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Anyone thinking that Shane Curran is giving a masterclass in anything except codding supporters needs to have a chat with someone. Caulry supporters in Cusack on Saturday were fuming at the carry on, a potentially decent game ruined by sideline shenanigans, Loman's weren't overly impressed either, their players felt distrspected in a championship encounter.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1654 - 07/08/2023 15:07:05    2499389

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Kinnegad only scoring 7 pts was very poor-have to win last game now to gaurantee a semi final place
Nice double there with Ttryellspass and Killucan-any takers??

Bruno@1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 187 - 07/08/2023 17:27:17    2499400

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Anyone thinking that Shane Curran is giving a masterclass in anything except codding supporters needs to have a chat with someone. Caulry supporters in Cusack on Saturday were fuming at the carry on, a potentially decent game ruined by sideline shenanigans, Loman's weren't overly impressed either, their players felt distrspected in a championship encounter."
Totally agree.

Icehouse (Westmeath) - Posts: 79 - 07/08/2023 19:56:08    2499420

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Replying To lakecounty90:  "Huge result for Tyrrellspass, thats Downs out and down to Section B.
Hard to believe that with round still left.
Worst defence of the Flanagan Cup as far back as I can remember, not one win.
Second game was terrible to watch, Killucan got there All Ireland. Same old Kinnegad, in fairness ref rode them and gave Killucan loads easy frees
Its definitely not as clear cut now as to who advances."
Very lazy & inaccurate analysis. Killucan with full credit to them grafted out a win (should/could have also had other wins in previous rounds)
How could a team only score 7 points and be happy with that performance, their ultra defensive and cynical tactics didn't work this weekend.
Also crazy that the downs are out already (and garrycastle relegated)… goes to show you the championship is competitive

WestmeathFan (Westmeath) - Posts: 26 - 07/08/2023 20:08:58    2499425

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Replying To Icehouse:  "Stupid statement."
Sorry that comment was for someone else.

Icehouse (Westmeath) - Posts: 79 - 07/08/2023 21:28:45    2499434

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This weekend again showing that Westmeath have an excellent championship structure! All games are competitive and late wins for Shandonagh, Athlone, Tyrrellspass and a surprise win for Killucan providing plenty of drama! Great with so many permutations on the line going into the last round. Intermediate equally as tight with all still to play for, surprise win for Milltown over Tubberclair.

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 177 - 07/08/2023 21:44:16    2499440

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Weekend seemed to emphasise the chasm between Loman's and all other so called contenders, Their biggest rivals over the past two decades have been Garrycastle, Shamrocks and The Downs, obviously Garrycastle are now Intermediate, The Downs in Section B next year almost certainly alongside Shamrocks, Kinnegad are most people's second favourites but produced an abject display versus Killucan, toothless in attack, outfought and out tackled by a hungrier team, Caulry are fancied here by some posters and were thrashed by Loman's and regardless of the team they started it was a setback, Tyrrellspass had a decent win and could reach yet another county final but a pairing of Loman's and Tyrrellspass in the final would hardly attract many neutrals. Tang continued to impress with a fourth successive narrow win but not even ardent Tang supporters think they're capable of giving Loman's a game. The likes of Heslin, O' Toole, Dempsey, two McCartans and others looked hungry and sharp and their strength in depth is the envy of other clubs.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1654 - 07/08/2023 21:48:51    2499442

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Replying To Westmeathno1:  "Strange thing to say killucan got there all Ireland and that the ref rode kinnegad , the fact off the matter was killucan were the better team in every area off the pitch and squander 2 clear cut goal chances should've won by more , you really haven't a clue"
Thought ref gave Killucan loads of soft frees in front of goal wouldnt have won without them frees and then there GK stupidly took a Kinnegad player out of it should have been a red.
2 points from play wont win you most games but then same goes for Kinnegad scoring 7 points.
It was probably the worst game of football Ive seen all year, two ultra defensive teams with no attacking game plan.
All of a sudden John Morleys have a very good chance of getting to quarter final as Lomans likely to rest players in last round.
What have we learned from the weekend??
Lomans wont be touched and can start preparing for Leinster.
This is the way I see it ending up in Section A
1 Lomans 7
2 Caulry 6
3 Tyrrellspass 6
4 Killucan 5
5 Kinnegad 5
6 The Downs 1

lakecounty90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 73 - 07/08/2023 21:52:10    2499443

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Interesting times indeed. The Downs and Lar Wall will be gutted at their title defence regardless of the all the players that were missing. Kelly, Mitchell, Coughlan and Kilmartin missing from their Leinster final side I think. Whatever about missing about on the the knockout stages, it's a double whammy dropping down to Section B. But they have been poor, the results don't lie. Ley by 6 early in first half and then by 4 I think half way through the 2nd and looked comfortable. You have to hand it to Tyrellspass without Ger Egan to grind it out and get the goal.
The Downs will be ok, Wall will be gutted and will rally the troops after a decent break unlike last year. The last round will be a tricky tie for Caulry.
So Kinnegad v TPass, Downs v Caulry and Lomans v Killucan.
The only definites are Lomans into semi's and Downs dropping down. The rest is up for grabs.
I really thought Kinnegad were the only side that could trouble Lomans in a one off game but now I don't think there is any team to come close.
Section B is just crackers with Tang through and 4 teams on 4 points and Garrycastle relegated.
A tough day for Garrycastle but it has been coming I guess. But what a team / club they have been.
1 Leinster, 8 county plus the rest and the many county players provided.
Going to be tough getting back as many clubs have found out but seems the succession planning was neglected perhaps.

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 1141 - 07/08/2023 21:58:34    2499444

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Replying To Bruno@1:  "Kinnegad only scoring 7 pts was very poor-have to win last game now to gaurantee a semi final place
Nice double there with Ttryellspass and Killucan-any takers??"
They could go out on 5 points if they don't win. Unlikely but a possibility

CasKD (Westmeath) - Posts: 38 - 08/08/2023 06:59:52    2499451

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Anyone thinking that Shane Curran is giving a masterclass in anything except codding supporters needs to have a chat with someone. Caulry supporters in Cusack on Saturday were fuming at the carry on, a potentially decent game ruined by sideline shenanigans, Loman's weren't overly impressed either, their players felt distrspected in a championship encounter."
A masterclass in making things about Shane Curran

CasKD (Westmeath) - Posts: 38 - 08/08/2023 07:00:30    2499452

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Am I right in thinking that 5 teams in Intermediate group A could end up on 6 points if Milltown, Rosemount and Ballymore all win? How is it decided who makes SF, QF and is relegated to B in that case?

martyW (Westmeath) - Posts: 321 - 08/08/2023 09:42:47    2499462

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Replying To BigSur:  "Interesting times indeed. The Downs and Lar Wall will be gutted at their title defence regardless of the all the players that were missing. Kelly, Mitchell, Coughlan and Kilmartin missing from their Leinster final side I think. Whatever about missing about on the the knockout stages, it's a double whammy dropping down to Section B. But they have been poor, the results don't lie. Ley by 6 early in first half and then by 4 I think half way through the 2nd and looked comfortable. You have to hand it to Tyrellspass without Ger Egan to grind it out and get the goal.
The Downs will be ok, Wall will be gutted and will rally the troops after a decent break unlike last year. The last round will be a tricky tie for Caulry.
So Kinnegad v TPass, Downs v Caulry and Lomans v Killucan.
The only definites are Lomans into semi's and Downs dropping down. The rest is up for grabs.
I really thought Kinnegad were the only side that could trouble Lomans in a one off game but now I don't think there is any team to come close.
Section B is just crackers with Tang through and 4 teams on 4 points and Garrycastle relegated.
A tough day for Garrycastle but it has been coming I guess. But what a team / club they have been.
1 Leinster, 8 county plus the rest and the many county players provided.
Going to be tough getting back as many clubs have found out but seems the succession planning was neglected perhaps."
Not sure Garrycastle neglected their succession planning really. Underage numbers are not in the top 8 in the county. Maybe not even top 12. They are a town team, but their pick isn't enormous. The relegation was just a matter of time (although have to admit I thought maybe another 2 years away). They won u15 last year, which was their first Div1 underage win in more than 20 years. This year their u15s are Div3 - so it looks like it might be a one off group. They'll be favourites for Intermediate next year, but if they don't go straight back up then that could be their level for a long time.

As others have said here, Lomans look to be well ahead of the pack. Anything can happen in a one-off game, but would fancy them to win at least 3 of the next 5. Kinnegad are young and will keep improving. The Downs will be back next year. Both have been excellent at underage for past 10 years so getting the benefits now. Tubberclair, Moate, Killucan, Shamrocks, Shandonagh, and of course Lomans as always looking strong across the 3 underage grades at the moment, so maybe some new challengers in a few years time.

jamsie (Westmeath) - Posts: 445 - 08/08/2023 09:58:36    2499467

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What a weekend of results!
For all the complaints about Westmeath GAA (myself included) we do have one of the best championship structures in the country

To have The Downs and Garrycastle where they are for 2024 is incredible.

Killucan and Tyrrellspass fully deserved their wins
A win for Caulry and Tyrrelspass gets Caulry into a semi final and Tyrellspass into a quarter final along with Kinnegad

Mountlin (Westmeath) - Posts: 52 - 08/08/2023 10:42:55    2499477

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Score difference decides and possibly score difference in the matches between those teams.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1654 - 08/08/2023 11:22:04    2499483

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6.21 County Championships (extract of)
(c) Except where provided for otherwise in County
Bye-Law or in Competition Regulation, when
Teams finish with equal points for Qualification
for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion
or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the
following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the
outcome of the meeting of the two Teams
in the previous game in the Competition;
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total
Scores Against from total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) A Play-Off.

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 1141 - 08/08/2023 11:55:12    2499501

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Replying To Mountlin:  "What a weekend of results!
For all the complaints about Westmeath GAA (myself included) we do have one of the best championship structures in the country

To have The Downs and Garrycastle where they are for 2024 is incredible.

Killucan and Tyrrellspass fully deserved their wins
A win for Caulry and Tyrrelspass gets Caulry into a semi final and Tyrellspass into a quarter final along with Kinnegad"
The Downs can pencil in at least a semi final next year straightaway.

jfd (Westmeath) - Posts: 243 - 08/08/2023 12:26:31    2499507

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Replying To BigSur:  "6.21 County Championships (extract of)
(c) Except where provided for otherwise in County
Bye-Law or in Competition Regulation, when
Teams finish with equal points for Qualification
for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion
or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the
following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the
outcome of the meeting of the two Teams
in the previous game in the Competition;
(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total
Scores Against from total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) A Play-Off."
Rule 6.21 was updated at Congress earlier in the year, see below.

Except where provided for otherwise in these Rules, in County Bye-Law or in Competition
Regulation, when Teams finish with equal points for Qualification for the Concluding Stages, or for Promotion or Relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) The higher number of League Points obtained in the 'Head-to-Head' games defined as the games in which the teams involved in the tie have played each other.
(ii) The higher Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For) in the 'Head-to-Head' games.
(iii) The higher Scores For in the 'Head-to-Head' games.
(iv) If the application of criteria (i) to (iii) results in a team(s) being successful or eliminated but there is still a relevant tie to be decided, criteria (i) to (iii) are to be repeated for the 'Head-to-Head' games only of the still tied teams.
(v) The higher Scoring Difference in all games in the League Group.
(vi) The higher Scores For in all games in the League Group.
(vii) A Play-Off.


If for example 3 teams are tied then only the games involving the 3 teams are used to rank. Its like a little mini league among the 3 tied teams.

Brendanj (Westmeath) - Posts: 67 - 08/08/2023 13:27:30    2499524

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Quite possible that after the next round of games in senior A-Kinnegad could join the Downs in section B next year-now wouldnt that be some turnaround!!

Bruno@1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 187 - 08/08/2023 13:51:32    2499532

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Running off your senior championship a bit too quickly? Teams relegated in early August and the Leinster championship doesn't starts until November.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3435 - 08/08/2023 14:28:06    2499540

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