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Replying To Square_B: "I know Joe you'd rather we all forget about Leitrim's worst manager in living memory. A manager who needed hand holding through his entire tenure. All history of course." Jesus
You sound like Donald Trump.
Anyway, as you say it is all history now.
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 517 - 09/08/2024 19:11:26
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Replying To joeman123: "Jesus
Will you every let go.For the final time ; it was how the team reacted to the New York defeat which is the real story.No one left the panel, they voluntary undertook strength and conditioning off season and did brillianty to get promotion without Keith Beirne.
However that is now history and it is what happens now that is important. Let's get behind them and hope they can do well next year." Joeman123 you were a big fan of Andy Moran, Genuine question, did you watch us under Andy Moran?
If you went to the games and you thought Leitrim were well organised, had a clear game plan, that players were comfortable doing the basics, and that Andy had players playing in their correct positions , and made the right substitutions at the right time. If you think all that is correct there is no point in arguing with you.
We will agree to disagree. Personally I'm glad he's gone and wish Mickey Graham the best, I look forward to Graham rectifying some of the issues I seen watching us the last three years.
3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 351 - 09/08/2024 21:52:03
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Replying To meathbasedfan: "we're looking back at the managerial record of Andy Moran while over Leitrim. so it has to be in the conversation. it was the biggest and most historic moment of his reign." It shows how small and narrow minded people are if they think this is the most historical moment. But then again thats what small and narrow minded people do, keep searching for negatively. Hopefully Mickey Graham will live up to the status that you all rate him
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1978 - 09/08/2024 22:38:50
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Replying To eoinog: "It shows how small and narrow minded people are if they think this is the most historical moment. But then again thats what small and narrow minded people do, keep searching for negatively. Hopefully Mickey Graham will live up to the status that you all rate him" thats daft, it was huge. and as another poster said, it'll be what he's remembered for, and not just in Leitrim. Mickey has an excellent CV. and i think the players will buy into him.
meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 132 - 10/08/2024 09:20:12
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Very easy win for Mohill last night. They blitzed Gortletteragh from the start and had the game won inside the first 10 minutes. Gortletteragh couldn't match their pace intensity or physicality. Mohill eased off the second half or it would have been a massacre. Mohill far from full strength either shows the huge gap between the top and bottom sides in the senior championship. The reduction to 8 teams is badly needed to make it more competitive although 2 or 3 of that 8 will struggle badly next year with whoever wins this year's intermediate.
JimmyNail (Leitrim) - Posts: 252 - 10/08/2024 10:53:20
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Replying To Square_B: "Moran wasn't an 'excellent' appointment. Let's clear that one up straight away. We'd have secured promotion in 2022 had the right man been chosen." Not Andy morans fault letrim just don't have the players you need to up your S&C shake up from the bottom up moran left letrim in a better place no other manager would have done a better job if you don't have the players and right investment it's hard for a county to go far espcially a small county like letrim. I'm sure you will go up a division in the future when you shake things up but that needs to start from under age.
So don't be blaming Andy moran for that or for loosing to New York, new york aren't a bad side.
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 106 - 10/08/2024 10:57:17
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There are people on here who think that our relative success of the early 90s can be replicated simply by getting the "right man". Unfortunately it's clear that there have been plenty on various county boards who felt the same.
Blaming Andy Moran for what he had to work with is unfair. Do I think that he could have done a better job with what he had? Absolutely. I'd apportion more blame on the players however. I've said before that the lack of game intelligence is stark. These are grown men. They're not insecure 15 and 16 year olds.
The fact that they think they can achieve inter county success without proper s+c tells you all you need to know. The fact that a manager has to come in and start working on that tells you all you need to know about the problems we have from the ground up.
If you actually follow football in the county you can identify future inter county players from 10 or 11 years of age. Naturally some will develop late or not as you'd expect but generally the ones that are good at 10 or 11 will come through. Ben Guckian, Paul Honeyman, Darren Cox etc. have been talked about for 10 years. These players need to be identified and managed from early on. Being part of an "academy" that trains for 3 months before a championship is not a route to success either in the short or long term.
Coupled with being managed properly they also need better quality games within the county. If clubs dont want to amalgamate then the county board needs to set up regional teams where the players are playing with and against quality on a very regular basis. Our club football at underage level is a very poor standard. Use these teams to train our coaches. Ensure that they're not from the same clubs as the players thereby ensuring that loyalties to their own club is guarded against.
If you need an example of how poorly run we are at underage level then look no further than Thursday where Mohill bet Annaduff by 33 points in division 3 of the under 15 championship. How could a successful town team be allowed to compete in Division 3? There are loads of examples like this. What value are either team getting from these games. Are clubs sacrificing player development simply for the sake of a meaningless cup or the chance to parade around the parish yahooing out the window?
Our problems are many but easily fixed if the willingness is there. Therin lies the problem.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 143 - 10/08/2024 14:56:34
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "There are people on here who think that our relative success of the early 90s can be replicated simply by getting the "right man". Unfortunately it's clear that there have been plenty on various county boards who felt the same.
Blaming Andy Moran for what he had to work with is unfair. Do I think that he could have done a better job with what he had? Absolutely. I'd apportion more blame on the players however. I've said before that the lack of game intelligence is stark. These are grown men. They're not insecure 15 and 16 year olds.
The fact that they think they can achieve inter county success without proper s+c tells you all you need to know. The fact that a manager has to come in and start working on that tells you all you need to know about the problems we have from the ground up.
If you actually follow football in the county you can identify future inter county players from 10 or 11 years of age. Naturally some will develop late or not as you'd expect but generally the ones that are good at 10 or 11 will come through. Ben Guckian, Paul Honeyman, Darren Cox etc. have been talked about for 10 years. These players need to be identified and managed from early on. Being part of an "academy" that trains for 3 months before a championship is not a route to success either in the short or long term.
Coupled with being managed properly they also need better quality games within the county. If clubs dont want to amalgamate then the county board needs to set up regional teams where the players are playing with and against quality on a very regular basis. Our club football at underage level is a very poor standard. Use these teams to train our coaches. Ensure that they're not from the same clubs as the players thereby ensuring that loyalties to their own club is guarded against.
If you need an example of how poorly run we are at underage level then look no further than Thursday where Mohill bet Annaduff by 33 points in division 3 of the under 15 championship. How could a successful town team be allowed to compete in Division 3? There are loads of examples like this. What value are either team getting from these games. Are clubs sacrificing player development simply for the sake of a meaningless cup or the chance to parade around the parish yahooing out the window?
Our problems are many but easily fixed if the willingness is there. Therin lies the problem." Paul honeyman isn't a great footballer. Fair enough he scored 10 points in a minor match ages ago but he hasn't had an impact on the championship so far
TJH (Sligo) - Posts: 60 - 10/08/2024 15:19:33
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Replying To TJH: "Paul honeyman isn't a great footballer. Fair enough he scored 10 points in a minor match ages ago but he hasn't had an impact on the championship so far" there's only been 1 game for Ballinamore,
meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 132 - 10/08/2024 15:55:28
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "There are people on here who think that our relative success of the early 90s can be replicated simply by getting the "right man". Unfortunately it's clear that there have been plenty on various county boards who felt the same.
Blaming Andy Moran for what he had to work with is unfair. Do I think that he could have done a better job with what he had? Absolutely. I'd apportion more blame on the players however. I've said before that the lack of game intelligence is stark. These are grown men. They're not insecure 15 and 16 year olds.
The fact that they think they can achieve inter county success without proper s+c tells you all you need to know. The fact that a manager has to come in and start working on that tells you all you need to know about the problems we have from the ground up.
If you actually follow football in the county you can identify future inter county players from 10 or 11 years of age. Naturally some will develop late or not as you'd expect but generally the ones that are good at 10 or 11 will come through. Ben Guckian, Paul Honeyman, Darren Cox etc. have been talked about for 10 years. These players need to be identified and managed from early on. Being part of an "academy" that trains for 3 months before a championship is not a route to success either in the short or long term.
Coupled with being managed properly they also need better quality games within the county. If clubs dont want to amalgamate then the county board needs to set up regional teams where the players are playing with and against quality on a very regular basis. Our club football at underage level is a very poor standard. Use these teams to train our coaches. Ensure that they're not from the same clubs as the players thereby ensuring that loyalties to their own club is guarded against.
If you need an example of how poorly run we are at underage level then look no further than Thursday where Mohill bet Annaduff by 33 points in division 3 of the under 15 championship. How could a successful town team be allowed to compete in Division 3? There are loads of examples like this. What value are either team getting from these games. Are clubs sacrificing player development simply for the sake of a meaningless cup or the chance to parade around the parish yahooing out the window?
Our problems are many but easily fixed if the willingness is there. Therin lies the problem." If you're referring to me I certainly don't think that getting the right manager will bring us success. I was speaking in the context of the team that Moran inherited. However, Moran was not a cheap manager and I would have rathered a manager who had a bit more than a few months experience managing his own club. Our problems in the county are well known & have been well discussed here. If you look back far enough on this forum, I have consistently stated that standards need to improve and more investment is needed at underage level. I have also said many times that there's too many clubs in the county and ultimately clubs will have to amalgamate if things are to improve. Spending wild sums on the senior team isn't going to improve matters in the short term and certainly throwing away money on unproven management is not going to help matters either.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1055 - 10/08/2024 17:04:00
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Replying To S1234: "Not Andy morans fault letrim just don't have the players you need to up your S&C shake up from the bottom up moran left letrim in a better place no other manager would have done a better job if you don't have the players and right investment it's hard for a county to go far espcially a small county like letrim. I'm sure you will go up a division in the future when you shake things up but that needs to start from under age.
So don't be blaming Andy moran for that or for loosing to New York, new york aren't a bad side." Would you have him in charge of Mayo? One word answer.
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 10/08/2024 17:18:05
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "There are people on here who think that our relative success of the early 90s can be replicated simply by getting the "right man". Unfortunately it's clear that there have been plenty on various county boards who felt the same.
Blaming Andy Moran for what he had to work with is unfair. Do I think that he could have done a better job with what he had? Absolutely. I'd apportion more blame on the players however. I've said before that the lack of game intelligence is stark. These are grown men. They're not insecure 15 and 16 year olds.
The fact that they think they can achieve inter county success without proper s+c tells you all you need to know. The fact that a manager has to come in and start working on that tells you all you need to know about the problems we have from the ground up.
If you actually follow football in the county you can identify future inter county players from 10 or 11 years of age. Naturally some will develop late or not as you'd expect but generally the ones that are good at 10 or 11 will come through. Ben Guckian, Paul Honeyman, Darren Cox etc. have been talked about for 10 years. These players need to be identified and managed from early on. Being part of an "academy" that trains for 3 months before a championship is not a route to success either in the short or long term.
Coupled with being managed properly they also need better quality games within the county. If clubs dont want to amalgamate then the county board needs to set up regional teams where the players are playing with and against quality on a very regular basis. Our club football at underage level is a very poor standard. Use these teams to train our coaches. Ensure that they're not from the same clubs as the players thereby ensuring that loyalties to their own club is guarded against.
If you need an example of how poorly run we are at underage level then look no further than Thursday where Mohill bet Annaduff by 33 points in division 3 of the under 15 championship. How could a successful town team be allowed to compete in Division 3? There are loads of examples like this. What value are either team getting from these games. Are clubs sacrificing player development simply for the sake of a meaningless cup or the chance to parade around the parish yahooing out the window?
Our problems are many but easily fixed if the willingness is there. Therin lies the problem." Are you sure that was both clubs 1st string teams?
I checked and it's Annaduffs 2nd string. Not a nice result but likely they just wanna give everyone football, I'd question why or county champions U15 are down in the 3rd tier.. is it messing about to win a handy championship as you say, or is mohill slipping badly at underage?
Quite sure that team includes Eslin and Cloone underage players so if it is I fear for all 3 clubs, Mohill a town team will always be there or thereabouts but Eslin and Cloone will likely go to the wall
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Replying To gaelsboy: "Are you sure that was both clubs 1st string teams?
I checked and it's Annaduffs 2nd string. Not a nice result but likely they just wanna give everyone football, I'd question why or county champions U15 are down in the 3rd tier.. is it messing about to win a handy championship as you say, or is mohill slipping badly at underage?
Quite sure that team includes Eslin and Cloone underage players so if it is I fear for all 3 clubs, Mohill a town team will always be there or thereabouts but Eslin and Cloone will likely go to the wall" Annaduffs second team. Definitely Mohills only team. Annaduffs first team is in Division 1 championship. Only four teams in Div 1, Annaduff, Mary's, Manor and Rinn gaels.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 143 - 10/08/2024 18:10:18
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JimmyNail (Leitrim) - Posts: 252 - 10/08/2024 21:52:44
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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland: "Would you have him in charge of Mayo? One word answer." I can't just give you a one word answer on that.
But no he's not ready to manage a division 1 team.(but he will manage mayo in later years no doubt about it)
You were a division 4 team when Andy took over
You can't compare mayo to letrim not to be disrespectful.
You have great supporters and you will go up a division hopefully in the future.
But as I said you need a good shake up from underage and S&C.
Also hard when you don't have big investment like the bigger counties. I am biased but I still think Andy did his best with you and left you in a better place.
Hopefully you get a decent manager to take over. But as I said it needs a revamp from the ground up in letrim to get going.
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 106 - 10/08/2024 21:55:38
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Replying To S1234: "I can't just give you a one word answer on that.
But no he's not ready to manage a division 1 team.(but he will manage mayo in later years no doubt about it)
You were a division 4 team when Andy took over
You can't compare mayo to letrim not to be disrespectful.
You have great supporters and you will go up a division hopefully in the future.
But as I said you need a good shake up from underage and S&C.
Also hard when you don't have big investment like the bigger counties. I am biased but I still think Andy did his best with you and left you in a better place.
Hopefully you get a decent manager to take over. But as I said it needs a revamp from the ground up in letrim to get going." I can assure you the consensus in Leitim is he did a great job, despite the persistent comments from a minority of detractors who were vocal against him on this forum.
He leaves Leitim in the highest esteem, knockers on this forum excepted.
We wish him well.
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 517 - 10/08/2024 22:09:24
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Replying To S1234: "I can't just give you a one word answer on that.
But no he's not ready to manage a division 1 team.(but he will manage mayo in later years no doubt about it)
You were a division 4 team when Andy took over
You can't compare mayo to letrim not to be disrespectful.
You have great supporters and you will go up a division hopefully in the future.
But as I said you need a good shake up from underage and S&C.
Also hard when you don't have big investment like the bigger counties. I am biased but I still think Andy did his best with you and left you in a better place.
Hopefully you get a decent manager to take over. But as I said it needs a revamp from the ground up in letrim to get going." Well Mayo aren't currently pulling up trees in fairness so he could be the perfect fit for yee to raise up a level if he was that good with us in your opinion
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 10/08/2024 22:45:48
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Replying To joeman123: "I can assure you the consensus in Leitim is he did a great job, despite the persistent comments from a minority of detractors who were vocal against him on this forum.
He leaves Leitim in the highest esteem, knockers on this forum excepted.
We wish him well." When did you get the job as spokesperson of the county? Have you talked to every person living in the country to come up with this? What is the basis of that assumption you've been made. BTW there's no one here not wishing him well in future.
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 10/08/2024 22:47:21
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Replying To S1234: "I can't just give you a one word answer on that.
But no he's not ready to manage a division 1 team.(but he will manage mayo in later years no doubt about it)
You were a division 4 team when Andy took over
You can't compare mayo to letrim not to be disrespectful.
You have great supporters and you will go up a division hopefully in the future.
But as I said you need a good shake up from underage and S&C.
Also hard when you don't have big investment like the bigger counties. I am biased but I still think Andy did his best with you and left you in a better place.
Hopefully you get a decent manager to take over. But as I said it needs a revamp from the ground up in letrim to get going." Of course you wouldn't but you'd expect that he'd be good enough little old Leitrim with a few months management experience with his own club.
We've a got a new manager BTW. Kinda says it all when you don't already know that.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1055 - 11/08/2024 00:23:52
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Replying To Square_B: "Of course you wouldn't but you'd expect that he'd be good enough little old Leitrim with a few months management experience with his own club.
We've a got a new manager BTW. Kinda says it all when you don't already know that." The managerial merry go round continues…. . When will CB's realise that outside managers are there for one reason and one reason only…Surely there are people within Leitrim capable of managing their county team….? Maybe the same financial package would not be offered to them…?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3149 - 11/08/2024 10:20:11
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