion is not only indicative of lads who must spend their lives on computer games or watching reality TV, but is a insult to the GAA in the north which was a prime target for murder and all other forms of abuse for generations.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2578 - 03/03/2022 12:23:45    2403610

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Are you reading or listening to ANYTHING people are posting about this? It's not so much the slagging/sledging that annoys many, verbals go on and always have. It's what is being thrown out. When players outside the North come out with "British/Unionist/Prods" **** they are sticking 2 fingers up to those Ulster Gaels who were murdered, attacked, maimed AND clubs that were pipe bombed, petrol bombed and had their pitches studded with glass. It's an insult to every GAA member who was threatened and pulled out of cars and buses at gunpoint by the British Army/UDR/ RUC and had the same guns stuck in their faces. It's nothing to do with not being able to handle verbal, have you just closed your eyes and ears on this?"
It's no worse than a lad being racially abused on the pitch or lads having things said about their recently deceased mother or father. There is no severity rating here. It's all bad, repulsive carry on. Years ago it was playful enough, about your appearance, your belly, where you were from etc. These days it's nasty and some counties more than others seem to have a systemic problem with this carry on.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/03/2022 12:58:26    2403617

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Are you reading or listening to ANYTHING people are posting about this? It's not so much the slagging/sledging that annoys many, verbals go on and always have. It's what is being thrown out. When players outside the North come out with "British/Unionist/Prods" **** they are sticking 2 fingers up to those Ulster Gaels who were murdered, attacked, maimed AND clubs that were pipe bombed, petrol bombed and had their pitches studded with glass. It's an insult to every GAA member who was threatened and pulled out of cars and buses at gunpoint by the British Army/UDR/ RUC and had the same guns stuck in their faces. It's nothing to do with not being able to handle verbal, have you just closed your eyes and ears on this?"
I wonder would people who thinks this type of name calling that cost lives and hardships be okay if modern day German friends and citizens were called nazis. If so it just says something more about the type of individual the world is producing. This behaviour from any players or counties in Ireland is cowardly and gutless with nothing to do with our games toughness or anything else. Trying to justify it or explain it away is no better than doing it.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 03/03/2022 15:23:28    2403664

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Replying To Joxer:  "It's no worse than a lad being racially abused on the pitch or lads having things said about their recently deceased mother or father. There is no severity rating here. It's all bad, repulsive carry on. Years ago it was playful enough, about your appearance, your belly, where you were from etc. These days it's nasty and some counties more than others seem to have a systemic problem with this carry on."
Where and in what game were things said about deceased members of family?

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2016 - 03/03/2022 15:44:46    2403669

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Where and in what game were things said about deceased members of family?"
Lol ! Good one !

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 03/03/2022 16:58:57    2403688

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "Lol ! Good one !"
Hear say works both ways, hear say for Waterford and Carlow players but Gospel when a Tyrone minor is involved. Not acceptable any abuse no matter who's involved.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2016 - 03/03/2022 18:49:59    2403699

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I think it is time for Admin "to take a stand" & close this thread down.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 03/03/2022 19:17:30    2403704

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The GAA is the worst sport now for sledging. Whether it's lads calling lads Proddies or West Brits, sledging is just a cowardly act. The GAA are turning a blind eye, as well as refs & nothing is being done about it, the disciplinary system is a mess. Managers are encouraging it as well, every score or wide or substitution is met with a physical challenge & lads roaring abuse or laughing in lads faces.
The GAA make a big deal about Respect, well there is none of it in GAA with the level of sledging.

I saw a young lad come off a field with the backs of his legs & ankles raked with studs, covered in bruises from pinches & covered in spit, along with constant abuse in his ear, all just to win a final. Complaints to the ref & chairman of the opposing club were laughed at. Young lad no longer bothers playing.

The sad thing about this post is that highlights what a divided nation we are, politically, socially, economically & sporting wise. If Putin invaded Ireland we wouldn't be like the Ukrainians with their national pride & willing to fight & die, we would have to have a civil war amongst ourselves first before we would fight back. Ireland has become a mess & we can see it in these posts & even at GAA level.

Anyone guilty of this cowardly sledging should be ashamed of themselves, a yellow act, they should get life bans, sportsmanship in GAA is dead. It can be seen on TV every w'end in the Inter County games. The GAA have no intention of taking action as it would be an admission of something been seriously wrong.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 03/03/2022 19:46:00    2403709

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Hear say works both ways, hear say for Waterford and Carlow players but Gospel when a Tyrone minor is involved. Not acceptable any abuse no matter who's involved."
Going by most Ulster posters here it's them who are working on hearsay.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 04/03/2022 08:10:36    2403727

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Replying To moc.dna:  "The GAA is the worst sport now for sledging. Whether it's lads calling lads Proddies or West Brits, sledging is just a cowardly act. The GAA are turning a blind eye, as well as refs & nothing is being done about it, the disciplinary system is a mess. Managers are encouraging it as well, every score or wide or substitution is met with a physical challenge & lads roaring abuse or laughing in lads faces.
The GAA make a big deal about Respect, well there is none of it in GAA with the level of sledging.

I saw a young lad come off a field with the backs of his legs & ankles raked with studs, covered in bruises from pinches & covered in spit, along with constant abuse in his ear, all just to win a final. Complaints to the ref & chairman of the opposing club were laughed at. Young lad no longer bothers playing.

The sad thing about this post is that highlights what a divided nation we are, politically, socially, economically & sporting wise. If Putin invaded Ireland we wouldn't be like the Ukrainians with their national pride & willing to fight & die, we would have to have a civil war amongst ourselves first before we would fight back. Ireland has become a mess & we can see it in these posts & even at GAA level.

Anyone guilty of this cowardly sledging should be ashamed of themselves, a yellow act, they should get life bans, sportsmanship in GAA is dead. It can be seen on TV every w'end in the Inter County games. The GAA have no intention of taking action as it would be an admission of something been seriously wrong."
I agree with you moc.dna, happened in a u14 game here where a lad got abuse about in asexual way towards his mother. Not acceptable in any county but i've yet to see a ref dealing with this on a field. Club football especially has lost all the craic, gone are the days where you had a bit of fun, now it's weights at 6 AM and trained to death. I'd love to know the ratio of game time to training time for club players. County i understand. As for the young fellow giving the abuse, it should be him not playing . GAA wasn't formed for win, win at all costs.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2016 - 04/03/2022 10:50:11    2403747

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