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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Ah here......I thought we were well past that line of thinking in this county."
The fact that the 3 in question are the panels captain and vice captains must have passed over his head. A ridiculous suggestion.

ninety-two (Donegal) - Posts: 27 - 24/03/2023 12:49:41    2466234

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "Three players from south of County get rid of Paddy Carr, one out injured, other coming to end of his county career and the other in fairness the best player in county at present. Carr who has his roots in Fanad area of county didnt fit into the GAA family south of the Gap. Carr should have held firm and did what McGunness did to one of his top players for breach of panel discipline."
Grow up would ya??? What did the whole panel have to travel and tell him each in turn??

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 24/03/2023 13:09:05    2466242

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It's amazing how the small number of individuals at the centre of this current malaise are putting themselves first over the good of the county?? ....they don't even have the self awareness to do the right thing. Paddy Carr will have the respect of even his most ardent critics for the way he conducted himself. These clowns could take a leaf out of his book

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 24/03/2023 13:13:12    2466244

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Carr should never have been appointed. Seems like a lovely man but not upto the job regardless of how you feel about player power. Carr has actually gone up in my estimation by stepping aside. He will be well liked and respected for it."
the problem Carr had was he couldn't get a good coaching team in round him. Whether that's his fault or the county board's fault I have no idea, but I don't think the 2 guys coaching the team at the minute are anywhere near good enough to coach and prepare a top county team. That's clear from the lack of intensity in the warmups and the way the team start games slowly.

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 633 - 24/03/2023 13:16:45    2466248

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think Croke Park stepping in to conduct an independent audit is a good thing. A lot of the blame is going in the county board's direction, but there are always two sides to every story. The audit might be painful for some, but if it alleviates the tension and discontent then it can only be a good thing in the long run. That may mean some positions have become untenable. If it does, then so be it.

I hope that Karl Lacey and his team of coaches can be enticed to return. By all accounts the Academy was well structured and moving in the right direction. But it needs to be sustainable as well. Nothing comes for free. If the audit can also highlight flaws, and more importantly propose ways how the Academy can operate in a financially sustainable way then Donegal GAA will benefit.

We have a long way to go to turn things around, but maybe, just maybe we are heading towards turning the corner."
Croke Park to step in?????....and do what exactly?? CP officials to come down from their ivory tower and sort out what will be viewed by them as a minor skirmish in the north west???....do you honestly think that they are going to attach blame to their own officials in donegal??

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 24/03/2023 13:18:25    2466250

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Replying To gunman:  "What actually needs to be changed?? A head on a plate ??"
Probably more than one head in fairness....

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 24/03/2023 13:19:34    2466251

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Replying To CCFabu:  "total wishy washy from Devenney on there and honestly when Parkinson was talking about what a tough job Paddy Carr had, Devenney actually looked ****** off if you look at the video clip

I think Devenney was setting up that the players want Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley to take things on but Parkinson cut across him. He had a line of players not being happy that the "final word was going to Carr" or something along those lines. He also mentioned these players having experience of "previous regimes" and mentioned McGuinness. Who is left from McGuinness time? It's not hard to figure out how they're trying to frame this

Absolute hit job on Paddy Carr in my view and totally unfair on the man"
Devenney has got himself a nice little gig on the punditry circuit and unfortunately wooly and others on otb think they are getting a view of what is happening on the ground in the county. BD is only reflecting his buddies views from the lk area who have skin in this debacle.

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 24/03/2023 13:23:20    2466257

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Replying To The keeper:  "I believe you are being a bit unfair to the 3 players by putting all the blame on them.
I would imagine they were speaking on behalf of the rest of the panel.
And the reality is if things were not up to the standards they expected, its very hard to follow.
Did they go about it in the wrong way, yes probably.
Should they have done it sooner if they were unhappy, yes they probably should have.
But as a player i am sure its not an easy decision to make, especially as i am sure they all believe paddy carr was a decent man.
Nothing is ever black and white, and i will never be critical of players who put do much time and effort into training and games.
The fact is players from all age groups have been let down by the Donegal committee.

And to say that there is some sort of divide between the south and north of the gap is clutching at straws."
Of course the 3 players were acting on behalf of the rest of the panel but they had to act quickly to try and salvage something from the year ahead with just over 4 weeks from the start of the Championship. It obviously has something to do with the manager himself because they are happy with O Rourke and Bradley. The players were not happy about something and certainly went the wrong way about it but time will tell whether they will be proven right or wrong in the months ahead.
One thing is certain something was wrong last Sunday as players seem to throw the towel in the second half.

Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 486 - 24/03/2023 13:46:04    2466263

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "So the coaching officer and one other member of the executive got picked apart for 4 hours last night. The chairman has now distanced himself from their side of the fence and he is welcoming Croke Park intervention. It's actually beyond belief that the two lads in question are digging in. Lie after lie picked apart by various people from the floor.

Karl Lacey and the 40 coaches will most likely return when the 2 men in question resign or are removed from their positions. That's the lay of the land."
Totally agree with your comments. I cannot see Lacy or his coaches returning until the 2 men in question resign or be forced to step down by the clubs.

Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 486 - 24/03/2023 13:52:23    2466268

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Replying To totalrecall:  "Devenney has got himself a nice little gig on the punditry circuit and unfortunately wooly and others on otb think they are getting a view of what is happening on the ground in the county. BD is only reflecting his buddies views from the lk area who have skin in this debacle."
Ridiculous tweet issued from John Haran praising the county chairman, his fellow clubman for 'calling in Croke Park to clean up the mess left by others' .

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 633 - 24/03/2023 14:07:54    2466277

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Replying To gunman:  "What actually needs to be changed?? A head on a plate ??"
How about giving the head of the academy the budget for the year or analysis of where the spend has gone so far in a timely manner? Pretty basic stuff.

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 173 - 24/03/2023 15:02:35    2466293

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Replying To totalrecall:  "Croke Park to step in?????....and do what exactly?? CP officials to come down from their ivory tower and sort out what will be viewed by them as a minor skirmish in the north west???....do you honestly think that they are going to attach blame to their own officials in donegal??"
Well clearly things haven't been, and are not being done right so some outside, indepedent consultation is to be welcomed in my opinion. I believe Croke Park officials had to intervene in Galway similarly in the recent past, and look at how they're going now.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9759 - 24/03/2023 15:09:31    2466295

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For the team to go against their manager like this is brave. They now have to step up on Sunday and show us some heart and desire. We are a county team full of walk overs and soft players.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 502 - 24/03/2023 15:57:52    2466314

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Replying To greenfan:  "the problem Carr had was he couldn't get a good coaching team in round him. Whether that's his fault or the county board's fault I have no idea, but I don't think the 2 guys coaching the team at the minute are anywhere near good enough to coach and prepare a top county team. That's clear from the lack of intensity in the warmups and the way the team start games slowly."
To take that point, Paddy Carr didn't get to pick his backroom team. He was told that if you accept Aidan O'Rourke as your Head Coach you have the job. And I think you are right with your second point, neither of them are good enough.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 777 - 24/03/2023 16:18:34    2466325

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Replying To greenfan:  "Ridiculous tweet issued from John Haran praising the county chairman, his fellow clubman for 'calling in Croke Park to clean up the mess left by others' ."
Id say its more of a dig at the previous incumbent. A history going back 25 and a half years now and continuing.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 777 - 24/03/2023 16:23:39    2466329

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Well clearly things haven't been, and are not being done right so some outside, indepedent consultation is to be welcomed in my opinion. I believe Croke Park officials had to intervene in Galway similarly in the recent past, and look at how they're going now."
Beware what the cost of that could be ? Imagine Croke getting KPMG in to a audit costing 50k to the county ?
Cheaper solution would be for the clubs to back a Paul McGonagle led admin team to take charge next year and do a review for what they already know needs to done

Tirchonailabu56 (Donegal) - Posts: 35 - 24/03/2023 18:24:30    2466350

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I see Devenney is intent on portraying the Croke Park audit and an Academy issue, that they are coming in to fix that mess only. When in reality they said it would be a broad, forensic look at all governance.

He is he'll bent on protecting the CB image. It's bizarre, I wonder if there is more to it than just looking out for his pals.

ninety-two (Donegal) - Posts: 27 - 25/03/2023 07:21:43    2466376

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The County Board didn't invite Croke Park in to do an audit, Croke Park told them they'd be coming to do one. Big difference.

SignTheContract (Donegal) - Posts: 197 - 25/03/2023 08:18:27    2466382

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Replying To ninety-two:  "I see Devenney is intent on portraying the Croke Park audit and an Academy issue, that they are coming in to fix that mess only. When in reality they said it would be a broad, forensic look at all governance.

He is he'll bent on protecting the CB image. It's bizarre, I wonder if there is more to it than just looking out for his pals."
Loved him as a player but his commentary through this entire fiasco has ended any notion he is an impartial broadcaster.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1409 - 25/03/2023 10:51:27    2466395

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Replying To ninety-two:  "I see Devenney is intent on portraying the Croke Park audit and an Academy issue, that they are coming in to fix that mess only. When in reality they said it would be a broad, forensic look at all governance.

He is he'll bent on protecting the CB image. It's bizarre, I wonder if there is more to it than just looking out for his pals."
Well he has known them most of his life, as you said you have with Lacey. Can anyone really be impartial in this?

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1198 - 25/03/2023 10:58:27    2466398

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