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Corey has given game time to 29 players during the league. Which is most they have used in any of the previous league campaigns in division one. The following players have been given league debuts.
McPhillips,
O'Toole,
Slevin,
Wilson,
Gallagher,
Irwin,
F.Hughes,
Traenor,
McElearney,
Loughran.
Conor Leonard would also have made a league debut if he wasn't injured.
So only 19 players were there from previous seasons have played in the league.
Take into consideration senior players like Darren Hughes, Kieran Hughes Kelly,McManus,McCarron, Boyle,Wylie & Mohan have missed games during the league.
Woods,McAnespie and Kearns absent for one reason or another Its a miracle we still have a chance of staying up going into the last game.
This is the toughest job any Monaghan manger has faced in a long time.
shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 20/03/2023 18:45:42
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As others have said between retirements and players opting out we haven't the same pick as other years but I still think we have a talented bunch of players. As it happens teams are in transition and that's us, our position is understandable but we left 4 points behind us with the Armagh and Galway games. We are good enough for division 1, the top of it? Honestly no. If division 2 is our next destination then so be it. Great teams bounce back and make the most of it.
We have too talented off a squad to go out and play the way we did on Sunday and have done all season. 1 point from play is no surprise to me, its quite boring to watch to be honest, watching us handpass it around just to eventually go forward to just kick it back out to midfield. Derry, Armagh & as we seen on Sunday Tyrone play this style too except they play a great running game. With lads willing to take shots on and from distance. Only Kieran Duffy succeeded in that on Sunday. It opened up more and was more free flowing when Manzy came on and we went for it.
Can't see a team like Mayo under new management ever wanting to take a game handy so I don't think they'll change too much up this weekend but if we're to survive again on the final day we're gonna have to change our attacking approach. We really don't ever look like scoring a goal which is worrying now that we're coming up to the championship.
MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 20/03/2023 18:54:17
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It looks like it's all doom and gloom again.. before the championship even begins...!! People want players blooded, well there was players blooded yesterday, and new players need time on the pitch to show their true worth.... Sean Cavanaugh possibly the most banal and biased pundit on RTE says that Tyrone are back.. and it was a typical Tyrone V Monaghan match yesterday.. all the diving and false hitting you would expect from Tyrone and about as weak a refereeing as could be possible.. The Monaghan players should have got a lot of preparation out of the game yesterday for the championship.. They should know what to expect in 4 weeks. We could really do with Boyle and Mohan back for that game to give us a bit of height and weight... If we play like that in Omagh it will be the end of the season for sure but we still have 4 weeks.. as for staying in Division One.. it could still happen.. There is still a chance.. so lets support the team like they deserve..
Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 801 - 20/03/2023 20:02:12
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Replying To everytomdick&harry: "Monaghan football is in a severe period of decline. No harm to the young fellas who played yesterday, but they are not Division 1 players. We had two young junior club players who were severely out of their depth and other players starting that are not at the standard required for Division 1 football. And other players playing on reputation, becoming a liability to the squad.
The atmosphere in Clones was flat, Monaghan were ill-disciplined, too slow transitioning into attack, it was a game Monaghan never ever looked like winning. Did I read one point was scored from play? Too slight, too small, just take a look at the Canavan lads and see the player that can be produced when "vertically challenged".
I would be taking a serious look at the development structure within the county, we are not producing the players that we need to be producing. We have had "Development Squads" for almost 20 years now, some players have come through, played an Inter-County career & retired, but we are not seeing any level of consistency, but not only that, there's no bite or hunger from players now.
Are we not getting players to play for the county? Are we missing players through injury? Lennon, Boyle, Wylie, Loughran, Mohan - O'Hanlon didn't start?
Maybe when all is said & done, we'll all take a sit back and realise Banty's worth to the county." Your "Development Squads" , as you put it, have handed the county their first ever back to back ulster minor titles, with both teams going out to eventual AI Champions. The work going in from 14-Minors is outstanding and if you've went to any of the games at these levels you'd have seen that. We are developing a brilliant standard of player and our Co Minors are constantly being praised for their level of conditioning over the past number of years.
It's what happens after Co Minors is the problem. Take a look at how these Ulster winning teams perform at u20s. I'd question the county boards investment into this age category and we've had some very questionable "set ups" around it. The main issue within the county, our club structures, faculties are sub standard and the level of coaching is farcical.
Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 21/03/2023 09:06:52
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Replying To MonaghanGlory: "As others have said between retirements and players opting out we haven't the same pick as other years but I still think we have a talented bunch of players. As it happens teams are in transition and that's us, our position is understandable but we left 4 points behind us with the Armagh and Galway games. We are good enough for division 1, the top of it? Honestly no. If division 2 is our next destination then so be it. Great teams bounce back and make the most of it.
We have too talented off a squad to go out and play the way we did on Sunday and have done all season. 1 point from play is no surprise to me, its quite boring to watch to be honest, watching us handpass it around just to eventually go forward to just kick it back out to midfield. Derry, Armagh & as we seen on Sunday Tyrone play this style too except they play a great running game. With lads willing to take shots on and from distance. Only Kieran Duffy succeeded in that on Sunday. It opened up more and was more free flowing when Manzy came on and we went for it.
Can't see a team like Mayo under new management ever wanting to take a game handy so I don't think they'll change too much up this weekend but if we're to survive again on the final day we're gonna have to change our attacking approach. We really don't ever look like scoring a goal which is worrying now that we're coming up to the championship." Going down to div 2 would not be the end of the world. We are struggling this last few years to stay in div 1.
We should be now concentrating on trying to win Ulster. We have a shout of winning Ulster but it is an outside chance. Ulster is the only real silverwaer we can will this year. History judges teams on medals not beating say a Dublin team to avoid relegation.
Monaghan for Sam 2028
Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 595 - 21/03/2023 10:23:33
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Replying To Blueblood4life: "Your "Development Squads" , as you put it, have handed the county their first ever back to back ulster minor titles, with both teams going out to eventual AI Champions. The work going in from 14-Minors is outstanding and if you've went to any of the games at these levels you'd have seen that. We are developing a brilliant standard of player and our Co Minors are constantly being praised for their level of conditioning over the past number of years.
It's what happens after Co Minors is the problem. Take a look at how these Ulster winning teams perform at u20s. I'd question the county boards investment into this age category and we've had some very questionable "set ups" around it. The main issue within the county, our club structures, faculties are sub standard and the level of coaching is farcical." The development squads need expanding to include more underage players. To pick a group of 14 year olds and hold them up as the future of Monaghan footballers is ludicrous. Lads grow and develop at different rates and in the space of a year the all star full forward at u14 can become the slow awkward lad at u15 when his peers catch up around him. The lads that don't make these 'elite squads' are more likely to focus their efforts on soccer, rugby or just not bother their hole with sports after being told they're not good enough.
As for our minor titles, Monaghan moved to u17 a year before everyone else in ulster and as such had a headstart at this category..
As for facilities I don't think that should be a big factor in this discussion. Monaghan have access to some Greta setups whereas some of the best teams in the country have very little facilities to work with and still produce monsterous talent - cross, killcar, fossa etc. In fact Kerry clubs must look at the facilities in the likes of Monaghan and Tyrone and wonder what planet were on. Even ballybay and Clontibret have only recently caught up with the likes of Truagh who've won nothing despite the good work around the grounds over the last 15/20 years.
You're right about one thing though, the coaching in Monaghans youth ranks in club and county has been poor over the last while..too many daddies getting involved to get jerseys for their cubs who'll never be fit for county ball. Scotstown are the only club I see doing it right: senior players and designated underage coaches are coaching the underage ranks and NO PARENTS INVOLVED. Hard to beat nepotism for ruining a good young player.
Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 144 - 21/03/2023 12:19:57
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Replying To Jjoniel79: "The development squads need expanding to include more underage players. To pick a group of 14 year olds and hold them up as the future of Monaghan footballers is ludicrous. Lads grow and develop at different rates and in the space of a year the all star full forward at u14 can become the slow awkward lad at u15 when his peers catch up around him. The lads that don't make these 'elite squads' are more likely to focus their efforts on soccer, rugby or just not bother their hole with sports after being told they're not good enough.
As for our minor titles, Monaghan moved to u17 a year before everyone else in ulster and as such had a headstart at this category..
As for facilities I don't think that should be a big factor in this discussion. Monaghan have access to some Greta setups whereas some of the best teams in the country have very little facilities to work with and still produce monsterous talent - cross, killcar, fossa etc. In fact Kerry clubs must look at the facilities in the likes of Monaghan and Tyrone and wonder what planet were on. Even ballybay and Clontibret have only recently caught up with the likes of Truagh who've won nothing despite the good work around the grounds over the last 15/20 years.
You're right about one thing though, the coaching in Monaghans youth ranks in club and county has been poor over the last while..too many daddies getting involved to get jerseys for their cubs who'll never be fit for county ball. Scotstown are the only club I see doing it right: senior players and designated underage coaches are coaching the underage ranks and NO PARENTS INVOLVED. Hard to beat nepotism for ruining a good young player." U20 game called off due to unplayable pitch. Not sure why that call could not have been made earlier in the day and prevent a lot of people travelling.
TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 194 - 22/03/2023 20:00:55
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Replying To Farney2022: "Can you not see that Gary Mohan and Boyle weren't togged out and that Stephen ohanlon clearly isn't starting because he was carrying a knock?" If our top players like Wylie, Boyle, Mohan & O'Hanlon are not playing it's because they're not fit.......idiotic to believe otherwise !
Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 350 - 23/03/2023 12:37:09
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Replying To shaggylegend: "Corey has given game time to 29 players during the league. Which is most they have used in any of the previous league campaigns in division one. The following players have been given league debuts.
McPhillips,
O'Toole,
Slevin,
Wilson,
Gallagher,
Irwin,
F.Hughes,
Traenor,
McElearney,
Loughran.
Conor Leonard would also have made a league debut if he wasn't injured.
So only 19 players were there from previous seasons have played in the league.
Take into consideration senior players like Darren Hughes, Kieran Hughes Kelly,McManus,McCarron, Boyle,Wylie & Mohan have missed games during the league.
Woods,McAnespie and Kearns absent for one reason or another Its a miracle we still have a chance of staying up going into the last game.
This is the toughest job any Monaghan manger has faced in a long time." Fully agree....common sense !
Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 350 - 23/03/2023 12:38:52
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Replying To TearsIn85: "U20 game called off due to unplayable pitch. Not sure why that call could not have been made earlier in the day and prevent a lot of people travelling." I agree - very late , match should have been in Inniskeen - but sure we all know that and we all suffer from the fall out
cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1673 - 23/03/2023 13:19:21
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Inniskeen is a little more out of the way that Blayney but for their facilities alone it is worth the extra spin, never mind giving the 30 players playing a top notch playing surface as well as good changing rooms, lighted training pitches etc. Have been to Blayney a few times and saw teams warm up in the dark on the small field.
County Board seem to spoil Blayney whatever the love for them is?? They get a lot of double headers and big county games too. There is a lack of parking, brutal atmosphere and an accident waiting to happen on that main road. So many times I have saw near misses on it. Too dangerous for hundred/thousands (game depending) of spectators/kids/elderly walking out onto it after a game. Much better facilities around to accommodate everyone.
Regarding the late cancelation, it was a disgrace. Families had traveled from god knows where. Far side of Armagh, bottom end of Monaghan and then to be told 10 minutes before kick off that it was not going to be played. Very inconsiderate. How does compensation work for ticket sales here??
Blayney does not take rain well at all whatever the problem there is. Although I can't imagine many pitches being perfect after the week we have had.
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Replying To countymonaghan: "Inniskeen is a little more out of the way that Blayney but for their facilities alone it is worth the extra spin, never mind giving the 30 players playing a top notch playing surface as well as good changing rooms, lighted training pitches etc. Have been to Blayney a few times and saw teams warm up in the dark on the small field.
County Board seem to spoil Blayney whatever the love for them is?? They get a lot of double headers and big county games too. There is a lack of parking, brutal atmosphere and an accident waiting to happen on that main road. So many times I have saw near misses on it. Too dangerous for hundred/thousands (game depending) of spectators/kids/elderly walking out onto it after a game. Much better facilities around to accommodate everyone.
Regarding the late cancelation, it was a disgrace. Families had traveled from god knows where. Far side of Armagh, bottom end of Monaghan and then to be told 10 minutes before kick off that it was not going to be played. Very inconsiderate. How does compensation work for ticket sales here??
Blayney does not take rain well at all whatever the problem there is. Although I can't imagine many pitches being perfect after the week we have had." There was torrential rain 40 mins before throw in, it was scandalous rain, what you expect ref to do ? I
monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 378 - 23/03/2023 15:38:27
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Replying To monaghanmad: "There was torrential rain 40 mins before throw in, it was scandalous rain, what you expect ref to do ? I" Apparently the pitch was in a bad state earlier in the day, and for several days before. Did we all have to wait for the ref to show up to make the call? That was torrential rain though.
TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 194 - 23/03/2023 20:02:14
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Replying To TearsIn85: "Apparently the pitch was in a bad state earlier in the day, and for several days before. Did we all have to wait for the ref to show up to make the call? That was torrential rain though." The referee passed it fit for play at 6PM as per Armagh Gaa twitter account. There was absolutely torrential rain after that, I'm not sure many pitches would have coped.
TheGreatRambo (Monaghan) - Posts: 79 - 24/03/2023 10:10:49
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At the match in castlebar there and listening to Dessie Moen there on the radio. Great coverage there by Dessie. We should win and hope and armagh are beaten there
Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 595 - 26/03/2023 14:15:20
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Well blueblood, what do you make of that?
Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 144 - 26/03/2023 15:28:46
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Into our 9th year in div 1 good going and fair play to the squad
prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 26/03/2023 15:38:32
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And we survived
Pet (Monaghan) - Posts: 24 - 26/03/2023 15:40:34
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Replying To prideof85: "Into our 9th year in div 1 good going and fair play to the squad" going well? what has that 9 years struggling in D1 achieved?
DCFCGAA (Derry) - Posts: 65 - 26/03/2023 15:48:27
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Replying To Pet: "And we survived" Well done all !
stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 213 - 26/03/2023 15:50:31
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