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Replying To Viking66:  "Can you say with any certainty who will win Leinster though?"
No to be blunt, very little between Wexford, Kilkenny, Galway and Dublin as things stand and Laois have proven the last 3 years they can be a sticky opponent on a given day, last 3 years they've beaten Dublin and pushed Clare and Waterford strong in championship.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 13/03/2022 18:32:45    2405223

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Replying To katser:  "Galway"
I suspected you would be able to say with certainty Katser!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 13/03/2022 18:56:24    2405232

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Replying To katser:  "Galway"
Is that what you see in your Galway crystal ball?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 13/03/2022 19:31:15    2405243

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "I think you are mistaking, as many people do, the extreme attitudes which anonymous keyboard warriors tend to have, with the views of ordinary people in the real world. Just because one or two posters who claim to be from a particular county (and who can say if they are actually from that county anyway) express online a dislike bordering on hatred for another county, does'nt mean that their opinions are in any way reflective of the opinions of the majority of GAA fans in the county they are claiming to be from. People who post on social media or internet forums are more prone to be a little unhinged as is quite evident sometimes in the things they will say."
Thanks PS- the voice of common sense, as usual. I have a good few life long friends from Galway and my other half is from Wexford, so I know full well that the views expressed by a few naysayers on here are not at all representative of the attitudes to Limerick recent successes of the vast majority of the sporting people of either county.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 13/03/2022 20:15:12    2405257

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PP odds are right for Limerick and Waterford. I'd have the remaining Munster teams and Galway, Wexford and KK all around 12/1. Dublin 25/1 and Laois and Westmeath 250/1 +. I'm not sure is its because Galway are favourites for Leinster or what but PP always has Galway at short odds. Waterford are most definitely well ahead of them and the rest of the pack. The only team that has the panel to beat Limerick is Waterford but they have yet to really push them when it matters so another All Ireland won at a canter is highly probable unfortunately.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/03/2022 08:31:47    2405296

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Replying To tiobraid:  "PP odds are right for Limerick and Waterford. I'd have the remaining Munster teams and Galway, Wexford and KK all around 12/1. Dublin 25/1 and Laois and Westmeath 250/1 +. I'm not sure is its because Galway are favourites for Leinster or what but PP always has Galway at short odds. Waterford are most definitely well ahead of them and the rest of the pack. The only team that has the panel to beat Limerick is Waterford but they have yet to really push them when it matters so another All Ireland won at a canter is highly probable unfortunately."
What is unfortunate about it- sure Kilkenny, Tipp and Cork have all won All Irelands in a canter in the past as both Dublin and Kerry have often done in football. As I often said about KK in their several primes and indeed Kerry in the seventies and eighties, why not enjoy seeing great teams in full flow. The likes of them do not around very often and and in Limericks case for most of hurlings' history we have had teams that were beaten year in year out and no doubt that will be the case again.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 14/03/2022 10:15:55    2405325

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "What is unfortunate about it- sure Kilkenny, Tipp and Cork have all won All Irelands in a canter in the past as both Dublin and Kerry have often done in football. As I often said about KK in their several primes and indeed Kerry in the seventies and eighties, why not enjoy seeing great teams in full flow. The likes of them do not around very often and and in Limericks case for most of hurlings' history we have had teams that were beaten year in year out and no doubt that will be the case again."
Well given I'm from another county in the Liam McCarthy you hardly think I'll be hoping one of the other teams will win it? Don't get your knickers in a twist!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/03/2022 13:38:21    2405386

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The challenge for the other counties in Munster they will have to play Limerick twice and maybe beat twice to win the All-Ireland. Wexford, Kilkenny, Galway or Dublin once will do it. Limerick are still a young hungry team and I for one is not naive to think they are not going to be good again. Too much talent and the know how to win now. Saying that it will be a struggle to get out of Munster for them the same as the rest. The Leinster teams should be rubbing their hand watching how the others play them in spite of the struggle within their province.
For my liking there is way too much talk about us that I don't like. It does not sit well. As we have won nothing only admiration and there are no silverware for that. We need to be able to sneak up. If we can't I'll be in the Limerick corner because they have come up the hard road to be a dynasty. Wexford are close to my heart also. However I warning you all watch out for those pesky Cats. They do not tolerate being on the outside looking in and probably have a chip on their shoulder because this is now too long. I can't but should put a few bob on them. That would be a kind of treachery.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 14/03/2022 19:30:59    2405459

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I think Wexford at 11/2 to win Leinster is very generous. We could beat or get beaten by KK, Galway or Dublin but we certainly won't fear them and I think the panel is on a good trajectory.
Thank god the days of going up in fear to play Kilkenny are gone and the way the draw is this year with Galway and Dublin at home I would fancy ourselves being in a Leinster Final.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 15/03/2022 09:02:24    2405480

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Replying To Canuck:  "The challenge for the other counties in Munster they will have to play Limerick twice and maybe beat twice to win the All-Ireland. Wexford, Kilkenny, Galway or Dublin once will do it. Limerick are still a young hungry team and I for one is not naive to think they are not going to be good again. Too much talent and the know how to win now. Saying that it will be a struggle to get out of Munster for them the same as the rest. The Leinster teams should be rubbing their hand watching how the others play them in spite of the struggle within their province.
For my liking there is way too much talk about us that I don't like. It does not sit well. As we have won nothing only admiration and there are no silverware for that. We need to be able to sneak up. If we can't I'll be in the Limerick corner because they have come up the hard road to be a dynasty. Wexford are close to my heart also. However I warning you all watch out for those pesky Cats. They do not tolerate being on the outside looking in and probably have a chip on their shoulder because this is now too long. I can't but should put a few bob on them. That would be a kind of treachery."
Would have great admiration for Waterford also.

I'd love to see ye win one but not at our expense obviously :)

I don't think any reasonable person could write limerick off.

They aren't as good as they were last year, but still good enough to beat most of us.

We in wexford know not to be taking Kilkenny for granted. Still suffering ptsd from the 10s to be honest.

All in all it should be a really exciting championship.

I personally love the round Robin, but one critique is we are bound to lose two very good teams so early.

If we can get off to a good start, and beat 2 of the big 3 we're in a final.

In 18 and 21 we were one bounce of a ball away. After that anything can happen.

My hope is to win leinster and pray somebody else takes limerick out.

Albiet we could just as easily lose on the opening day and be gone before it even starts.

Fine margins at this level.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/03/2022 09:45:05    2405484

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Replying To Canuck:  "The challenge for the other counties in Munster they will have to play Limerick twice and maybe beat twice to win the All-Ireland. Wexford, Kilkenny, Galway or Dublin once will do it. Limerick are still a young hungry team and I for one is not naive to think they are not going to be good again. Too much talent and the know how to win now. Saying that it will be a struggle to get out of Munster for them the same as the rest. The Leinster teams should be rubbing their hand watching how the others play them in spite of the struggle within their province.
For my liking there is way too much talk about us that I don't like. It does not sit well. As we have won nothing only admiration and there are no silverware for that. We need to be able to sneak up. If we can't I'll be in the Limerick corner because they have come up the hard road to be a dynasty. Wexford are close to my heart also. However I warning you all watch out for those pesky Cats. They do not tolerate being on the outside looking in and probably have a chip on their shoulder because this is now too long. I can't but should put a few bob on them. That would be a kind of treachery."
I'm afraid Waterford arent going to just sneak up! They've been quite consistent the last couple of years and have put in a few really top performances. They may not have the marquee players of the past but Cahill has the whole panel playing as a poper team and I think had he not made some errors like moving Callum Lyons in big games the last few years they would have been even closer.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 15/03/2022 10:11:56    2405487

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Replying To Canuck:  "The challenge for the other counties in Munster they will have to play Limerick twice and maybe beat twice to win the All-Ireland. Wexford, Kilkenny, Galway or Dublin once will do it. Limerick are still a young hungry team and I for one is not naive to think they are not going to be good again. Too much talent and the know how to win now. Saying that it will be a struggle to get out of Munster for them the same as the rest. The Leinster teams should be rubbing their hand watching how the others play them in spite of the struggle within their province.
For my liking there is way too much talk about us that I don't like. It does not sit well. As we have won nothing only admiration and there are no silverware for that. We need to be able to sneak up. If we can't I'll be in the Limerick corner because they have come up the hard road to be a dynasty. Wexford are close to my heart also. However I warning you all watch out for those pesky Cats. They do not tolerate being on the outside looking in and probably have a chip on their shoulder because this is now too long. I can't but should put a few bob on them. That would be a kind of treachery."
Lol! Yes Kilkenny are never far away......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 15/03/2022 10:12:46    2405488

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "I think Wexford at 11/2 to win Leinster is very generous. We could beat or get beaten by KK, Galway or Dublin but we certainly won't fear them and I think the panel is on a good trajectory.
Thank god the days of going up in fear to play Kilkenny are gone and the way the draw is this year with Galway and Dublin at home I would fancy ourselves being in a Leinster Final."
I'd be hopeful too. But no more than hopeful.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 15/03/2022 10:13:52    2405489

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "I think Wexford at 11/2 to win Leinster is very generous. We could beat or get beaten by KK, Galway or Dublin but we certainly won't fear them and I think the panel is on a good trajectory.
Thank god the days of going up in fear to play Kilkenny are gone and the way the draw is this year with Galway and Dublin at home I would fancy ourselves being in a Leinster Final."
I think Dublin is the bet for me to lift the cup

CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 487 - 15/03/2022 10:20:13    2405491

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'm afraid Waterford arent going to just sneak up! They've been quite consistent the last couple of years and have put in a few really top performances. They may not have the marquee players of the past but Cahill has the whole panel playing as a poper team and I think had he not made some errors like moving Callum Lyons in big games the last few years they would have been even closer."
Still not convinced on Waterford. I know Tadgh De Burca is back but in their last two matches in Championship last year they barely snuck over Laois and got destroyed by Limerick.

Until they beat Limerick or win a cup I won't be 100% convinced

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 15/03/2022 11:15:08    2405508

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Still not convinced on Waterford. I know Tadgh De Burca is back but in their last two matches in Championship last year they barely snuck over Laois and got destroyed by Limerick.

Until they beat Limerick or win a cup I won't be 100% convinced"
They beat Galway and Tipp last year too, there worthy 2nd favorites in my view, it is their 1st round robin munster championship until Cahill alright which adds something extra, as someone pointed out to me last week another element of Cork/Limerick on Easter Sunday is that its Cork's only home game with them and Clare in Thurles due to the Ed Sheeran concerts.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/03/2022 12:38:55    2405527

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Would have great admiration for Waterford also.

I'd love to see ye win one but not at our expense obviously :)

I don't think any reasonable person could write limerick off.

They aren't as good as they were last year, but still good enough to beat most of us.

We in wexford know not to be taking Kilkenny for granted. Still suffering ptsd from the 10s to be honest.

All in all it should be a really exciting championship.

I personally love the round Robin, but one critique is we are bound to lose two very good teams so early.

If we can get off to a good start, and beat 2 of the big 3 we're in a final.

In 18 and 21 we were one bounce of a ball away. After that anything can happen.

My hope is to win leinster and pray somebody else takes limerick out.

Albiet we could just as easily lose on the opening day and be gone before it even starts.

Fine margins at this level."
We wont be gone if we lose the opening day. We can win in Nowlan Park.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 15/03/2022 12:39:45    2405528

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Still not convinced on Waterford. I know Tadgh De Burca is back but in their last two matches in Championship last year they barely snuck over Laois and got destroyed by Limerick.

Until they beat Limerick or win a cup I won't be 100% convinced"
Like us and Galway except 2017 they have a historical flakiness about them. I still think they have become more consistent under Cahill. If they hadnt of been missing so many players injured early in the championship last year and hadnt had to go thru the whole backdoor series I think they would've been fresher against Limerick and would've made more of a game of it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11842 - 15/03/2022 12:43:08    2405529

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Still not convinced on Waterford. I know Tadgh De Burca is back but in their last two matches in Championship last year they barely snuck over Laois and got destroyed by Limerick.

Until they beat Limerick or win a cup I won't be 100% convinced"
Destroyed by Limerick. I think you have the wrong game. That happened in the final. Margins can be greater in the game now and that does not mean you were destroyed. This year in the league we only scraped by Antrim but beat Tipp by 10 points with a reduced team selection. Were Tipp destroyed ? I don't think so. Did anyone else do that ? Beat Laois by 30 points. Did anyone else do that ? Does that make us world beaters ? Not in my opinion either. So don't draw too much inference on who is capable or not by the score. The think that matters is did you win.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/03/2022 13:20:04    2405541

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'm afraid Waterford arent going to just sneak up! They've been quite consistent the last couple of years and have put in a few really top performances. They may not have the marquee players of the past but Cahill has the whole panel playing as a poper team and I think had he not made some errors like moving Callum Lyons in big games the last few years they would have been even closer."
That is true also. Since 1992 under 21 win we have been consistently among the top teams. Appeared in three All-Ireland though unsuccessful and probably should have been in two others. That is the longest period in our history to be a force. I have always said you need to be competitive under age and we have. Not necessarily winning all the time but one every so often. I think actually winning them all the time can be confusing to who to bring up. We have got Kiely, Montgomery and the two Daly brothers from the teams after 2016 and they are a few players from last year we will be hearing a lot about in the future, I believe we are now built to stay around the top. The only question is can we get over the line.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/03/2022 13:32:37    2405552

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