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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Why are we being trown in to the same bracket as dublin? We haven't won an allireland since 2014 and we've won 1 allireland in 12 years."
Ya but that will change soon. Gap has been narrowed. You have a class side. I am terrified going to Killarney in two weeks.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3855 - 11/07/2021 19:53:10    2358738

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Are Limerick not financially backed by a Billionaire ?"
Indeed, they are. And long may it continue. But remember, a billionaire second; a passionate Limerick hurling supporter first. JP was in the dressingroom after the 1973 win, bundled in the back window by Eamonn Grimes the Limk captain, Pat Hartigan and Joe McKenna: all South Liberties men and club mates of JP. And all of whom after JP named winning racehorses.

JP never forgot his roots. Long may it continue. It's just a shame that every county (bar Dublin and Kerry of course, who don't need one) hasn't got a person like JP to back them.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 658 - 11/07/2021 19:53:45    2358739

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Are Limerick not financially backed by a Billionaire ?"
Limerick hurling is, Limerick football hasn't got the same level of the funding hurling has gotten down through the years. If only those outside of Limerick knew the work Billy Lee has done and the hardship he is putting himself through to improve Limerick football he doesn't get the credit nationally he deserves.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1033 - 11/07/2021 20:21:54    2358744

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Replying To arock:  "Think you've missed the point."
Think you've missed the irony.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 652 - 11/07/2021 20:26:48    2358746

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Why are we being trown in to the same bracket as dublin? We haven't won an allireland since 2014 and we've won 1 allireland in 12 years."
Probably because of all the retirements and this period of transition that Dublin are in.
Many of the greats that dominated during the past decade have retired while Kerry have shown themselves to be the most likely to succeed and have the best forward line of all the contenders.
I don't think there is any disputing this.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 11/07/2021 20:55:53    2358756

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Replying To yew_tree:  "So no games should be shown on TV in a time where the vast majority of supporters can't attend?"
I think you missed the point.

I posted a reply earlier but it mustn't have got past the mods for some reason. Can't be bothered typing it up again.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 455 - 11/07/2021 20:58:18    2358759

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Indeed, they are. And long may it continue. But remember, a billionaire second; a passionate Limerick hurling supporter first. JP was in the dressingroom after the 1973 win, bundled in the back window by Eamonn Grimes the Limk captain, Pat Hartigan and Joe McKenna: all South Liberties men and club mates of JP. And all of whom after JP named winning racehorses.

JP never forgot his roots. Long may it continue. It's just a shame that every county (bar Dublin and Kerry of course, who don't need one) hasn't got a person like JP to back them."
Offaly have Shane Lowry don't they?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1351 - 11/07/2021 21:05:03    2358765

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "The system would not be based on resources, but rather on merit; the current standing of each county. After the first year it would be easy enough; two up, two down.

Calling it B doesn't help. We don't call 'intermediate level', level B at club level, do we? And Cork, and any other disgruntled erstwhile senior teams, would of course have a chance to win Sam: Win the intermediate and move up senior. That's a logical, quite simple process. Cork would not be relegated per se. They would be put at their appropriate level. Putting them at the junior level would be seen as a relegation alright.

If a team isn't capable of winning the intermediate championship, what business does it have of challenging for Sam?

What right have the likes of Leitrim, Limerick, Louth, Carlow, etc. of calling themselves SENIOR championship teams, when they've never or almost never been at that level? Move them to a level where they and their supporters have some chance of success, and move them out of the way of the big steamroller that kills them year in, year out.

A two-tier system isn't remedy enough. We need senior, intermediate and junior."
If a team isn't capable of winning the intermediate championship, what business does it have of challenging for Sam?

What right have the likes of Leitrim, Limerick, Louth, Carlow, etc. of calling themselves SENIOR championship teams, they've never or almost never been at that level? Move them to a level where they and their supporters have some chance of success, and move them out of the way of the big steamroller that kills them year in, year out.

A two-tier system isn't remedy enough. We need senior, intermediate and junior.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 430 - 11/07/2021 17:40:57 2358

As far as I am aware we didn't have any input into whether we were being called SENIOR or not, from what I gather it was bestowed on us by the same people who ignore the plight of Gaelic football and the state it's in, if I were you I would readdress your comment to those in control and can do something about it.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2442 - 11/07/2021 21:07:58    2358766

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Ya but that will change soon. Gap has been narrowed. You have a class side. I am terrified going to Killarney in two weeks."
Don't be terrified at all Benny cause we're capable of doing anything, we could hammer ye or do what we did last November, everyone says the gap has narrowed but I can't see that from what iv seen so far, like I said Ladt week we won 3 of the 4 quarters against dublin in the league game and we still only scrope a draw against a weakened dublin team.

As far as I see it it's dublin out on their own with Kerry Mayo Donegal Tyrone Galway Monaghan and yer selves in the second tier, now it's a fight between ulster and Munster to see which team gets to get bate by dublin in the final.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13454 - 11/07/2021 21:09:05    2358767

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Par Spillane talking some rubbish here. It is easy to remove provincials from All-Ireland because it is a broken system. Money may help but it make Leitrim competitive. They have 24 clubs and a small pool of players to pick from. Cora Staunton is right. Hurling, camogie, and ladies football all have tiers. Men's football is the only one which persists with this rubbish."
I'll never understand the resistance to a tiered championship. Its mind boggling.
How has common sense not prevailed at this stage?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1351 - 11/07/2021 21:09:55    2358769

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Replying To Bon:  "I'll never understand the resistance to a tiered championship. Its mind boggling.
How has common sense not prevailed at this stage?"
Unfortunately sense is not common

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4727 - 11/07/2021 23:32:08    2358812

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Replying To Ban:  "To those that believe in splitting Dublin.. Surely applying the same principle the likes of Mayo should be split also? There's a notion that everyone should be able to compete in a fair Championship. What does fair look like to teams like Sligo and Leitrim?"
There are 16 counties with larger populations than Mayo. We have more natives living outside the county bed around the world than we do within.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10796 - 12/07/2021 00:03:09    2358818

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Having a tiered system is a lazy ,overly simplistic, solution to the competitiveness issues. It will never, NEVER, work unless counties accept it. We will never accept a B grade competition in Cork. I doubt Cavan and Tipp players would swap their medals from last year for some B grade competition. But that is for them to decide.
As Tommy Murphy showed it is doomed to fail.


Also you never addressed where you draw the line ? How many teams would you allow into Senior? Only Dublin and Kerry have a chance of winning it. Let's be realistic. Donegal, Tyrone will struggle against them. Donegal and Tyrone are miles better than Division 4 side Leitrim (but not it seems miles better than Division 3 side Derry). However, with Dublin and Kerry around they will end up with the same number of All Irelands as Leitrim . NONE.


Arey you suggesting a two team championship? What would the point in that be? Tiering the championship will not eliminate hammering s but what hwill happen to those that are relegated and they will be relegated...they'll be forgotten about which will widen the competiveness issues even further"
What a warped few...
let counties compete at their own level..
Christ no wonder things are as bad as they are with that mentality..

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 137 - 12/07/2021 00:10:56    2358819

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "Limerick hurling is, Limerick football hasn't got the same level of the funding hurling has gotten down through the years. If only those outside of Limerick knew the work Billy Lee has done and the hardship he is putting himself through to improve Limerick football he doesn't get the credit nationally he deserves."
And I was not having a dig. I love watching Limerick and was delighted when ye made the breakthrough after so much heartbreak but the post by a Limerick fan having a pop at Dublins money seemed a bit rich....

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10796 - 12/07/2021 08:24:21    2358840

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Replying To yew_tree:  "There are 16 counties with larger populations than Mayo. We have more natives living outside the county bed around the world than we do within."
Do you think Mayo and Leitrim is a fair game when you consider population and resources? I'm curious to see how people feel about this? Everyone is quick to point to Dublin's advantages! The way I see it, there are advantages everywhere and if splitting Dublin is seen as a solution then why focus on them alone?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1170 - 12/07/2021 09:46:07    2358865

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I don't think a tiered championship is a solution on its own, it doesn't address the underlying issues rather just papers over the cracks much the same as tiered hurling hasn't changed anything. The real issue is not one sided games that's just the end product of the real problem which is many counties are structurally very weak and not just financially but in terms of coaching, the counties that fail don't just fail at senior but generally right the way down to juvenile, the clubs in these counties are not developing talent that's capable of taking on stronger counties. A tiered championship won't stop teams getting hammered it will just change who's hammering them, if you even look at results from this year that tells you the same, Waterford and Limerick would be tiered together likewise laois and Westmeath. Tackle the underlying issues before we do away with the championship as we all know it

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1331 - 12/07/2021 11:29:36    2358925

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "What a warped few...
let counties compete at their own level..
Christ no wonder things are as bad as they are with that mentality.."
Yeah. Hurling, camogie, and ladies football all have tiers. Club championships are tiered. Men's football is the outlier here.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 354 - 12/07/2021 11:39:29    2358931

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Replying To Ban:  "Do you think Mayo and Leitrim is a fair game when you consider population and resources? I'm curious to see how people feel about this? Everyone is quick to point to Dublin's advantages! The way I see it, there are advantages everywhere and if splitting Dublin is seen as a solution then why focus on them alone?"
There is a critical mass needed to mount an effective challenge. Leitrim, Longford and probably Carlow (as a dual county) don't have enough in the modern game to have any realistic chance of success in current provincial structure, the league or all ireland series. History would suggest Fermanagh would fall in to that bucket too.

After that....

Sligo has more people than Roscommon. 19/20 times I would expect Roscommon to beat Sligo....most of the time by 10+ points.

You could say the same for Antrim versus Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Monaghan.....and in many other years pretty much any other Ulster county.

You need resources, you need population, you need effective CB and the last bit is less measurable.....but its maybe interest or culture. You need the people to go to games, join clubs, want to play, want to win, want to fund raise, coach youngsters and give up lots of time doing all the above.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 214 - 12/07/2021 12:28:33    2358964

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Replying To Ban:  "Do you think Mayo and Leitrim is a fair game when you consider population and resources? I'm curious to see how people feel about this? Everyone is quick to point to Dublin's advantages! The way I see it, there are advantages everywhere and if splitting Dublin is seen as a solution then why focus on them alone?"
The only thing that should be split is the people running this farce, the GAA hierarchy.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 12/07/2021 12:48:00    2358973

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "The only thing that should be split is the people running this farce, the GAA hierarchy. "
Maybe we are at this crossroads because of the success of the GAA?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1170 - 12/07/2021 13:10:28    2358979

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