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Comain Ros, most of our senior players this year came from the good u21 teams 2012 -16.
They are aged between 27 and 31.
How can they be "brought on further" at this stage.
After 2 broken Covid years they should have been mad hungry this year and at their mental and physical peak.
Instead they were mainly flat especially in Championship and even in the League they played in fits and starts.
That was good enough in what was in effect a 3 team Division 2 but not Championship, where you get found out if you're not right in mind and body.

However it would be nice to hear sonething from the Co Board on the manager situation and indeed Minor and u20 as well.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 21/07/2022 10:19:18    2433278

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If there is no stand out candidates applying for the role I would keep AC, but would 100% agree on a new defensive minded coach having to be brought in. But they need to get a move on, club championship starts in 2 weeks.

In relation to last years U20's - which ones would be likely to make a push that were not on the panel this year (was it just Carroll, Walsh and Doyle?). Daire Cregg maybe? Ben O'Carroll? Would be a big step up physically for some of the others.

Some very strange responses up above imo. Just because the players are happy for him to stay means they were happy with how they performed and they were happy with losing to Clare? Nonense.

Also, the comment RE them being "delighted to be out by July and off to the club championships in Chicago San Francisco etc." - isn't there only 2 players who went to America after losing the Clare game?

Ros13 (Roscommon) - Posts: 90 - 21/07/2022 10:26:22    2433283

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "I dont see any players blaming everyone else"
Same players have shone there failures on MC stay and Evans in the past.
They continually get beaten by perceived weaker opposition in championship (Clare couple of times Fermanagh, Sligo they nearly got overturned by New York)
There looking less and less a good championship team year after year.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1675 - 21/07/2022 10:54:12    2433297

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McGuinness said the difference between league and championship is intensity. Surely raising intensity levels coupled with a better defensive system is not beyond possible. Forget the last ten minutes of the Clare game, the rest of that second half Roscommon did what they hadn't done all championship (or since 2019), they tackled with intent and were very aggressive. They are able to do it but why did they wait for the second half of their third championship game? I like the Smiths but I think a captain needs to be someone who shows aggression and leads from the backline or middle. It's hard to know what players are like behind the scenes but Ultan Harney looks like a great captain, never shied away from a tackle all year and good going forward as well.

On the younger crew of lads, there might not have been many ready this year but surely there would be at least two in addtion to Keith Doyle ready for the wider panel this year?

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 21/07/2022 11:15:51    2433307

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Replying To howdareu:  "Don't know if that is the correct approach either? Sure mcgeeney is there years and still hasn't even won an ulster title. How many more chances are they going to give him?"
Giving him more time as McGeeney took over Armagh in Div 3 and next year will be their 3rd year in Div 1. They are an odd team in the Ulster championship, struggle to beat anyone but if play any ulster opposition in the qualifiers they normally win.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 672 - 21/07/2022 14:26:37    2433376

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Comain Ros, most of our senior players this year came from the good u21 teams 2012 -16.
They are aged between 27 and 31.
How can they be "brought on further" at this stage.
After 2 broken Covid years they should have been mad hungry this year and at their mental and physical peak.
Instead they were mainly flat especially in Championship and even in the League they played in fits and starts.
That was good enough in what was in effect a 3 team Division 2 but not Championship, where you get found out if you're not right in mind and body.

However it would be nice to hear sonething from the Co Board on the manager situation and indeed Minor and u20 as well."
The simple answer to your question 'How can they be brought on further?' is bring in better coaches and provide better facilities for the players. There is always room for improvement with every player. Do you believe that at that age they can get no better? I fully believe we have as talented a player as anywhere in the country but the lack of resources/facilities and maybe lack of coaches have held them back. Get a top defensive coach in along with AC would be a good start for the team. Hopefully then down the line a proper training centre is put in place with all the relevant weight facilities and everything else that goes with it. We also have a lot of talented youngsters coming through that will hopefully feed into the setup and drive the development of the county team further into the future. I know that it takes a lot of money to get such facilities in place but we are very lucky to have Club Rossie in place who are the driving force behind all monies being raised. I think we have a lot to be very optimistic about and we are in a much better place than most other counties. Just get the above in place and I think we can have plenty of bright years to come with Roscommon football.

ComainRos (Roscommon) - Posts: 59 - 22/07/2022 11:53:25    2433513

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The top teams that make the last four all have athleticism and speed. Not saying we are going to be challenging for all Ireland's but is there many on the Roscommon team that tick those two. I think we have improved in athleticism through conditioning but we do seem to lack speed especially in our half forwards and midfield. Speed seems to be a natural asset but is it something that can be improved? Mayo seem to produce a lot of players that tick both boxes and Galway seem to have them now as well, thinking Walsh, McDaid, Heaney, not to mention Comer. I know football seems to have gone in a direction where athleticism has trumped skill but Galway seem to be able to marry both.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 22/07/2022 19:12:40    2433610

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "The top teams that make the last four all have athleticism and speed. Not saying we are going to be challenging for all Ireland's but is there many on the Roscommon team that tick those two. I think we have improved in athleticism through conditioning but we do seem to lack speed especially in our half forwards and midfield. Speed seems to be a natural asset but is it something that can be improved? Mayo seem to produce a lot of players that tick both boxes and Galway seem to have them now as well, thinking Walsh, McDaid, Heaney, not to mention Comer. I know football seems to have gone in a direction where athleticism has trumped skill but Galway seem to be able to marry both."
Read somewhere that Galway only have 4 of the team that played Kerry in 2018 in the 26 tomorrow?
Some turnover.
We'd hardly have the numbers of good standard players for that .

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 23/07/2022 13:09:30    2433683

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Read somewhere that Galway only have 4 of the team that played Kerry in 2018 in the 26 tomorrow?
Some turnover.
We'd hardly have the numbers of good standard players for that ."
That's an astonishing turn over of players in four year's and makes what Joyce has done even more remarkable.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 23/07/2022 18:42:45    2433792

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Read somewhere that Galway only have 4 of the team that played Kerry in 2018 in the 26 tomorrow?
Some turnover.
We'd hardly have the numbers of good standard players for that ."
Would be 5. Johnny Heaney, Paul Conroy, Sean Kelly, Damien Comer and Shane Walsh. All players they'll be looking too for leadership tomorrow!


Kevin Walsh picked a certain type of players some that didn't even stand out at underage level. Joyce has focused more on underage stand outs plenty of their 2020 U20 All-Ireland winners and U21 All-Ireland runners up part of their 26 now and of course the experience of Silke, Conroy, Comer and Walsh. Gleeson in goal played against us in the 2011 minor final.

Year one under Cunningham we had a big turnover also. Only D Murray, C Devaney, T O'Rourke, E Smith, N Kilroy, D Murtagh started 2018 and 2019 Connacht finals. Things especially in the championship has gone stale since then, injection of youth will be needed next year and the only way to find out if they are good enough is to give them regular starts in Div 1 next spring.

Speaking off youth. Brigids and Roscommon Gaels have qualified for the Div 1 U20 semi finals today. Strokestown, Pearses, Boyle in a battle to join them. Clann requiring favours from elsewhere.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3202 - 23/07/2022 20:06:31    2433806

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Ros Gaels have a fine team by all accounts.
After 3 flat Championships by the County Senior team (2 could be part excused) definitely time to fire in younger lads.
Between 2017 u17s, 2020 Minors and 2011 u20s and good individuals from weak enough teams we must have a decent alternative 15 to try out.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 23/07/2022 20:56:35    2433815

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Best of luck Galway tomorrow. They were much better than us in the Connacht Final and have improved since. I do wonder sometimes will we ever see Roscommon back in an All Ireland senior football final. 1980 is a long time ago.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1765 - 23/07/2022 21:08:24    2433818

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Replying To endgame:  "Best of luck Galway tomorrow. They were much better than us in the Connacht Final and have improved since. I do wonder sometimes will we ever see Roscommon back in an All Ireland senior football final. 1980 is a long time ago."
A bit of self indulgent naval gazing here but in 98 and 01 we were probably the team that gave Galway their hardest games. Actually bet them well in 01 and very unlucky to lose the replay in 98. Do you think there was a glimmer of hope had we beaten them one of those times?

I hope I'm wrong but i think very hard now for Roscommon to get back to an all Ireland. There is such a huge correlation with population and finance. Could we afford to get in Cian O Neill and Bernard Dunne like Galway? I know there are other factors at play there like a large crop of very good underage teams coming through and a manager in Joyce and coach in Divilly that have won an AI before themselves.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 24/07/2022 11:23:06    2433857

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Was looking on a Galway Gaa site yesterday. They had 7 teams from u14, 15 and 16 playing in development competitions yesterday against teams like Kerry, Armagh, Kildare and Meath.
Anyone know had Roscommon any teams trying to be developed?

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 295 - 24/07/2022 12:24:11    2433867

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We must keep Anthony Cunningham.He is an intelligent man.Intelligent men learn from experience.
The downside of winning Div 2 was that we couldn't raise our intensity for the Championship. That's how psychology works.

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 311 - 24/07/2022 13:00:48    2433880

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Replying To reffingmad:  "Was looking on a Galway Gaa site yesterday. They had 7 teams from u14, 15 and 16 playing in development competitions yesterday against teams like Kerry, Armagh, Kildare and Meath.
Anyone know had Roscommon any teams trying to be developed?"
We have.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 24/07/2022 14:08:23    2433889

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Replying To worple:  "We must keep Anthony Cunningham.He is an intelligent man.Intelligent men learn from experience.
The downside of winning Div 2 was that we couldn't raise our intensity for the Championship. That's how psychology works."
What did he learn from the previous 2 years? Because it was the same sh1t for championship this year

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 295 - 24/07/2022 14:12:21    2433890

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1-20,1-20 and 2-16 we scored against Galway this year and today 0-20 enough for Kerry to win by 4. Needlessly to say our defence and huge scores conceded requires the most work.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3202 - 24/07/2022 17:32:08    2433946

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Replying To reffingmad:  "What did he learn from the previous 2 years? Because it was the same sh1t for championship this year"
Worple's post is a wind up. Must be. Separately hard luck Galway today but Roscommon should have kicked more high ball in on top of their goalkeeper on May 29 and we might be Connacht champions. The Galway goalkeeper is an absolute liability.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1765 - 24/07/2022 18:35:14    2433980

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Hard luck to Galway today and they just came up short in terms of strength in depth particularly in forward line and in experience but they'll ha e gained some of that today. Conroy got a big hit early on and he was out of match for long periods. It was no surprise both of the older players were taken off both teams today.

Where is Cooke for Galway as he would have offered something or the other Daly brother. Galway will have to find a forward or two to chip in with scores. Finnerty amd Comer held today and it was all on Walsh"s shoulders and great assisted by McDaid. Kerry just had more options up front amd off bench amd were just deserving winners.

Compare Galway to Ross this year Galway got better each day after league including today while roscommon got worse each day. That is a damming reflection of all involved.

In relation to the minor manager he has a second year and will be staying on. It is my understanding that both the terms of the u20 manager and the senior manager are up so nominations will be required amd then have to be ratified by clubs. Until Antrim appointed McEntee recently 10 counties were/are looking for new managers and Dublin could be also as early as Wednesday.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 207 - 24/07/2022 20:52:42    2434059

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