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Donaghmoyne and Magheracloone with similar sizes and populations, look how little they won proves how grateful we should be to have a club like scotstown in our county

Edd,South(EU) (Monaghan) - Posts: 60 - 19/09/2024 09:40:24    2570675

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It certainly will be interesting in 10 years to see what state junior football is in. Its well known toome, blackhill, rockcorry and currin are being held together by a few families with basically no juvenile teams. All the more remarkable when you consider what blackhill have achieved with little or no catchment area. Junior football is scrappy, the final last year and in 2022 was poor and thats being kind. The new format now gives teams a chance to survive in intermiedate, tyholland an example this year. The old format was more cut throat as the eighteen league games either made you or broke your panel depth.

222 (UK) - Posts: 812 - 19/09/2024 10:02:02    2570686

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Replying To latefortraining:  "absolute nonsense about tech schools.
here the all-ireland minor team beaten by derry in 2023.
The Sem, Our Lady's Castleblayey and Patrican Carrick are the schools providing the players.

Monaghan: J Mooney; D Connolly (0-01), C Greenan, C Meehan; A Stuart, T Mallen, J Lynch; M Carolan, S O'Connell; C Jones, M McGinnity (0-03, 3f), S Og McElwain (0-01); T Quinn, M Finn (0-04, 1f), L McKenna.

Subs: C Clerkin for Lynch (16), C Murphy for O'Connell (40), E McCaffrey for Stuart (49), M Maguire for Jones (49), J McCaughey for McGinnity (61).

The main secondary schools in Monaghan are playing 3 grades above Ballybay Tech, Beechill, Inver , Largy and Ard Scoil Lorgan.
McLaron and MacRory cup football is where its at.
Ballybay won a tier 4 competition in 2020 , Aron Mulligan carried them ."
The old VEC intercounty format was good to monaghan football, paul finlay, colin walshe to name a few came through the ranks there. Most good young footballers would go to big school now to play a decent standard.

222 (UK) - Posts: 812 - 19/09/2024 10:04:34    2570687

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Replying To farneygossip:  "What's the rumours to ruining players confidence?"
Teachers putting messages into WhatsApp groups with players by accident with the names of lads 'not for consideration' was the latest.

Previously one genius manager decided not to play any of his 6th year students in the McRory cup in order to develop the 5th years.. unsurprisingly this didn't go well and both year groups were unhappy. Then the next year the supposedly developed 6th years got annihilate so the whole episode was for naught.

As a program the sems development system has been in bad shape for a long time as evidence by their lack of success. Seems that beech hill and the Irish school is where it's at for young north Monaghan footballers now.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 181 - 19/09/2024 10:14:58    2570691

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Replying To 222:  "It certainly will be interesting in 10 years to see what state junior football is in. Its well known toome, blackhill, rockcorry and currin are being held together by a few families with basically no juvenile teams. All the more remarkable when you consider what blackhill have achieved with little or no catchment area. Junior football is scrappy, the final last year and in 2022 was poor and thats being kind. The new format now gives teams a chance to survive in intermiedate, tyholland an example this year. The old format was more cut throat as the eighteen league games either made you or broke your panel depth."
A very ignorant post. Commenting on juvenile football without having a clue about it. I can only speak for Currin and Rock. Both clubs' juvenile teams are in rude health.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 406 - 19/09/2024 10:34:26    2570697

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Replying To Edd,South(EU):  "Donaghmoyne and Magheracloone with similar sizes and populations, look how little they won proves how grateful we should be to have a club like scotstown in our county"
do they have 4 senior teams?

Snliage1234 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 19/09/2024 11:16:12    2570706

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "A very ignorant post. Commenting on juvenile football without having a clue about it. I can only speak for Currin and Rock. Both clubs' juvenile teams are in rude health."
I see currin are in a division 2 final this weekend and rock where in an under 16 and won and under 18 are they really in rude health.? They would not be in as bad as a place as most other small clubs in Monaghan regarding juveniles coming through.

Wambamalam (Monaghan) - Posts: 17 - 19/09/2024 11:23:43    2570709

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Replying To Wambamalam:  "I see currin are in a division 2 final this weekend and rock where in an under 16 and won and under 18 are they really in rude health.? They would not be in as bad as a place as most other small clubs in Monaghan regarding juveniles coming through."
do currin have any juvenile teams that arent joined with another club?

ScarnaMan1990 (Monaghan) - Posts: 32 - 19/09/2024 11:44:31    2570719

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Replying To ScarnaMan1990:  "do currin have any juvenile teams that arent joined with another club?"
Final this weekend on their own.

Wambamalam (Monaghan) - Posts: 17 - 19/09/2024 12:25:03    2570729

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Replying To latefortraining:  "Latton's third team beat oram in the McKeown cup final at the end of July, Lattons only senior player was Cian Mulligan in goals, Oram had 7 or 8 that have played championship this years, where's the squad depth ???.
they have a panel 20 players , I remember a few years back Seans played Blackhill in a junior final in Drumhowan with 45 men togged. Blackhill beat them."
Dont know how u have come to the conclusion that oram only have a 20 man pannel.

Monaghan_football (Monaghan) - Posts: 33 - 19/09/2024 13:05:35    2570735

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "A very ignorant post. Commenting on juvenile football without having a clue about it. I can only speak for Currin and Rock. Both clubs' juvenile teams are in rude health."
He's spot on about Blackhill and Toome. I think you'll have teams like Blackhill, Drumhowan, Doohamlet and Toome combining adult teams in a few years. Its a few families in both Blackhill and Toome that keep the thing going. As a previous poster said, its all about new housing developments and there are none in Ballybay, Doohamlet or Drumhowan areas.

MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 216 - 19/09/2024 13:15:39    2570740

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Replying To Snliage1234:  "do they have 4 senior teams?"
The drop off would be high comparable to scotstown. Magheracloone, Donaghmoyne and Monaghan harps would all have similar numbers from u6-u16 but scotstown have good retention rates based on their splitting of teams based on age and not ability to give all players football and in result keep more lads playing football for longer. Few teams this year have 2 minor teams so a lot of it comes down to keeping their players playing longer and not trying to win every underage competition.. I would imagine if you check the last 15 years of u12,14 and 16 div 1 winners the roll of honour would be Donaghmoyne, magheracloone Blayney… equal playing numbers as scotstown but unable to retain the players as focus on winning

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 684 - 19/09/2024 14:21:59    2570760

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "A very ignorant post. Commenting on juvenile football without having a clue about it. I can only speak for Currin and Rock. Both clubs' juvenile teams are in rude health."
Rude health is a bit extreme, currin have a good crop at u12 and u14 but are joined with clones at U16 & U18 and only have about 4 starters on each team..rockcorrys u12 & u14s are terrible, they have a good u16 & u18 team but big cross over of players on both u16 & 18 teams…toome & blackhill have nothing of note at juvenile level so lot of clubs are facing big challenges down the road….

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 19/09/2024 14:51:45    2570774

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Replying To Snliage1234:  "do they have 4 senior teams?"
No but scotstown have 5 senior teams……dealing with crazy numbers…a runaway train that won't be stopped anytime soon…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 19/09/2024 14:53:20    2570775

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Replying To Monaghan_football:  "Dont know how u have come to the conclusion that oram only have a 20 man pannel."
Orams trainer quit at the start of the year as he couldn't get lads training and numbers were low… delusional to think oram have anything outside of a 22/23 man squad….hence why their B team had a fair sprinkling of senior players playing on it…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 554 - 19/09/2024 14:56:12    2570777

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Replying To Farney2022:  "waiting until corduff finished up to announce banty and gallagher."
Big announcement coming, possibly tonight.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 406 - 19/09/2024 15:11:25    2570782

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Replying To veterngaa:  "The drop off would be high comparable to scotstown. Magheracloone, Donaghmoyne and Monaghan harps would all have similar numbers from u6-u16 but scotstown have good retention rates based on their splitting of teams based on age and not ability to give all players football and in result keep more lads playing football for longer. Few teams this year have 2 minor teams so a lot of it comes down to keeping their players playing longer and not trying to win every underage competition.. I would imagine if you check the last 15 years of u12,14 and 16 div 1 winners the roll of honour would be Donaghmoyne, magheracloone Blayney… equal playing numbers as scotstown but unable to retain the players as focus on winning"
in terms of the u6 -u16 ages most clubs that i know of base their teams on age if there is multiple and not by the quality of the players and the reason i imagine most teams don't have 2 minor teams this year is probably based off the birth rates and not that everyone has quit. Highly doubt scotstown aren't trying to win these competitions and just focus on development, truth is the other teams probably just have better quality underage teams/ development.

Deadballmerchant (Monaghan) - Posts: 9 - 19/09/2024 15:18:48    2570785

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Maybe a little harsh on my previous post but just an example of 4 clubs who have had underage difficulties in recent times. I would agree with a previous poster that in time clubs like that could struggle on numbers and joining up may be the solution.
Anyway small ball weekend in the county, Inniskeen for back to back? Remarkable that Inniskeen are fielding almost two different teams in both codes at senior. Blayney will be hoping to win it back. A good discussion has broken out on junior fotoball but hurling also needs a serious review. Defo should be a club in the north West of county.

222 (UK) - Posts: 812 - 19/09/2024 15:27:01    2570789

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "Big announcement coming, possibly tonight."
Who is the new manager?

Edd,South(EU) (Monaghan) - Posts: 60 - 19/09/2024 15:30:42    2570791

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "Big announcement coming, possibly tonight."
Save us from all harm…
Is there anything to be said for another mass Ted?

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 455 - 19/09/2024 16:19:03    2570803

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