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In Senior I think Shels will beat the Annes comfortably enough while I think a bit of extra firepower could get Castletown over the line vs St james, think Martins might have enough to beat Bunclody in the relegation play off.

Intermediate I think Horeswood will have to much for Cushinstown, might be bad for Viking's nerves but a penalty shoot out wouldn't shock me in Fethard/ Taghmon, its very hard to call, might go with Taghmon in that game. Think after staving off relegation for a few years Bannow might lose to Duffry on Saturday.

In Intermediate A reckon Adamstown will have a good bit to spare over the Vols while Rosslare will edge Cloughbawn in a close one, think Gorey's 2nd string might drop back to Junior.

In Junior fancy Kilanerin to beat Sars and Blackwater to beat Monageer, I'd imagine Gusserane's injuries at senior level have impaired to efforts at Junior calling up players etc so think they might drop down.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 416 - 03/10/2022 14:11:56    2442648

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Replying To Viking66:  "Just watched it the tackle was late OK. Not sure there was that much intent to cause serious injury though. It looked like he wanted to tackle Porter then realised he was too far behind and his momentum carried him into Porters planted foot. It wasn't studs up soccer style."
Are you actually serious ? he was even looking at his ankle The only intent here was to cause serious harm in a moment of rage this was a potential leg-breaker and there is no room for it in GAA

RobertBoucher (Wexford) - Posts: 9 - 03/10/2022 14:15:54    2442649

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There seems to be a groundswell of talk now about the split season, Wexford GAA seem to be doing a lot of talking about it, every interview has a question about it and theres even a full 16 minute discussion about it on there recently. Its fair to say i think the County Board dont really want it to continue.

Look in my opinion it doesnt work, we need to return to alternate weeks or else alternate every second year that football goes first but we know that theres not a hope in hell that will happen if left to the clubs to vote on it which basically means alternate weeks is the best option.

As low as football is i think if we continue with the current split system its going to make it far worse.

Hopefully clubs will look at this and go that way, other counties make it work so we can too.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1050 - 05/10/2022 11:33:53    2442857

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Replying To tearintom:  "There seems to be a groundswell of talk now about the split season, Wexford GAA seem to be doing a lot of talking about it, every interview has a question about it and theres even a full 16 minute discussion about it on there recently. Its fair to say i think the County Board dont really want it to continue.

Look in my opinion it doesnt work, we need to return to alternate weeks or else alternate every second year that football goes first but we know that theres not a hope in hell that will happen if left to the clubs to vote on it which basically means alternate weeks is the best option.

As low as football is i think if we continue with the current split system its going to make it far worse.

Hopefully clubs will look at this and go that way, other counties make it work so we can too."
Taught that video was a fair and balanced discussion on the matter, personally I'd go back to alternate weeks too, don't think it was any harm to try a block of 1 code then the other, sometimes in life you have to take these radical moves to work out the best system. Main reason I'd go back to the old format is this year an injury at the wrong time could end a player's season in a code, with alternate weekends a player could get back a couple of months later for a quarter final for example. Taught Mick Doyle was on the money about his point of football being played in a block 1st, this would be the worst option in my view as alot of clubs would completely blaggard football, train for hurling right through and ultimately devalue the football championship.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 416 - 05/10/2022 12:25:44    2442861

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I had said it the last time this very topic was debated on here that the fairest way would be a slight tweak to the alternate weeks, and noticed it was referenced in passing in the recent video.

TWO WEEKS HURLING-TWO WEEKS FOOTBALL-ONE WEEK HURLING-ONE WEEK FOOTBALL-PLAY HURLING OUT FOR A FINISH-CONCLUDE THE FOOTBALL.

Would still have the group stages as they are, but will at least eliminate the risk of one injury ruling a fella out all season. It wasn't too long ago that we would have started on the Easter bank holiday weekend, play a couple of rounds and break for the inter-county seasons without knowing when we'd be out again.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1282 - 05/10/2022 12:55:47    2442867

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Replying To beano:  "I had said it the last time this very topic was debated on here that the fairest way would be a slight tweak to the alternate weeks, and noticed it was referenced in passing in the recent video.

TWO WEEKS HURLING-TWO WEEKS FOOTBALL-ONE WEEK HURLING-ONE WEEK FOOTBALL-PLAY HURLING OUT FOR A FINISH-CONCLUDE THE FOOTBALL.

Would still have the group stages as they are, but will at least eliminate the risk of one injury ruling a fella out all season. It wasn't too long ago that we would have started on the Easter bank holiday weekend, play a couple of rounds and break for the inter-county seasons without knowing when we'd be out again."
Will playing Football first improve the quality of it or the attendance figures .. I doubt it very much .. The split season is suiting dual clubs as they can concentrate on one code.

And this alternative weeks in Underage is making a mess of things in my opinion - We are in October now and still no U17 finals played .. 3 weeks between Q/Fs and S/Fs and another 3 weeks between S/Fs and Finals .. Very difficult to keep teams and lads interested and fully engaged.

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 95 - 05/10/2022 14:45:47    2442881

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "Will playing Football first improve the quality of it or the attendance figures .. I doubt it very much .. The split season is suiting dual clubs as they can concentrate on one code.

And this alternative weeks in Underage is making a mess of things in my opinion - We are in October now and still no U17 finals played .. 3 weeks between Q/Fs and S/Fs and another 3 weeks between S/Fs and Finals .. Very difficult to keep teams and lads interested and fully engaged."
And most clubs in the county are dual clubs. The alternate weeks system favours the really big clubs who have more players or the few clubs who concentrate on just 1 code.
Football has been declining over the last decade. Long before the split season was introduced. If we want spectators back at football games there needs to be radical reforms of the rules to make it more exciting. Its gone a hard watch at all adult levels in recent years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 05/10/2022 15:08:55    2442885

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Replying To Viking66:  "And most clubs in the county are dual clubs. The alternate weeks system favours the really big clubs who have more players or the few clubs who concentrate on just 1 code.
Football has been declining over the last decade. Long before the split season was introduced. If we want spectators back at football games there needs to be radical reforms of the rules to make it more exciting. Its gone a hard watch at all adult levels in recent years."
Every system favours big clubs who have more players. Just the way it is

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 463 - 05/10/2022 15:12:47    2442886

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "Will playing Football first improve the quality of it or the attendance figures .. I doubt it very much .. The split season is suiting dual clubs as they can concentrate on one code.

And this alternative weeks in Underage is making a mess of things in my opinion - We are in October now and still no U17 finals played .. 3 weeks between Q/Fs and S/Fs and another 3 weeks between S/Fs and Finals .. Very difficult to keep teams and lads interested and fully engaged."
But isn't age group overlaps e.g the best 3-4 players on a clubs u15 team also on their u17 team a factor in that?

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 416 - 05/10/2022 15:43:25    2442894

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Every system favours big clubs who have more players. Just the way it is"
The split season evens it up somewhat. Nearly all our 1st team hurlers will be togging out for our 1st team football semi on Saturday. Save for an injury or 2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 05/10/2022 15:48:26    2442897

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Personally while focusing on one code suits our own club, from a player and fairness point of view, it probably needs to be two weeks one code, 2 weeks the other and the once the quarters focus on one code.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 05/10/2022 16:25:11    2442902

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Replying To beano:  "I had said it the last time this very topic was debated on here that the fairest way would be a slight tweak to the alternate weeks, and noticed it was referenced in passing in the recent video.

TWO WEEKS HURLING-TWO WEEKS FOOTBALL-ONE WEEK HURLING-ONE WEEK FOOTBALL-PLAY HURLING OUT FOR A FINISH-CONCLUDE THE FOOTBALL.

Would still have the group stages as they are, but will at least eliminate the risk of one injury ruling a fella out all season. It wasn't too long ago that we would have started on the Easter bank holiday weekend, play a couple of rounds and break for the inter-county seasons without knowing when we'd be out again."
In theory, sounds like the best option, and I particularly like how somebody who prefers or only plays one code would have extra time to recover from injury before the next match or matches in that code is played.

In reality, I think the same thing would happen as others are saying would happen if football was run first - i.e. that the "hurling clubs" would continue to concentrate on hurling even in the weeks of a football match, which wouldn't do the football any favours.

That's the way it always was in my own club before the split season, and some players with a strong preference for hurling didn't play football at all. But for the past couple of years, every single one of our senior hurlers have played football as well, and there's been more football training than was ever the case when things used to swap between one and the other.

If pushed though, think I'd still opt for alternating between the two in blocks like you've outlined yourself.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1277 - 05/10/2022 16:27:35    2442903

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In theory, sounds like the best option, and I particularly like how somebody who prefers or only plays one code would have extra time to recover from injury before the next match or matches in that code is played.

In reality, I think the same thing would happen as others are saying would happen if football was run first - i.e. that the "hurling clubs" would continue to concentrate on hurling even in the weeks of a football match, which wouldn't do the football any favours.

That's the way it always was in my own club before the split season, and some players with a strong preference for hurling didn't play football at all. But for the past couple of years, every single one of our senior hurlers have played football as well, and there's been more football training than was ever the case when things used to swap between one and the other.

If pushed though, think I'd still opt for alternating between the two in blocks like you've outlined yourself."
Therein lies the problem Pikeman.
If it is 2 weeks of each, many clubs will give football the short shrift. This is not "anti football", this is the reality. Winning a Wexford hurling title, either senior or intermediate, is what almost every club wants.
I can see hurling clubs using the football weeks as "recovery" and then the dual clubs complaining about the advantage they are getting.
There is no perfect solution. Maybe 2-2-3-3 then knockout in each is the answer. Not an easy one to work out.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 472 - 06/10/2022 09:02:24    2442936

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No matter what system is there you are still going to get clubs and players concentrating on one code.

We have intermediate football teams concentrating on hurling in the middle of a football championship as it is. We have teams further down the levels more than capable of winning the football grade they are in but simply putting out a team and doign zero training for football and happy with their success in hurling and not going to get relegated. We currently have dual clubs missing their best footballers who finished up when the hurling finished.

Ive heard a rumour of one senior dual club who are missing one of their best footballers that wanted a break and is off playing a bit of soccer as its less intense than going though another 6/7 weeks of football training. We have some top hurlers in the county finished everything in 5/6/7 weeks in early August and not training again until 2023. Im not sure how that serves anyone to be honest.

At least with alternate weeks we dont have the situation where players are missing most of their championship due to what are sometimes mild enough injuries that just require time to recover.

Theres no system thats going to stop teams and players focusing on one code but we need one thats fair to both codes imho.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1050 - 06/10/2022 10:55:09    2442949

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Therein lies the problem Pikeman.
If it is 2 weeks of each, many clubs will give football the short shrift. This is not "anti football", this is the reality. Winning a Wexford hurling title, either senior or intermediate, is what almost every club wants.
I can see hurling clubs using the football weeks as "recovery" and then the dual clubs complaining about the advantage they are getting.
There is no perfect solution. Maybe 2-2-3-3 then knockout in each is the answer. Not an easy one to work out."
I just think no matter what structure is in place issues will arise, going off social media and a couple of post game interviews last weekend those with a preference for football aren't happy with the current calendar. Everything weighted up alternate weekends of some kind weather 2 hurling 2 football, 1 hurling 1 football is probably the fairest way.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 416 - 06/10/2022 11:09:00    2442954

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Replying To tearintom:  "No matter what system is there you are still going to get clubs and players concentrating on one code.

We have intermediate football teams concentrating on hurling in the middle of a football championship as it is. We have teams further down the levels more than capable of winning the football grade they are in but simply putting out a team and doign zero training for football and happy with their success in hurling and not going to get relegated. We currently have dual clubs missing their best footballers who finished up when the hurling finished.

Ive heard a rumour of one senior dual club who are missing one of their best footballers that wanted a break and is off playing a bit of soccer as its less intense than going though another 6/7 weeks of football training. We have some top hurlers in the county finished everything in 5/6/7 weeks in early August and not training again until 2023. Im not sure how that serves anyone to be honest.

At least with alternate weeks we dont have the situation where players are missing most of their championship due to what are sometimes mild enough injuries that just require time to recover.

Theres no system thats going to stop teams and players focusing on one code but we need one thats fair to both codes imho."
Agree system changes aren't going to improve the situation where players in some clubs don't want to play football or don't take it seriously. So why hand them an advantage in the hurling championship by spreading out the hurling championship with what will effectively be rest weeks for those players and clubs when lads like our players are taking both codes seriously? In our club all the first team players bar 1 are playing both football and hurling. And that one only plays football.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 06/10/2022 11:14:59    2442957

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I just think no matter what structure is in place issues will arise, going off social media and a couple of post game interviews last weekend those with a preference for football aren't happy with the current calendar. Everything weighted up alternate weekends of some kind weather 2 hurling 2 football, 1 hurling 1 football is probably the fairest way."
Many of those with a preference for football dont seem to realise that the current system is the most beneficial for Wexford football as a whole. Short of banning hurling, Wexford football couldnt be any more benefitted by the current system.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 463 - 06/10/2022 11:26:38    2442963

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Replying To tearintom:  "No matter what system is there you are still going to get clubs and players concentrating on one code.

We have intermediate football teams concentrating on hurling in the middle of a football championship as it is. We have teams further down the levels more than capable of winning the football grade they are in but simply putting out a team and doign zero training for football and happy with their success in hurling and not going to get relegated. We currently have dual clubs missing their best footballers who finished up when the hurling finished.

Ive heard a rumour of one senior dual club who are missing one of their best footballers that wanted a break and is off playing a bit of soccer as its less intense than going though another 6/7 weeks of football training. We have some top hurlers in the county finished everything in 5/6/7 weeks in early August and not training again until 2023. Im not sure how that serves anyone to be honest.

At least with alternate weeks we dont have the situation where players are missing most of their championship due to what are sometimes mild enough injuries that just require time to recover.

Theres no system thats going to stop teams and players focusing on one code but we need one thats fair to both codes imho."
Was puzzling over what you might mean by "intermediate football teams concentrating on hurling in the middle of a football championship", until I realised you might be talking about Ferns?

I don't know exactly what they're doing there, but if they were doing hurling training during their football championship, I don't think I'd blame them. This could be their one and only crack at the Leinster hurling championship, so stands to reason they might have at least one eye on it. In contrast, they'll have another go at the Wexford Intermediate Football Championship next year.

Think this is particularly relevant when you consider how it seems to be fairly generally known and accepted that a large part of the reason Rapps didn't do well in Leinster last year is because they probably didn't do enough hurling while the football championship was on. And yes, that's another issue with the structures as they stand. As everybody here seems to accept, there are no easy answers.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1277 - 06/10/2022 11:51:43    2442968

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Replying To Viking66:  "Just watched it the tackle was late OK. Not sure there was that much intent to cause serious injury though. It looked like he wanted to tackle Porter then realised he was too far behind and his momentum carried him into Porters planted foot. It wasn't studs up soccer style."
Absolute horse manure. Ran over and kicked an opponent as hard as he could, looking to do as much damage as possible. No intent to go for the ball or make a proper tackle. Should get 6 months minimum.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2530 - 06/10/2022 12:11:44    2442970

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Many of those with a preference for football dont seem to realise that the current system is the most beneficial for Wexford football as a whole. Short of banning hurling, Wexford football couldnt be any more benefitted by the current system."
The current system is absolutely not the most beneficial for Wexford football. Don't know where you're coming up with that. It'll have to go to alternate weekends next year.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2530 - 06/10/2022 12:12:47    2442971

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