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Replying To dave1988:  "We need a massive mentality change to. Once every so often we put in a 70 minute performance with aggression and intensity but 90% of the time we are flakey and only play good hard football for 15/20 minutes a game. After the Clare game flakey was the word I heard everyone call us. That's on the players themselves to get right also."
That's it, you can get away with that in the league but you get found out in championship.

It will be interesting to see how management approach the league. Do they get experimental at the risk of being relegated and maintain the yoyo trend or do they make small changes to try and stay up with tried and tested players? I think it's worth the risk being a bit more experimental. The tried and tested is getting stale and it will be of no benefit come championship. Saying that, injuries, lads stepping away from the panel and club (if any Roscommon teams go far in the club championships) might impact selections one way or the other.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 27/07/2022 15:37:44    2434903

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "3 requirements
Close marking
Stop letting opponent with ball saunter through unchallenged
Fast "transition". No more Pearses sideways and backwards walking pace handball."
Sideways backways needs to get the bin. All of the teams that are on an upward trajectory transition very quickly and there is just no way you will beat a decent team that gets a lot of men back with slow build up play.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 27/07/2022 15:42:20    2434907

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Sideways backways football is fine so long as its not over done. There isn't a team that doesn't do it nowadays. In the All-Ireland semi final recently Kerry held onto the ball for a good 5 minutes with sideways backways football before they eventually attacked an opening for a score. Dublin under Jim Gavin toyed with teams when they led towards the end of games would pass the ball all the way back to Cluxton to keep possession it was humorous when Dublin supporters booed Kerry for doing simliar against them three weeks ago.

Going back to Roscommon. Displine in tackle needs serious work. Clare 1-3 late on came from a penalty and two frees. Better teams doesn't give up opportunities like that and close games out better especially against opposition they are expected to beat.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2902 - 27/07/2022 16:33:29    2434919

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Sideways backways football is fine so long as its not over done. There isn't a team that doesn't do it nowadays. In the All-Ireland semi final recently Kerry held onto the ball for a good 5 minutes with sideways backways football before they eventually attacked an opening for a score. Dublin under Jim Gavin toyed with teams when they led towards the end of games would pass the ball all the way back to Cluxton to keep possession it was humorous when Dublin supporters booed Kerry for doing simliar against them three weeks ago.

Going back to Roscommon. Displine in tackle needs serious work. Clare 1-3 late on came from a penalty and two frees. Better teams doesn't give up opportunities like that and close games out better especially against opposition they are expected to beat."
It is a necessary evil no doubt at times but all too often when Roscommon win the ball in their own half, they attack very slowly and allow the opposition to stream back and get plenty of bodies behind the ball resulting in us having to work very hard to get scores and using up a lot of energy.

Coached tackling is badly needed, its either no tackle at all or we foul. That 1-2 from set balls is a damning stat.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 27/07/2022 17:10:34    2434934

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Club championship just a little over a week away

Can Pearses retain their crown or main challenger Brigids regain it? other contenders will be Clann,Boyle.Roscommon gaels. Dark horses Strokestown,Oran

Intermediate Dominics the clear favourites. Fuerty look like the main challenger.

Hopefully a first choice team Ballinameen,Micheals,Barrys etc are good enough to win the Junior A championship.

Round 1 fixtures

Senior
Oran v Roscommon Gaels
Boyle v Western Gaels
Clann na nGael v St Faithleachs
Pearses v Tulsk
Elphin v Michael Glaveys
St Brigids v Strokestown

Intermediate
St Croans v Creggs
Kilmore v Fuerty
St. Dominic's v Shannon Gaels
Castlerea v Kilbride
Eire Og v Clann na nGael B
St Brigids B v St Aidans

Junior A
St Barrys v St Ronans
Roscommon Gaels B v Kilglass Gaels
St Joseph's v Pearses B
Western Gaels B v St. Dominic's B
Ballinameen v Boyle B
St Michael's v Strokestown

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3202 - 27/07/2022 21:53:15    2434982

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "3 requirements
Close marking
Stop letting opponent with ball saunter through unchallenged
Fast "transition". No more Pearses sideways and backwards walking pace handball."
Done all right for pearses

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 717 - 28/07/2022 09:23:02    2434993

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Club championship just a little over a week away

Can Pearses retain their crown or main challenger Brigids regain it? other contenders will be Clann,Boyle.Roscommon gaels. Dark horses Strokestown,Oran

Intermediate Dominics the clear favourites. Fuerty look like the main challenger.

Hopefully a first choice team Ballinameen,Micheals,Barrys etc are good enough to win the Junior A championship.

Round 1 fixtures

Senior
Oran v Roscommon Gaels
Boyle v Western Gaels
Clann na nGael v St Faithleachs
Pearses v Tulsk
Elphin v Michael Glaveys
St Brigids v Strokestown

Intermediate
St Croans v Creggs
Kilmore v Fuerty
St. Dominic's v Shannon Gaels
Castlerea v Kilbride
Eire Og v Clann na nGael B
St Brigids B v St Aidans

Junior A
St Barrys v St Ronans
Roscommon Gaels B v Kilglass Gaels
St Joseph's v Pearses B
Western Gaels B v St. Dominic's B
Ballinameen v Boyle B
St Michael's v Strokestown"
Pearses, Dominics but Barry's won't be winning any junior chsp.

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1047 - 28/07/2022 09:50:27    2435002

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "True and I agree we were far too easy to play through but we had a good few chances early in that game that we missed through lack of composure. I'm not saying we would have won but that sucked life out of us while they opened up a gap which played perfectly into their style of play.

I can't remember what game it was, but a few years ago Brolly was analysing Roscommon misses in a Connacht championship game, I think it actually was our 2018 defeat to Galway in the Hyde. Roscommon got into good scoring positions but we missed chances either by making the wrong pass or rushing shots. Brolly commented that there was nearly too much emotion in Roscommon's play. A lot of the time, especially in big games it seems like the occassion gets to us. I think we were being tipped to win that game to get back to back Connachts with the game on home soil. Some of our scoring attemps in Salthill this year in the first half were like that and some in the first half against Clare as well. We definitely need some defensive expertise in the coaching team but we also need something on the sports psychology end of things as well. Galway, Derry and Armagh would have believed they could beat anybody they met in Croke Park this year, Roscommon just don't have that same belief."
The psychology side of things is a great point. All the big teams have one on board I'd say. We're all roaring for defense and changes and they are badly needed, but the team themselves seem to be able to switch on and off during games from quarter to quarter, so perhaps there is a lack of fixed and driven mindset that comes from having a good psychological outlook on where you are as a player and team. I suppose all this stems from having faith in your system of play so it's all connected, but a sports psychologist could only help the team grow as individuals and players.

SpanishRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 7 - 28/07/2022 10:26:32    2435022

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Club championship just a little over a week away

Can Pearses retain their crown or main challenger Brigids regain it? other contenders will be Clann,Boyle.Roscommon gaels. Dark horses Strokestown,Oran

Intermediate Dominics the clear favourites. Fuerty look like the main challenger.

Hopefully a first choice team Ballinameen,Micheals,Barrys etc are good enough to win the Junior A championship.

Round 1 fixtures

Senior
Oran v Roscommon Gaels
Boyle v Western Gaels
Clann na nGael v St Faithleachs
Pearses v Tulsk
Elphin v Michael Glaveys
St Brigids v Strokestown

Intermediate
St Croans v Creggs
Kilmore v Fuerty
St. Dominic's v Shannon Gaels
Castlerea v Kilbride
Eire Og v Clann na nGael B
St Brigids B v St Aidans

Junior A
St Barrys v St Ronans
Roscommon Gaels B v Kilglass Gaels
St Joseph's v Pearses B
Western Gaels B v St. Dominic's B
Ballinameen v Boyle B
St Michael's v Strokestown"
Senior - Brigids
Intermediate - Dominics
Junior - Pearses B

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 28/07/2022 12:31:49    2435057

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Replying To SpanishRossie:  "The psychology side of things is a great point. All the big teams have one on board I'd say. We're all roaring for defense and changes and they are badly needed, but the team themselves seem to be able to switch on and off during games from quarter to quarter, so perhaps there is a lack of fixed and driven mindset that comes from having a good psychological outlook on where you are as a player and team. I suppose all this stems from having faith in your system of play so it's all connected, but a sports psychologist could only help the team grow as individuals and players."
Your right, having faith on the system of play also huge factor in confidence. I get the feeling Roscommon teams can have belief in beating Mayo or Galway in a provincial game but don't seem to have the same confidence when they come up against teams of similar ability to those two outside the provincials like a Donegal or Tyrone as we saw in the Super 8's.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 28/07/2022 12:36:21    2435059

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Your right, having faith on the system of play also huge factor in confidence. I get the feeling Roscommon teams can have belief in beating Mayo or Galway in a provincial game but don't seem to have the same confidence when they come up against teams of similar ability to those two outside the provincials like a Donegal or Tyrone as we saw in the Super 8's."
Was seen against Armagh in the round 4 game too open defensively in 2018 to stand a chance in the Super 8s. Did a lot right but needed goals to overcome Tyrone in 2019, created some good opportunities if i recall right but didn't take them. Goals was key in that 2019 Connacht championship campaign in defeating both Mayo, Galway and of course conceding none themselves. Can Roscommon get back to the level they were at in 2019 or if it a case that they peaked as team then?

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2902 - 28/07/2022 16:46:48    2435132

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Was seen against Armagh in the round 4 game too open defensively in 2018 to stand a chance in the Super 8s. Did a lot right but needed goals to overcome Tyrone in 2019, created some good opportunities if i recall right but didn't take them. Goals was key in that 2019 Connacht championship campaign in defeating both Mayo, Galway and of course conceding none themselves. Can Roscommon get back to the level they were at in 2019 or if it a case that they peaked as team then?"
Yes, I thought they did very well against Tyrone in that game, who were there for the taking and yes, really did need a goal for them to win that game. Missed a couple of chances in the first half and then some poor shot selection for points. Potentially some have peaked which I think means management need to add to the new faces in the team (Hughes, McCormick, Nolan, Heneghan) to re energise things. Keith Doyle looks like he has great potenital plus hopefully a few others put the hand up during the club championship.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 28/07/2022 17:50:45    2435147

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Senior - Pearses
Intermediate - Fuerty
Junior - Pearses B

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 717 - 29/07/2022 09:08:15    2435175

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Senior
Oran v Roscommon Gaels - Oran by 2
Boyle v Western Gaels - Boyle by 3
Clann na nGael v St Faithleachs - Clann by 8+
Pearses v Tulsk - Pearses by 2
Elphin v Michael Glaveys - Elphin by 3
St Brigids v Strokestown - Brigids by 5

Senior championship has some dark horses in it i feel this year i think oran and boyle are in with a real shout but i think the winners will come from Brigids or Pearses. Glaveys and Faithleachs in the relegation battle.

Intermediate
St Croans v Creggs - Draw
Kilmore v Fuerty - Fuerty by 5
St. Dominic's v Shannon Gaels - Dominics by 6
Castlerea v Kilbride - Castlerea by 4
Eire Og v Clann na nGael B - Draw
St Brigids B v St Aidans - Brigids by 5

Can Dominics get over the line im not sure i think fuerty can do the business and with james bannon at the helm who done a great job with Josephs to cut his teeth last year they are moving in the right direction with promotion in the league.

Junior A
St Barrys v St Ronans - Ronans by 2
Roscommon Gaels B v Kilglass Gaels - Kilglass by 4
St Joseph's v Pearses B - Pearses by 10
Western Gaels B v St. Dominic's B - Western Gaels B by 2
Ballinameen v Boyle B - Ballinameen by 8
St Michael's v Strokestown - Strokestown by 2

Battle of the B teams unfortunately maybe Ballinameen with the best chance. St Josephs made a semi final last year can they go on another run - i dont think so. Pearses B to win it out

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 717 - 29/07/2022 09:18:38    2435177

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McStay, McHale, Rochford and Buckley potential candidates for the Mayo job. Their county board would be crazy not to go for that. We're in big trouble in Connacht if Cunningham does not get in some top class coaching talent. How can Mayo afford that and the massive debt their in and we seem to be the only Div 1 team that doesn't have a really strong backroom?

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 30/07/2022 09:34:00    2435332

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "Senior
Oran v Roscommon Gaels - Oran by 2
Boyle v Western Gaels - Boyle by 3
Clann na nGael v St Faithleachs - Clann by 8+
Pearses v Tulsk - Pearses by 2
Elphin v Michael Glaveys - Elphin by 3
St Brigids v Strokestown - Brigids by 5

Senior championship has some dark horses in it i feel this year i think oran and boyle are in with a real shout but i think the winners will come from Brigids or Pearses. Glaveys and Faithleachs in the relegation battle.

Intermediate
St Croans v Creggs - Draw
Kilmore v Fuerty - Fuerty by 5
St. Dominic's v Shannon Gaels - Dominics by 6
Castlerea v Kilbride - Castlerea by 4
Eire Og v Clann na nGael B - Draw
St Brigids B v St Aidans - Brigids by 5

Can Dominics get over the line im not sure i think fuerty can do the business and with james bannon at the helm who done a great job with Josephs to cut his teeth last year they are moving in the right direction with promotion in the league.

Junior A
St Barrys v St Ronans - Ronans by 2
Roscommon Gaels B v Kilglass Gaels - Kilglass by 4
St Joseph's v Pearses B - Pearses by 10
Western Gaels B v St. Dominic's B - Western Gaels B by 2
Ballinameen v Boyle B - Ballinameen by 8
St Michael's v Strokestown - Strokestown by 2

Battle of the B teams unfortunately maybe Ballinameen with the best chance. St Josephs made a semi final last year can they go on another run - i dont think so. Pearses B to win it out"
Would agree in Senior . Pearses , Brigids and possibly Boyle capable of lifting the crown . Would edge for Pearses tbh. In intermediate Dominics are the stand out team . Will beat most of the teams easily in the competition . They really should be getting over the line this year . Possibly Croans or Eire Og could give them some challenge but they should secure their Senior status for next year. Pearses B and possibly Dominics B and Ros Gaels B are the frontrunners for Junior A. There doesn't seem to be much threat from the non B teams tbh.

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1047 - 30/07/2022 11:25:33    2435343

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "McStay, McHale, Rochford and Buckley potential candidates for the Mayo job. Their county board would be crazy not to go for that. We're in big trouble in Connacht if Cunningham does not get in some top class coaching talent. How can Mayo afford that and the massive debt their in and we seem to be the only Div 1 team that doesn't have a really strong backroom?"
Mayo county board debt with MacHale Park is done separately with Croke Park it will a another decade and a half before that is paid off.

Mayo senior management teams are well looked after with wealthy business men. No expense is spared, one thing is for certain McStay won't need to strike another deal with AIB for behind scenes documentary in order to play for a Dublin Hotel for his panel of players.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 672 - 30/07/2022 14:09:54    2435413

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Going on league form this year it looks like the main challengers for the Junior A title will be Strokestown and Pearses for finishing 2nd and 3rd in Div 3. Barrys, Michaels, Ballinameen next in line who finished 4th, 5th and 6th in Div 3

Relegation between St Joseph's, Boyle going by league form.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3202 - 30/07/2022 14:43:06    2435419

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Going on league form this year it looks like the main challengers for the Junior A title will be Strokestown and Pearses for finishing 2nd and 3rd in Div 3. Barrys, Michaels, Ballinameen next in line who finished 4th, 5th and 6th in Div 3

Relegation between St Joseph's, Boyle going by league form."
Am I right in thinking a 1st team can't be relegated from Junior A??

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 30/07/2022 16:13:08    2435444

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "McStay, McHale, Rochford and Buckley potential candidates for the Mayo job. Their county board would be crazy not to go for that. We're in big trouble in Connacht if Cunningham does not get in some top class coaching talent. How can Mayo afford that and the massive debt their in and we seem to be the only Div 1 team that doesn't have a really strong backroom?"
I have spoken to a few mayo people and they all seem to want mike solan . Mayo people don't seem to be fans of mc stay and McHale. Definitely agree that Cunningham will be under pressure to add to backroom team. He really needs a big name

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 835 - 31/07/2022 12:58:09    2435588

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