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Replying To sporto: "Corduff infamously did it, must be 6/7 years ago" Truagh tried it, but a group within the club pushed against it and undermined it from the get go. The same people have been chasing young lads outside their circle away from the club for years. Their policies fairly came home to roost the year mind…
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Replying To Bogmen: "Hasn't been much talk about killanny after their championship win. One of the biggest achievements to date." Great win by Killanny in county final but came up short in Ulster despite great effort. Well done to them.. They had no piper or champagne on ice to welcome them home after county win.. Carrick had..!!
I believe both clubs are looking for new managers should be interesting close season...
barroboys (Louth) - Posts: 101 - 15/11/2023 13:37:07
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Replying To HB245: "Most Scotstown men I've talked to hold their hands up with some embarrassment over the whole situation! Of course they're delighted to be winning championships and cheer Jack on, that's only natural, but the seem to fully understand why everyone has a problem with it. Veterngaa is giving the rest of them a bad name!
Reality is, with Scotstown being one HUGE rural area, with the biggest population and the fact that they play zero hurling in the club, guarantees that they'll be winning championships for the next 30+ years and long after… so we may get used to it!
Gaelic football at club level is now, and going forward, going to be dominated by whoever has the biggest pick, barring a few outliers. It's not the same as how it used to be, clubs have better structures and are able to keep players playing. That's why the only teams that have a chance of truly overhauling Scotstown are Carrick, Castleblayney and Harps if they can ever sort themselves out. Can only imagine how dour the club scene would have been for the last 10 years had Clontibret not produced the greatest Monaghan player of all time. Scotstown would have done 10 in a row." Who are these most men? Stop talking waffle…
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Replying To veterngaa: "Who are these most men? Stop talking waffle…" That truly great scotstown team of the 80's that was admired by everyone the length and breath of the country never had to pull in outsiders for provincial success.. if you think the site of a currin & Donegal man starting the county final and taking the place of 2 home grown scotstown players who have come through the nursery set up years ago has sat well with every scotstown person your more deluded than I thought…..thick and lamp post springs to mind…..
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Replying To mick2007: "That truly great scotstown team of the 80's that was admired by everyone the length and breath of the country never had to pull in outsiders for provincial success.. if you think the site of a currin & Donegal man starting the county final and taking the place of 2 home grown scotstown players who have come through the nursery set up years ago has sat well with every scotstown person your more deluded than I thought…..thick and lamp post springs to mind….." What modern world are you living in? So Ryan malley by your account is not allowed to play for Scotstown.. he should drive up and down to Ardara ….. and a Scotstown pure blood play because he's from there?
You can't compare the 80s to now …
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Replying To mick2007: "That truly great scotstown team of the 80's that was admired by everyone the length and breath of the country never had to pull in outsiders for provincial success.. if you think the site of a currin & Donegal man starting the county final and taking the place of 2 home grown scotstown players who have come through the nursery set up years ago has sat well with every scotstown person your more deluded than I thought…..thick and lamp post springs to mind….." Thick and lamp post describe him exactly. I find most Scotstown people I talk to also, are embarrassed. A few of them would be members of the greatest Co. Monaghan club team ever (lads from the 70s/80s Scotstown teams). That was a team who actually refused to allow 2 outside club men to join them. A club with scruples and standards were those great Scotstown men of that era.
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Replying To veterngaa: "What modern world are you living in? So Ryan malley by your account is not allowed to play for Scotstown.. he should drive up and down to Ardara ….. and a Scotstown pure blood play because he's from there?
You can't compare the 80s to now …
Dionosaur" I would think very few neutrals would have any issue with the Ryan Malley transfer for the reasons you outlined above. However Jack is a very different story. Just seems totally unfair to smaller clubs in the GAA.
monman91 (Monaghan) - Posts: 51 - 15/11/2023 17:28:19
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Don't think Mccarron made as big of an impact for Scotstown this year as was expected. He was very quite in last week's game until last 10 mins as were Otoole n Mccarthy. It was the none county boys that stood up I thought
Monaghanfan123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 58 - 15/11/2023 17:41:35
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What is everyone's thoughts on the senior and intermediate all stars in Monaghan? Well done to all that won an award. Some interesting picks on both teams.
MonGaa123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 22 - 15/11/2023 18:11:26
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Replying To sporto: "Corduff infamously did it, must be 6/7 years ago" It looks like a good idea, though.
Scotstown and thriving these ten years and have a junior team roughly the same period, i'm not saying this is the only reason, but surely it helps.
Why when Truagh and Corduff done the same were they ridiculed?
farneygael (Monaghan) - Posts: 300 - 15/11/2023 18:59:34
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Scotstown were in the wilderness from 93 until they won their next championship in 2013, narrowly avoiding relegation a few years. Clubs move in cycles, evident by Blayney's current cycle, which they will recover from given their minor success recently. Scotstown's current success is based on enormous work on the club structures for the last 20 years and back by an undoubtable exceptional group of players.
I think the question should be "how are Scotstown running their club?. They appear to have an ability to retain their players to a greater extent to other clubs, as apposed to for example Monaghan Harps & Blayney.
We should be looking to replicate what Scotstown are doing right. We cant put it all down to the size of the club, the club have proportionally the same pick as they did from 1993 to 2013. What has changed?
Why have they retained so man players into senior grade?
How have they so many playing & non playing club members?
What is their underage coaching structure?
How is their club structured from a executive view point, appears to little in house issues?.
How are they developing their facilities. i.e. Their training pitches and new training building.
I can say the same for Inniskeen, they appear to be getting alot right in their structures and will win a championship if they can build on this years experience. Which is not a given for young teams losing their first final. Harps lost the 2015 final, Magheracloon the 2017 and Truagh the 2021 final only to be relegated shortly after.
Oriel23 (Monaghan) - Posts: 4 - 15/11/2023 22:45:11
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Thought on the star teams, any players that shoulda made the Junior Intermediate Senior or Hurling teams.
Edd,South(EU) (Monaghan) - Posts: 60 - 15/11/2023 23:55:49
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Replying To Oriel23: "Scotstown were in the wilderness from 93 until they won their next championship in 2013, narrowly avoiding relegation a few years. Clubs move in cycles, evident by Blayney's current cycle, which they will recover from given their minor success recently. Scotstown's current success is based on enormous work on the club structures for the last 20 years and back by an undoubtable exceptional group of players.
I think the question should be "how are Scotstown running their club?. They appear to have an ability to retain their players to a greater extent to other clubs, as apposed to for example Monaghan Harps & Blayney.
We should be looking to replicate what Scotstown are doing right. We cant put it all down to the size of the club, the club have proportionally the same pick as they did from 1993 to 2013. What has changed?
Why have they retained so man players into senior grade?
How have they so many playing & non playing club members?
What is their underage coaching structure?
How is their club structured from a executive view point, appears to little in house issues?.
How are they developing their facilities. i.e. Their training pitches and new training building.
I can say the same for Inniskeen, they appear to be getting alot right in their structures and will win a championship if they can build on this years experience. Which is not a given for young teams losing their first final. Harps lost the 2015 final, Magheracloon the 2017 and Truagh the 2021 final only to be relegated shortly after." Scotstown handpassing the ball to death is hard to look at.
Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 611 - 16/11/2023 10:49:51
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Replying To Oriel23: "Scotstown were in the wilderness from 93 until they won their next championship in 2013, narrowly avoiding relegation a few years. Clubs move in cycles, evident by Blayney's current cycle, which they will recover from given their minor success recently. Scotstown's current success is based on enormous work on the club structures for the last 20 years and back by an undoubtable exceptional group of players.
I think the question should be "how are Scotstown running their club?. They appear to have an ability to retain their players to a greater extent to other clubs, as apposed to for example Monaghan Harps & Blayney.
We should be looking to replicate what Scotstown are doing right. We cant put it all down to the size of the club, the club have proportionally the same pick as they did from 1993 to 2013. What has changed?
Why have they retained so man players into senior grade?
How have they so many playing & non playing club members?
What is their underage coaching structure?
How is their club structured from a executive view point, appears to little in house issues?.
How are they developing their facilities. i.e. Their training pitches and new training building.
I can say the same for Inniskeen, they appear to be getting alot right in their structures and will win a championship if they can build on this years experience. Which is not a given for young teams losing their first final. Harps lost the 2015 final, Magheracloon the 2017 and Truagh the 2021 final only to be relegated shortly after." When you have a pick of 400/500 players you will get a percentage of boys that will commit, that is why they retain, when you have a pick of 50/60 its the same percentage, just down to scale.
monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 409 - 16/11/2023 11:19:07
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Replying To Monaghanfan123: "Don't think Mccarron made as big of an impact for Scotstown this year as was expected. He was very quite in last week's game until last 10 mins as were Otoole n Mccarthy. It was the none county boys that stood up I thought" Mad statement!!
Jack Mc Carron had a massive impact on Scotstown. He frees up one of there better players all the time with the top defender going to him.
He had an outstanding club championship, was MOTM in the county final, will probably be in the mix for club player of the year in Monaghan and Scotstowns player of the year.
Was double marked by Kilcoo and kicked vital scores!
There's no denying his quality! He allows Scotstown so many more systems of play!
farneygossip (Monaghan) - Posts: 38 - 16/11/2023 12:27:57
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Replying To Bernardo: "Scotstown handpassing the ball to death is hard to look at." From watching the game at the weekend it was there kick passing that won the game!
Long kickpasses into Mc Carron and D Hughes got scores and chances!
Scored from a number of marks by there kicking game!
Beggan kicked one from distance when he looked like he was aiming for the full forward line!
farneygossip (Monaghan) - Posts: 38 - 16/11/2023 12:31:30
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Replying To sporto: "Corduff infamously did it, must be 6/7 years ago" Did Truagh enter it after they won the All Ireland Intermediate when they probably had high playing numbers and a good reserve team?
I think the year Corduff did it they never won a game and there Senior team just about escaped relegation from intermediate!
Had they been in the relegation zone would there Senior team have been able to be relegated from intermediate as they had a team in the division below?
farneygossip (Monaghan) - Posts: 38 - 16/11/2023 12:44:03
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Does anybody know what our u20 team is like this year? I'll be interested to see how many lads from last year's fantastic minor panel make the u20 panel.
Probably a good idea to have as many of them as possible in the panel to get good quality S&C and training, with a look to two years down the road when they'll be in their final year and could hopefully achieve something special yet again.
HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 251 - 16/11/2023 19:48:19
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Replying To farneygossip: "Did Truagh enter it after they won the All Ireland Intermediate when they probably had high playing numbers and a good reserve team?
I think the year Corduff did it they never won a game and there Senior team just about escaped relegation from intermediate!
Had they been in the relegation zone would there Senior team have been able to be relegated from intermediate as they had a team in the division below?" Corduff did it in 2018 and 2019 truagh did it in 2019. Id reckon Latton will probably be the next team to try it out
Edd,South(EU) (Monaghan) - Posts: 60 - 17/11/2023 01:02:31
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Replying To farneygossip: "Did Truagh enter it after they won the All Ireland Intermediate when they probably had high playing numbers and a good reserve team?
I think the year Corduff did it they never won a game and there Senior team just about escaped relegation from intermediate!
Had they been in the relegation zone would there Senior team have been able to be relegated from intermediate as they had a team in the division below?" No, Truagh entered a few years after the intermediate All Ireland.
Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 199 - 17/11/2023 13:49:54
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