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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Cheers Viking. Glad to get some perspective from someone who actually saw it." I never say it but if there is a player who I would give the benefit of the "not that kind of player" doubt to, it would be TK.
Best of luck to the Banner county. Top supporters as they showed on Saturday. Would like to see them win the All-Ireland from here. Them or Galway.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 20/06/2022 11:54:44
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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To ExiledInWex: "I won't fault our supporters one bit, we sold well over 7000 tickets I was told yesterday ironic seeing fellas criticizing Wexford fans who don't even hail from here and didnt even go to the game themselves.
tearintom,
I will have you know tearintom I was actually there. I got fully behind the team even though you correctly point out that I "don't even hail from here". I was shouting my head off for Wexford.
I will also have you know I coach hurling and football in our local club and always help out with fundraising, selling Model County tickets and things.
I did more yesterday than all but the most loyal Wexford supporter and do more in my club than many Wexford people who "do even hail from here".
Wexford people wouldn't drive to Portlaoise if they wouldn't drive to Thurles. You are kidding yourself if you think Thurles was a problem, Wexford don't play in that many quarter finals FFS." Me too EIW. Don't think he was talking about us though."
One of the joys of being a blow-in, no matter what you do you will ever be thus!
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 20/06/2022 11:56:14
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Would it be fair to say, Wexford are more than capable of winning a Leinster title, but probably not good enough to win an All Ireland.
Within Leinster everyone in the top four is as good as each other on any given day. You could miss out on qualification in the top three as easily as win the Leinster championship.
Next year we will be home to Kilkenny, Westmeath and Antrim (would need to check this) and away to Dublin and Galway.
Certain wins against Westmeath and Antrim, pick up at least one win on the road and beat Kilkenny on our home patch.
Be interesting to see who is Dublin manager by the time next year begins. Hard to see them sticking with Mattie Kenny for another year.
What are Wexford lacking to be genuine serious All Ireland contenders?
Consistency ?
Solid Free taker ?" Missing:
1. Supporters
2. Subs to change a game, or give the manager a selection headache
3. Killer instinct to finish off teams once we have them on the floor.
4. Fitness levels to last 80+ minutes. And extra time if needed.
5. Supporter patience over league matches
Number 1 is up to Wexford people. Saturday was the worst support I can ever remember from Wexford people for a game so big. I first went to Wexford matches around 04-05, and my father kept going and bringing us through those awful late 00's and early 10's with only 07 v Tipp sticking out. Otherwise it was beatings until 2013 v Clare. Some players drive 2 hours each way to training a few nights a week all year, and supporters wouldn't do it for an All-Ireland Quarter Final on a warm day. Wexford supporters use to be the 16th man.
Number 3 will be solved once number 2 is. We need finishers to matches, every sub who came on came on because a player was done, and we lost any semblance of shape then and Clare took over. We need a sub to replace every player and fit in seamlessly. Easier said than done.
Number 4 is a curious one. Limerick, Clare were able to carry on for extra time in the Munster final at a ferocious intensity. We are done on 55-60 minutes. Why? Is our gameplan too energetic?
Number 5 Wexford fans would lose their nut over a league loss to Antrim, even if 5 new players played the whole match and got the whole game. Limerick didn't take the league seriously this year and were on a holiday in Jan, while we were at a great level of fitness. You need to peak for summer, not March.
We also need to be winning Tony Forristal's, minor and u20s and to focus on developing these age groups to the standard of the top counties.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 20/06/2022 12:35:26
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Replying To Viking66: "That was me. When you are running with a hurl it goes back and forward with your arm. There didn't seem to be a pronounced swing backwards. Wex98 knows Shane personally. I'd say only Shane and Tony know the real truth." No Viking, Shane went stop him making a run, Tony deliberately buried him with the butt of the hurl, he took off on the run then.
If it was Austin Gleeson, he'd have been tried sentenced and executed by now.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 20/06/2022 13:47:58
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Would it be fair to say, Wexford are more than capable of winning a Leinster title, but probably not good enough to win an All Ireland.
Within Leinster everyone in the top four is as good as each other on any given day. You could miss out on qualification in the top three as easily as win the Leinster championship.
Next year we will be home to Kilkenny, Westmeath and Antrim (would need to check this) and away to Dublin and Galway.
Certain wins against Westmeath and Antrim, pick up at least one win on the road and beat Kilkenny on our home patch.
Be interesting to see who is Dublin manager by the time next year begins. Hard to see them sticking with Mattie Kenny for another year.
What are Wexford lacking to be genuine serious All Ireland contenders?
Consistency ?
Solid Free taker ?" We had a good 18 or 19 player 1st team championship standard group this year and a good young progressive management team in Darragh, Niall and the lads. I don't think we should be losing any of these by the looks of it. We need-
1-Consistency and belief.
2-Some more backs. Hopefully Joe OC, Bailey, Murphy, and Nolan will be back all of whom have started championship games for us. AJ looked very good in the corner for ITC this year and for the u20s. Scallan got Senior gametime also so hopefully will get more next year also. We had nobody to bring on who were natural backs when the 2 Recks got injured.
3-Midfielders and Half forwards some with size. McGuckin got alot of S and C done over the last year but is still light. Be good to see Hearne get more time during the League. Nolan an option here. And Flood especially if Bailey and Murphy are back. Dunbar also.
4- we need less injuries to key players. Chin, ROC and the 2 Recks fell into that category against Clare. Dee also didn't look 100%. Luck I suppose!
5- Some of the fringe players like Higgins, Edwards, Clarke, Casey, Banville, Lawlors x2, Byrne and the other u20s like Foley and Tucker not already mentioned to have a breakout season.
6- Mac to get his mojo back.
7- more luck!
Think we could be AI contenders if all that fell into place. Not beyond the realms of reality.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 20/06/2022 14:19:09
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Replying To ExiledInWex: " Replying To Viking66: "[quote=ExiledInWex: "I won't fault our supporters one bit, we sold well over 7000 tickets I was told yesterday ironic seeing fellas criticizing Wexford fans who don't even hail from here and didnt even go to the game themselves.
tearintom,
I will have you know tearintom I was actually there. I got fully behind the team even though you correctly point out that I "don't even hail from here". I was shouting my head off for Wexford.
I will also have you know I coach hurling and football in our local club and always help out with fundraising, selling Model County tickets and things.
I did more yesterday than all but the most loyal Wexford supporter and do more in my club than many Wexford people who "do even hail from here".
Wexford people wouldn't drive to Portlaoise if they wouldn't drive to Thurles. You are kidding yourself if you think Thurles was a problem, Wexford don't play in that many quarter finals FFS." Me too EIW. Don't think he was talking about us though."
One of the joys of being a blow-in, no matter what you do you will ever be thus!"]Yep no harm us being here to keep the true Wexicans on their toes!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 20/06/2022 14:20:22
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Would it be fair to say, Wexford are more than capable of winning a Leinster title, but probably not good enough to win an All Ireland.
Within Leinster everyone in the top four is as good as each other on any given day. You could miss out on qualification in the top three as easily as win the Leinster championship.
Next year we will be home to Kilkenny, Westmeath and Antrim (would need to check this) and away to Dublin and Galway.
Certain wins against Westmeath and Antrim, pick up at least one win on the road and beat Kilkenny on our home patch.
Be interesting to see who is Dublin manager by the time next year begins. Hard to see them sticking with Mattie Kenny for another year.
What are Wexford lacking to be genuine serious All Ireland contenders?
Consistency ?
Solid Free taker ?" Well Wexford drew with Galway and Galway knocked out Cork.
Cork bet Waterford and Tipp.
The only gap I see is Limerick ahead of the rest.
Wexford well able to beat any of the rest on any given day.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 725 - 20/06/2022 14:22:26
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Missing:
1. Supporters
2. Subs to change a game, or give the manager a selection headache
3. Killer instinct to finish off teams once we have them on the floor.
4. Fitness levels to last 80+ minutes. And extra time if needed.
5. Supporter patience over league matches
Number 1 is up to Wexford people. Saturday was the worst support I can ever remember from Wexford people for a game so big. I first went to Wexford matches around 04-05, and my father kept going and bringing us through those awful late 00's and early 10's with only 07 v Tipp sticking out. Otherwise it was beatings until 2013 v Clare. Some players drive 2 hours each way to training a few nights a week all year, and supporters wouldn't do it for an All-Ireland Quarter Final on a warm day. Wexford supporters use to be the 16th man.
Number 3 will be solved once number 2 is. We need finishers to matches, every sub who came on came on because a player was done, and we lost any semblance of shape then and Clare took over. We need a sub to replace every player and fit in seamlessly. Easier said than done.
Number 4 is a curious one. Limerick, Clare were able to carry on for extra time in the Munster final at a ferocious intensity. We are done on 55-60 minutes. Why? Is our gameplan too energetic?
Number 5 Wexford fans would lose their nut over a league loss to Antrim, even if 5 new players played the whole match and got the whole game. Limerick didn't take the league seriously this year and were on a holiday in Jan, while we were at a great level of fitness. You need to peak for summer, not March.
We also need to be winning Tony Forristal's, minor and u20s and to focus on developing these age groups to the standard of the top counties." Underage success is a bonus and necessary going forward but this group aren't so far off the pace that we need to wait on some 14 year old stars to burst onto the senior scene in 6 years time. Supporters who really give a #### a necessity. Real supporters of any team follow through thick and thin and give the players a boost when they most need it. I.e. when they are down. I remember going up on the motorbike to all those double headers in Croker in the late 00s knowing our footballers had a better, if still small, chance of winning their LFSF than our hurlers had of beating KK. BUT I STILL WENT AND STAYED TO THE BITTER END.
Think Egan got our timing better. Dwyer tired ok but was carrying a knock and Mac always looks tired but I don't think tiredness caused our loss this time. He will have learnt an awful lot about an awful lot this year. Well about everything really. It was his 1st year doing this at this level.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 20/06/2022 14:28:07
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Replying To WEX98: "No Viking, Shane went stop him making a run, Tony deliberately buried him with the butt of the hurl, he took off on the run then.
If it was Austin Gleeson, he'd have been tried sentenced and executed by now." Did Shane say that WEX98? If he did I'd believe him. Nothing to be gained at this stage by making stuff up. We are out anyway. They were both running together when Shane went down as far as I could see. He kinda somersaulted over and ended up prone holding his ##### and TK stayed moving forward. Don't think they were stopped for any of it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 20/06/2022 14:32:21
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Replying To Past hurler: "Well Wexford drew with Galway and Galway knocked out Cork.
Cork bet Waterford and Tipp.
The only gap I see is Limerick ahead of the rest.
Wexford well able to beat any of the rest on any given day." Yeah very true but our problem seems to be we can't back up a big win with another big win. Realistically to win an All Ireland Wexford would need at least 4 and probably five of these to win an All Ireland in a row.
Probably have to beat 2 or 3 Munster teams to win an All Ireland.
hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 20/06/2022 14:39:12
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "Would it be fair to say, Wexford are more than capable of winning a Leinster title, but probably not good enough to win an All Ireland.
Within Leinster everyone in the top four is as good as each other on any given day. You could miss out on qualification in the top three as easily as win the Leinster championship.
Next year we will be home to Kilkenny, Westmeath and Antrim (would need to check this) and away to Dublin and Galway.
Certain wins against Westmeath and Antrim, pick up at least one win on the road and beat Kilkenny on our home patch.
Be interesting to see who is Dublin manager by the time next year begins. Hard to see them sticking with Mattie Kenny for another year.
What are Wexford lacking to be genuine serious All Ireland contenders?
Consistency ?
Solid Free taker ?" Chin was excellent on frees against Kerry and again against Clare on Saturday.
Consistancy is a problem and there's no easy answer to that problem.
Maybe some of the very good u20 team will play themselves into contention during the upcoming local championship.
I am fairly certain that we would now be facing the cats in the semi final if our key players didn't hobble off during the game.
Strengthening the panel is essential going forward. Some of the current team have seen better days. We all know who they are and it must be said they have given great service for many years but there comes a time to bow out and give others a chance .
I don't like saying that but i feel it would benefit us in the medium term. A little tweaking in certain positions is required. Darragh Egan said he would be keeping a close eye on the club scene so hopefully some lads will put their hands up and freshen up the team.
Samson55 (Wexford) - Posts: 103 - 20/06/2022 14:40:21
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Missing:
1. Supporters
2. Subs to change a game, or give the manager a selection headache
3. Killer instinct to finish off teams once we have them on the floor.
4. Fitness levels to last 80+ minutes. And extra time if needed.
5. Supporter patience over league matches
Number 1 is up to Wexford people. Saturday was the worst support I can ever remember from Wexford people for a game so big. I first went to Wexford matches around 04-05, and my father kept going and bringing us through those awful late 00's and early 10's with only 07 v Tipp sticking out. Otherwise it was beatings until 2013 v Clare. Some players drive 2 hours each way to training a few nights a week all year, and supporters wouldn't do it for an All-Ireland Quarter Final on a warm day. Wexford supporters use to be the 16th man.
Number 3 will be solved once number 2 is. We need finishers to matches, every sub who came on came on because a player was done, and we lost any semblance of shape then and Clare took over. We need a sub to replace every player and fit in seamlessly. Easier said than done.
Number 4 is a curious one. Limerick, Clare were able to carry on for extra time in the Munster final at a ferocious intensity. We are done on 55-60 minutes. Why? Is our gameplan too energetic?
Number 5 Wexford fans would lose their nut over a league loss to Antrim, even if 5 new players played the whole match and got the whole game. Limerick didn't take the league seriously this year and were on a holiday in Jan, while we were at a great level of fitness. You need to peak for summer, not March.
We also need to be winning Tony Forristal's, minor and u20s and to focus on developing these age groups to the standard of the top counties." Good post . Agree fully with number 1 . We cant under estimate how big an impact a huge Wexford support can have on the lads .
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 20/06/2022 14:54:03
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Replying To Afinestick: "Good post . Agree fully with number 1 . We cant under estimate how big an impact a huge Wexford support can have on the lads ." I said in a previous post, myself and my 6 year son were surrounded by about 200 Clare fans (lovely people btw) in the stand and the roars when Clare made the comeback lifted the roof!
Never ever underestimate a huge crowds ability to get a team over the line in a tight game.
I felt embarrassed by the pathetic Wexford support.
In 2019, the support in the Leinster final v KK and in the semi v Tipp was off the charts and drove the team on.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 725 - 20/06/2022 15:49:20
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https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/darragh-egan-already-planning-for-2023-with-developing-wexford-41769345.html
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 20/06/2022 16:12:22
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So championship starting for some clubs in 6 days times, others 8 days.
Anyone else feel this whole championship is going to be far far too rushed both football and hurling
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Firstly, I'd like to say Thanks to all the players and management on a competitive year. You went out and gave it your all, so thanks for all your commitment and effort.
Best of luck to Clare going forward. Fair play to Brian Lohan, in the post-match interview giving credit to Wexford for a hard-fought game.
I won't go into the match in any great detail, because it has already been said here and I agree with most of it.
What I will say is that when you look at the statistics, Clare had 6 scoring forwards and 2 more scoring forwards came off the bench to score multiple times - so 8 scoring forwards in total.
Ultimately, this was the difference - they had more scoring forwards and most of them scored multiple times.
Put simply, we didn't have that fire power. The loss of Rory O'Connor was huge.
In that light, Chin's contribution with 1-8(0-6f) was immense and very impressive given he was injured for the 2nd half.
So we lost to Clare, with Rory gone off injured, Chin injured for the 2nd half and Mac held scoreless which is a rare thing.
In summary, we needed another 2-3 more scoring forwards to compliment Oisin Foley, Jack O & Mikey Dwyer and come off the bench and score those points.
Going forward, the good news for us is five-fold.
1. We have good enough backs/midfield/strategy that made us very competitive despite our forwards not scoring enough. When we have more forwards, we will be a match for anybody.
2. Darragh Egan now gets to watch a full club championship and maybe unearth a few club players than were overlooked in the past. Maybe there's a hidden gem or two there somewhere. If I was a club player, I'd be super motivated to do well because I think Darragh Egan is a bright guy who will give guys a go.
3. We have good quality players to return to the fold … Bailey, Shaun Murphy, Aidan Nolan and Joe O'Connor (and apologies if I missed anybody).
4. Also, Darragh Egan will have a chance to work with this years U-20's, who by springtime next year will be a year older, bigger and wiser. I genuinely think that the future is bright because our area for most improvement is the forwards and between the 6 starting forwards for the U-20's in the leinster final + Tucker + Oisin Pepper + that young minor Cillian Byrne … there's 9 forwards at least in the pipeline. How they will develop, only time will tell but that's a decent pipeline coming on stream within the next few years.
5. I think the Darragh Egan, Niall + others management team are very good and we are lucky to have them. First year in and they are only going to get better.
A special word must also go to the 2 Recks … Tony Kelly and Shane O'Donnell will probably will All Stars and maybe even Hurler of the year (and rightly so) … both Recks did a superb job on them. So let's make sure we appreciate how good these Recks are and give them credit for being great hurlers.
Up Wexford!
Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 20/06/2022 16:31:45
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Replying To Samson55: "Chin was excellent on frees against Kerry and again against Clare on Saturday.
Consistancy is a problem and there's no easy answer to that problem.
Maybe some of the very good u20 team will play themselves into contention during the upcoming local championship.
I am fairly certain that we would now be facing the cats in the semi final if our key players didn't hobble off during the game.
Strengthening the panel is essential going forward. Some of the current team have seen better days. We all know who they are and it must be said they have given great service for many years but there comes a time to bow out and give others a chance .
I don't like saying that but i feel it would benefit us in the medium term. A little tweaking in certain positions is required. Darragh Egan said he would be keeping a close eye on the club scene so hopefully some lads will put their hands up and freshen up the team." I think Darragh Egan knows where he wants to take this group of players.
If he can get a few of the under 20s some S&C and up to speed hurling wise and the know-how to the system he plays between now and next April, they will add that much needed pace and youth to the final 15mins that is needed when legs tire.
Tactically Wexford subs couldn't get going against Clare, the Recks had it down to a tee.
I am optimistic for a big 2023 from Wexford and a Leinster title.
Conor Mac has a bit of work to do, he needs competition for that number 14 jersey, I think somebody taking that jersey off him for a while would up the competition stakes.
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Replying To Viking66: "Did Shane say that WEX98? If he did I'd believe him. Nothing to be gained at this stage by making stuff up. We are out anyway. They were both running together when Shane went down as far as I could see. He kinda somersaulted over and ended up prone holding his ##### and TK stayed moving forward. Don't think they were stopped for any of it." He did.
Exactly, we're looking forward to the club championship.
Hon Oylegate
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 20/06/2022 17:23:42
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Replying To tearintom: "So championship starting for some clubs in 6 days times, others 8 days.
Anyone else feel this whole championship is going to be far far too rushed both football and hurling" No, its high summer. Get as many rounds played before end of August I say.
We are a dual county and don't have the luxury to give weekends off unless we want to be playing football in the muck and dirt.
Bring it on I say and hope all is done by the end of October latest.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 20/06/2022 17:34:32
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Replying To Viking66: "Did Shane say that WEX98? If he did I'd believe him. Nothing to be gained at this stage by making stuff up. We are out anyway. They were both running together when Shane went down as far as I could see. He kinda somersaulted over and ended up prone holding his ##### and TK stayed moving forward. Don't think they were stopped for any of it." That's what I saw Viking and I have the utmost respect for tk tk came back and tried to pull him up off the ground but reck was in too much pain. Couple of texts came into Shane Stapletons pod but they wouldn't say anything
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