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League and Championship are completely different. In the AI Semi Final you were 8 down at half time and lost by 11 against 14 men. Thats a proper beating and even watching the game it never looked like ye were in it. Maybe Limerick were just particularly awesome but as i said, until i see ye doing it on a really big day i won't be convinced. LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 15/03/2022 14:16:53 2405564 Link 0 |
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I knew you were going to say that. The league never matters when making certain points but is when making other ones. Did you forget we put quiet a beating on Galway and Tipp on the way but I guess that does not count like the league. However you choose to ignore that and go back to the Laois game whom I was delighted put it up to us. You also seem to forget that Limerick put a much more of a beating on Cork in the final. I know you are just offering an opinion but take the chip off your shoulder about Waterford and actually use factual points. All I have for Waterford is hopes knowing we have a good team but also realizing we will have to earn our results. Incidentally we have had many big days in spite of the biggest one alluding us. Good luck to Wexford also and I am sure ye are taking lots of positives about how ye are playing in this league.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 15/03/2022 15:35:24 2405581 Link 1 |
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To be fair 10 or 11 points isn't as big a beating as it used to be Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3155 - 15/03/2022 16:57:23 2405594 Link 0 |
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Well in fairness Larry, Cork were beat by Limerick by 16 points and took the only decent goal chance they got, which should have them them a platform to go at Limerick early in the game. Instead they were 16 points down by half time and the game was over. The fact is the past three games Limerick played Waterford Quaid has had to make several fine saves and the margin could have much closer if some of those shots had gone in. They also ran them to four points in the 2020 Munster Final on a day they could easily have beaten us. As regards your 14 man argument there was only about ten minutes left in the game when Vasey was sent off, so it hardly. He had only two points anyway- he got five against Tipp and five in 24 minutes against Cork. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 15/03/2022 17:17:57 2405600 Link 0 |
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Not really Canuck. League is league. Most of us around here are reserving judgement until at least the Galway game. Yes it's nice to be unbeaten in the League and it would be nice to get to a 1st League final since Moses was at school or actually win a League for the 1st time since God knows when, when I was 2 in fact, but I'd swap all those wins in the League this year for just getting a win against Galway in April.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 15/03/2022 18:05:14 2405611 Link 0 |
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Ok then answer your own question?? How are Waterford going to bridge an 11 point gap. If I can't see it.....show me? The starting six forwards were Fagan, Gleeson, Huthinson, Stephen Bennett, Shane Bennett, and Jack Prendergast. Mikey Kiely and Patrick Curran came on. And i have no chip on my shoulder i'm just being honest? I'd love to see Waterford win the All Ireland. LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 16/03/2022 09:23:02 2405638 Link 0 |
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The fact that all of them will be coming towards their peak will be a help, surely?!
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/03/2022 09:28:58 2405639 Link 1 |
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Ya it should but the Limerick team aren't exactly old. 100% possible they'll improve, but they'll need to. I'm just not buying the argument that their panel alone is what will win it which seems to be the commentary around them when the vast vast majority will be the same as the team that got beaten by 11 points last year. LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 16/03/2022 10:59:56 2405666 Link 0 |
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A lot can change in a yea - or even a week sometimes! There was a 13 point swing from 2009 to 2010 between Tipp and KK and a 12 point swing back from 2010 to 2011.... tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/03/2022 12:49:35 2405703 Link 0 |
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Waterford have ben beaten by one other team in the last two years Clare. Having resounding wins over Galway, Tipp and Kilkenny. You used the game against Laois to create the narrative you wanted to. I could use the other results to create my narrative but won't indulge in that stupidity. I would be the first to say as would many on here every year is different but also can be a continuation of progress or a regress. There are no guarantees one way or the other. Why are you harping on a 11 point gap ? Should Cork not bother lining out against Limerick. If we use past knowledge Limerick were well ahead of us and everyone else and we were well ahead of the rest but when the ball is thrown in the games this year no one will care about the past.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 16/03/2022 13:37:32 2405718 Link 0 |
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Of course we would all prefer to win an All-Ireland but I do not believe for a nano second that you think Wexford would be in a stronger position for the championship if they had not won a game yet in the league. It is more than nice I bet ye see it as a necessity.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 16/03/2022 13:41:52 2405719 Link 0 |
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He ignores that Kiely was under 20 last year. Hutchison was really only starting out on his inter county career. Pat Curran now seems to be after shaking off the injury bug. These forwards will have DeBurca sending them ball and young players like Daly and Montgomery are a year older with more experience. Stephen Bennett's and Gleeson's game have moved to another level. The support panel has got strong. Does not guarantee a thing but to suggest that Waterford can not improve is a bit stupid.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 16/03/2022 14:19:14 2405728 Link 0 |
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Are we expecting teams to go for it next weekend??im expecting s lot of changes for some teams,cork especially,they have gone with playing very strong teams,I'd expect some younger fellas will get their chance..the cats will blend ballyhale boys back in..I'd say limerick will go strong enough to..ive noticed a very bitter rivalry now with cork..I can see it boiling over on Easter Sunday..I think a lot of it is down to the way limerick set up the academey system and left cork behind in organizing under age..cork have come back but have huge ground to make up..ive said first match in championship will make or break the year for one of these counties..the loser is on back foot..also cork have the one game at home..I also think Wexford will make big inroads in this years championship due to players being able to enjoy the hurling under darragh Egan.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2380 - 16/03/2022 14:23:08 2405729 Link 0 |
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Kiely seems to be improving all the time. I hadnt heard of him before last year to be honest. Youre spot on with Hutchison - early on when he came back his touch wasnt good enough to match his pace - if that makes sense... I commented on here about that at the time. Now you will struggle to find any/many with a better touch. He's pretty much unmarkable now and like Mullane for much of his career he guarantees you 4 points from play day in day out. I'm a big admirer of Barry Nash but I'd like to see that match up this year. This Waterford team have a bit of freedom to hurl not too unlike the team of the 2000's. Cahill will always encourage the forward to head for goal and with Bennett and Hutchison in particuluar Waterford have real match winners. I feel in Tipp we havent the players to mark either of them.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/03/2022 14:54:16 2405734 Link 1 |
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I also think Wexford will be in mix big time for the All Ireland come they can come through what is a right tough Leinster campaign with Wexford, Kilkenny, Galway and Dublin all capable of beating eachother on any given day. If Rory O Connor keeps up this form and they get Lee Chin up to speed they will go close. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 812 - 16/03/2022 14:58:23 2405736 Link 1 |
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What match up would you like to see this year? Are you saying Dessie vs. Nash? Perhaps, I'm misreading your post or missing something, but Finn is the man to detail Hutchinson. I don't claim to be a hurling man, but I would even go with that.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2096 - 16/03/2022 15:19:40 2405744 Link 1 |
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Yes. Ive yet to see Limerick move their backs around to man mark. I agree Finn would be the obvious choice but I dont think I've ever seen him play in the left corner..
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/03/2022 16:45:45 2405758 Link 0 |
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I think another plus is Shaun O 'Brien. While O' Keeffe is probably the best goalie around his puck outs were about average. O'Brien's ratio of accuracy is higher and varies it intelligently. The goalie is now like the catcher in baseball and if not already, signs will be used. The ball is so long travelling if the target moves too soon he will draw attention. The option of Kiely as a target man for a change up gives options. The long ball is no good except someone can get it. It is truly guess work to know who will be successful and who will fail to make the cut.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 16/03/2022 17:38:59 2405774 Link 0 |
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Happy St. Patty's Day, probably belated at this stage, to y'all over there in the land o' me ancestors. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2096 - 19/03/2022 10:24:22 2405790 Link 1 |
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So will Offaly b at Limerick today and consign them to a Relegation playoff? skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 19/03/2022 11:45:30 2405802 Link 0 |