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Replying To Viking66:  "Worst possible draw for ourselves and Clare. Best possible for the GAA. Strange that the draw was supposed to be on tv but the actual draw wasnt on tv????!!!! By the time the winners of the round 1 games meet Galway or Cork they will have played at least 3 games in less than a month compared to Galway and Corks 1."
They're better off playing games and rachetting up their fitness and skills in actual games.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 853 - 12/07/2021 22:12:43    2359204

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "This might not be right place for this discussion..I've been watching under 20 hurling from munster..rules are different again here,there is no sin bin for deliberate pull down inside 21 and no penalty..I thought the same rules applied at all levels of inter county hurling..how do Gaa come up with this?some of the refs are involved in all grades and rules change within a week..I'm first to give out about them but they deserve a certain amount of sympathy I think..would others agree or am I well off the beaten track?"
You are not off the beaten track. You are bang on the money.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5596 - 12/07/2021 22:36:24    2359208

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Replying To conordee:  "Cork cant play Galway so not really an open draw."
I think Cork can play Galway according to GAA.ie.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 12/07/2021 22:47:23    2359211

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "They're better off playing games and rachetting up their fitness and skills in actual games."
To an extent certainly. But too many games every week isnt good.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 12/07/2021 22:54:04    2359215

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Replying To Canuck:  "Both Clare and Wexford won their first game also. Something not right."
Yes, I agree - simple new rule, could be that 2 of 4 Prov QF participants get the Qualifier byes - priority given to the QF winners, before giving the byes to QF losers.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2061 - 13/07/2021 05:13:27    2359247

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Replying To Viking66:  "If Clare win they will play Cork or Galway or less likely Laois. They cant play Waterford. It is strange that purely by luck of the draw Cork and Galway have both ended up with 2 byes this year while the other 4 counties didnt get any byes at all. A very unlikely outcome statistically."
Third x third = 11.1% not too unlikely.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2061 - 13/07/2021 05:25:01    2359248

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Replying To zinny:  "They have constantly used morning Ireland to do the draws - not saying its right but its not just something they decided to do on Sunday."
Look im not gonna bang on about it,have a look at the draw and you will see for yourself, all i want is to be assured of fairplay but you dont see it like any other draw you would see

fathermurphy (Wexford) - Posts: 309 - 13/07/2021 07:04:15    2359253

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Replying To omahant:  "Yes, I agree - simple new rule, could be that 2 of 4 Prov QF participants get the Qualifier byes - priority given to the QF winners, before giving the byes to QF losers."
Wouldve made alot more sense and been fairer to ourselves and Clare.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 13/07/2021 08:57:16    2359269

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Replying To fathermurphy:  "Look im not gonna bang on about it,have a look at the draw and you will see for yourself, all i want is to be assured of fairplay but you dont see it like any other draw you would see"
what is wrong with the wexford posters on here saying the draw was rigged.......why would the gaa want to fix the draws.......ye sound the very same as yer manager. everyone is against us motto...

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 957 - 13/07/2021 08:59:19    2359270

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "what is wrong with the wexford posters on here saying the draw was rigged.......why would the gaa want to fix the draws.......ye sound the very same as yer manager. everyone is against us motto..."
We dont think everyone else is against us. I've had great times drinking with lads from every other major hurling county down the years. It's just strange that if you seeded the counties based on bookies odds for the current championship the 2 top teams got the byes in the qualifiers. The 2 lowest seeds by odds didnt get byes in the Munster championship either. Then after the byes were decided the 2 losing provincial quarter finalists just happened to be paired together. Possibly that's all just a coincidence but if they had shown the balls being pulled out of the bowls which they could have very easily this line of thinking wouldnt have come about in the 1st place. It will be very interesting now if the 2 teams that got byes this time just happen not to be paired together in the next round of qualifiers even if Clare or Waterford don't win their games this weekend. Especially if as last time the draw isnt actually shown.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 13/07/2021 10:41:25    2359287

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "what is wrong with the wexford posters on here saying the draw was rigged.......why would the gaa want to fix the draws.......ye sound the very same as yer manager. everyone is against us motto..."
I don't think very many Wexford people think the draw was rigged. I think they might also be wearing a red hat....
Anyway, it was only a few months ago on here that the world and their mother and every referee was against Limerick, was it not?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1348 - 13/07/2021 10:53:30    2359292

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Replying To Viking66:  "Wouldve made alot more sense and been fairer to ourselves and Clare."
So let me get this straight. Are you saying that because you had to play Laois in a qualifier, you should get a bye rather than an open draw? That's crazy. I can see Clare have been unlucky here in terms of having to play 3 tough games. However Wexford getting a competitive warm up against Laois hardly counts. In fact I'd nearly say it's an advantage that most teams would like.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 272 - 13/07/2021 10:56:05    2359296

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Replying To Viking66:  "We dont think everyone else is against us. I've had great times drinking with lads from every other major hurling county down the years. It's just strange that if you seeded the counties based on bookies odds for the current championship the 2 top teams got the byes in the qualifiers. The 2 lowest seeds by odds didnt get byes in the Munster championship either. Then after the byes were decided the 2 losing provincial quarter finalists just happened to be paired together. Possibly that's all just a coincidence but if they had shown the balls being pulled out of the bowls which they could have very easily this line of thinking wouldnt have come about in the 1st place. It will be very interesting now if the 2 teams that got byes this time just happen not to be paired together in the next round of qualifiers even if Clare or Waterford don't win their games this weekend. Especially if as last time the draw isnt actually shown."
Sure when they show the balls people waffle on about hot balls or dents, marks or whatever so it makes no difference.

Some people seem to put far too much of their time and wild imaginations into what goes on in the GAA

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1232 - 13/07/2021 10:59:39    2359299

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I don't think very many Wexford people think the draw was rigged. I think they might also be wearing a red hat....
Anyway, it was only a few months ago on here that the world and their mother and every referee was against Limerick, was it not?"
Fair Point

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 297 - 13/07/2021 11:09:56    2359307

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All-Ireland SHC Qualifiers Round 1
Clare v Wexford, Semple Stadium, 1.30pm - Sky Sports
Laois v Waterford, UPMC Nowlan Park, 2pm - GAAGO

Why are these two matches starting only a half an hour apart? What is wrong with having them start two hours apart?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1452 - 13/07/2021 11:28:01    2359316

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I don't think very many Wexford people think the draw was rigged. I think they might also be wearing a red hat....
Anyway, it was only a few months ago on here that the world and their mother and every referee was against Limerick, was it not?"
theres no harm in discussing whether referees are being hard on limerick, some hurling pundits had also discussed it.......but wexford supporters questioning if the draw for the qualifiers was rigged that bates banagher.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 957 - 13/07/2021 11:38:46    2359322

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Replying To Viking66:  "It's an open draw but teams cant play teams they already faced unless its unavoidable. Same as for many years."
Fair enough, but I think it would be better if they changed it and put the four team into a hat, so what if Clare happened to face Waterford again or Galway were facing Cork, anyways, it is what it is.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 13/07/2021 11:42:08    2359326

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "So let me get this straight. Are you saying that because you had to play Laois in a qualifier, you should get a bye rather than an open draw? That's crazy. I can see Clare have been unlucky here in terms of having to play 3 tough games. However Wexford getting a competitive warm up against Laois hardly counts. In fact I'd nearly say it's an advantage that most teams would like."
We will see how Laois get on against Waterford to judge that although the exertion of playing with 13 men for most of the last quarter against Antrim in a must win game for them last weekend might tell on them this weekend.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 13/07/2021 12:18:59    2359349

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Replying To Breezy:  "Sure when they show the balls people waffle on about hot balls or dents, marks or whatever so it makes no difference.

Some people seem to put far too much of their time and wild imaginations into what goes on in the GAA"
Probably so but it's all part of the pregame fun!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 13/07/2021 12:20:03    2359351

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "So let me get this straight. Are you saying that because you had to play Laois in a qualifier, you should get a bye rather than an open draw? That's crazy. I can see Clare have been unlucky here in terms of having to play 3 tough games. However Wexford getting a competitive warm up against Laois hardly counts. In fact I'd nearly say it's an advantage that most teams would like."
Well Galway played two matches against both Kilkenny and Clare in '18-incidentally they blew the chance of winning both games on the first day- and some of their supporters are still on here cribbing that it cost them that years All Ireland. These extra 'tough games' are not always seen as a huge advantage.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3243 - 13/07/2021 13:17:50    2359372

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