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The Irish News is today reporting that the Antrim hurlers were subjected to anti Northern, sectarian abuse and taunting from Waterford players in yesterday's game in Corrigan Park. What motivates fellas to do this? Is it just slagging/sledging in attempts to put players off or is there something more deeper and systemic in what's going on? Do other GAA players and counties not understand what many Gaels in Ulster faced over the past 50 years. We have had members murdered, clubhouses attacked, pitches studded with glass, pipe bombs attached to gates, non stop harassment and threats from the RUC, UDR and British Army etc. Do people not know the history of this island or do they just not care? It's time for Croke Park to issue a statement on what's going on. If this was happening to any other group there would be an outcry. Enough is Enough. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 28/02/2022 14:20:25 2402989 Link
completely agree - its been going on for years and nothing is been done about it. Absolute disgrace and anyone caught doing this should get a very heavy suspension The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/02/2022 15:03:54 2403007 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "The Irish News is today reporting that the Antrim hurlers were subjected to anti Northern, sectarian abuse and taunting from Waterford players in yesterday's game in Corrigan Park. What motivates fellas to do this? Is it just slagging/sledging in attempts to put players off or is there something more deeper and systemic in what's going on? Do other GAA players and counties not understand what many Gaels in Ulster faced over the past 50 years. We have had members murdered, clubhouses attacked, pitches studded with glass, pipe bombs attached to gates, non stop harassment and threats from the RUC, UDR and British Army etc. Do people not know the history of this island or do they just not care? It's time for Croke Park to issue a statement on what's going on. If this was happening to any other group there would be an outcry. Enough is Enough." What's your views on people from the North calling people from the South things like West Brit, Free Staters etc Or do you just pretend that doesn't happen? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 28/02/2022 15:13:08 2403011 Link
Seriously!! After all the palaver from the Carlow game? What sort of clowns are at this? A few of the Waterford players were giving it plenty against Dublin by all accounts. Usual gutter stuff, but this is not only abusive but totally ignorant. As I've said before, I've been going to Belfast and Ballycastle for games for over 40 years. There was always good relations between our two counties despite some pretty ferocious battles over that time. Often to see who would get promoted or relegated. I can genuinely not conceive that a Dublin player ever sunk to that level, or would do, or that it would be tolerated, and am certain that applies to most counties and players. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2577 - 28/02/2022 15:41:44 2403022 Link
Some tell tales around northern panels at the moment. Some of the stuff they have sledged down the years and get a bit of their own medicine and run crying to the media. sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1145 - 28/02/2022 15:46:31 2403024 Link
Replying To oneoff: "What's your views on people from the North calling people from the South things like West Brit, Free Staters etc Or do you just pretend that doesn't happen?" I knew right away that there would be total denial and deflection. It's far easier, and easier on the conscience, to indulge in "whataboutery" instead of addressing the issue. For the record I would condemn anything anyone who targets someone's identity, culture or geographical roots. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 28/02/2022 15:52:38 2403025 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: "Some tell tales around northern panels at the moment. Some of the stuff they have sledged down the years and get a bit of their own medicine and run crying to the media." Go and stand at the graves of Ulster Gaels who have been murdered because they were GAA members and say that. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 28/02/2022 15:54:09 2403027 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "completely agree - its been going on for years and nothing is been done about it. Absolute disgrace and anyone caught doing this should get a very heavy suspension" Very heavy suspension stop will yeah. Do you remember the Tyrone players slagging a Donegal player over his fathers recent death now that was an absolute disgrace. Residents in the six counties are technically Brits they live in a part of Britain, It is a different country than down south with a different government, Most have never lived in the republic. sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1145 - 28/02/2022 16:15:19 2403034 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: "Some tell tales around northern panels at the moment. Some of the stuff they have sledged down the years and get a bit of their own medicine and run crying to the media." Why are you assuming that it was panel members that "told tales" and "ran crying to the media"? It could have come from mentors, supporters or even members of the media themselves. I have in the past heard stories about some Northern football teams, and one club team in particular, dishing out stuff like "Free State b***ds" but I have yet to hear any similar complaints about Antrim hurlers, or indeed any hurlers from Northern Ireland. midlands (Westmeath)** - Posts: 545 - 28/02/2022 16:21:03 2403036 Link
If that sort of sectarian "sledging" is genuinely going on, then yes, it's time to take a stand. Just as it's time to take a stand against the sort of "sledging" that Northern teams have been guilty of for years, using those terms like "Free Staters", "West Brits", and "safe South". And also like it's time to take a stand against things like we saw from that club in Tyrone recently - erecting a memorial to three "fallen Gaels", who in reality were paramilitaries on active service at the times of their separate deaths. It's one of the fundamental rules of the Association: The Association is Anti-Sectarian, Anti-Racist and committed to the principles of inclusion and diversity at all levels. Any conduct by deed, word, or gesture of sectarian or racist nature or which is contrary to the principles of inclusion and diversity against a player, official, spectator or anyone else, in the course of activities organised by the Association, shall be deemed to have discredited the Association. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2251 - 28/02/2022 16:47:47 2403049 Link
Sadly OP, coming so soon after the sectarian abuse the Down hurler took from the Carlow player to me it seems 6 county teams are fair game in the minds of some idiots who represent their counties. Sledging is obviously a big part of the game but any gael on this island thinking it to be smart using sectarian language towards an opposing player obviously isn't the smartest cookie in the jar. I can imagine there would have been a lot of players in that Waterford team wouldn't be too happy with that players sectarian language. The GAA are advertising masters getting the message out about family, community, inclusion. They put a great shift in a number of years ago about racism which was long over due considering the horrific incidents that was reported all over the country. Like you say, it's long overdue they dealt with this issue in the same vigour. Ghost_of_Marcella (Antrim) - Posts: 2 - 28/02/2022 17:25:06 2403064 Link
If this is true it needs to be dealt with. Waterford need to take action and get rid of anyone who thinks they can do this and get away with it. I was delighted that Antrim played so well. What needs to stop also on the field of play is trying to get players sent off. That was what was going on with Austin Gleeson. However this is no excuse for any verbal insulting by Waterford players. Lets get it out in the open and find out who said what. IF there is another side to it lets have that out also. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 28/02/2022 17:51:35 2403078 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: "Very heavy suspension stop will yeah. Do you remember the Tyrone players slagging a Donegal player over his fathers recent death now that was an absolute disgrace. Residents in the six counties are technically Brits they live in a part of Britain, It is a different country than down south with a different government, Most have never lived in the republic." I wish people would get this bit right, We don't live in Britain. Britain is an island of its own. The 6 counties are part of the UK. For the record, GAA players and fans doing this stuff to antagonise each other is profoundly stupid, but I don't completely agree with ulsterman either regarding condemnation. I think certain cultures are fair game when it comes to being criticised and condemned. Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1550 - 28/02/2022 18:11:32 2403083 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I knew right away that there would be total denial and deflection. It's far easier, and easier on the conscience, to indulge in "whataboutery" instead of addressing the issue. For the record I would condemn anything anyone who targets someone's identity, culture or geographical roots." Where has anyone ever denied any of it happening? It's the likes of you and some other Ulster people who claim it only happens one way. For the record if a player from a team from the South was to say something similar happened to them you'd be the first one in with "whataboutery" oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 28/02/2022 18:16:28 2403084 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "If that sort of sectarian "sledging" is genuinely going on, then yes, it's time to take a stand. Just as it's time to take a stand against the sort of "sledging" that Northern teams have been guilty of for years, using those terms like "Free Staters", "West Brits", and "safe South". And also like it's time to take a stand against things like we saw from that club in Tyrone recently - erecting a memorial to three "fallen Gaels", who in reality were paramilitaries on active service at the times of their separate deaths. It's one of the fundamental rules of the Association: The Association is Anti-Sectarian, Anti-Racist and committed to the principles of inclusion and diversity at all levels. Any conduct by deed, word, or gesture of sectarian or racist nature or which is contrary to the principles of inclusion and diversity against a player, official, spectator or anyone else, in the course of activities organised by the Association, shall be deemed to have discredited the Association." How does Tyrone GAA commemorating GAA members killed in the conflict constitute sectarian or racist behaviour? Should clubs stop calling themselves after Pearse, Clarke, Kerins and O'Rahilly, Stack, Emmets? BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2577 - 28/02/2022 18:30:09 2403091 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: "Very heavy suspension stop will yeah. Do you remember the Tyrone players slagging a Donegal player over his fathers recent death now that was an absolute disgrace. Residents in the six counties are technically Brits they live in a part of Britain, It is a different country than down south with a different government, Most have never lived in the republic." Seriously ...... BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2577 - 28/02/2022 18:31:37 2403092 Link
As horrible as all this is what is the actual solution to the problem? Apart from educating people nothing will actually happen until teams walk off the pitch. Even at that you can educate people all you like but some people are just thick ignorant and no doubt will still stoop to that level unfortunately. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 28/02/2022 18:33:15 2403093 Link
If all this abuse is taking place on the field of play,surely it needs to be dealt with..what happens if a player takes it on himself to deal with it??maybe take the attitude that some soccer teams take and walk off the field??can a player or manager not report the incident to officials??also if it's going on,why not bring it up on Sunday game?they are discussing every thing else??no place for it in any sport.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2224 - 28/02/2022 18:33:46 2403094 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: "Very heavy suspension stop will yeah. Do you remember the Tyrone players slagging a Donegal player over his fathers recent death now that was an absolute disgrace. Residents in the six counties are technically Brits they live in a part of Britain, It is a different country than down south with a different government, Most have never lived in the republic." The 6 counties are as much Irish as Roscommon maybe more, don't see many gravestones for men from Roscommon doing their bit for Ireland after being sold out. If troubles were still going and the Waterford players were pulled out of their cars with a gun in their back they might change their minds. But naw, you lived in your wee safe bubble. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2016 - 28/02/2022 18:39:37 2403097 Link
Replying To Canuck: "If this is true it needs to be dealt with. Waterford need to take action and get rid of anyone who thinks they can do this and get away with it. I was delighted that Antrim played so well. What needs to stop also on the field of play is trying to get players sent off. That was what was going on with Austin Gleeson. However this is no excuse for any verbal insulting by Waterford players. Lets get it out in the open and find out who said what. IF there is another side to it lets have that out also." You want both sides now but accused me of implying the down manager was lying when it was the Carlow lads. Some hypocrite boy hurleronthestool (Carlow) - Posts: 5 - 28/02/2022 18:48:09 2403101 Link