(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post
I somehow think you are seriously out of touch with the reality that has the weaker counties in the state they are in. To abolish the provincials is not going to address the problems. I think NO county should be excluded from winning Sam in a given year. - - - All of the weaker counties at least are not within an ass's roar of competing for Sam so they are excluded before a ball is kicked. In Cork we might have a TINY chance of winning the All Ireland this year buy we have absolutely ZERO interest in a B championship. ABSOLUTELY NONE. After looking at the stats I can understand why here are some Football. All Ireland Titles 46 Senior 7 U- 21 11 Minor 11 Junior 16 NFL 8 Munster titles. 120 Senior - 35 U 21 - 27 Minor 30 Junior - 28 All stars 64 Hurling. All Ireland Titles. 78 Senior 30 U - 21 11 Minor 18 Intermediate 8 Junior 11 NHL Titles 14 Munster Titles 126 Senior 52 U -21 19 Minor 32 Junior 21 So I can understand why, - "we have absolutely ZERO interest in a B championship. ABSOLUTELY NONE" Elitism comes to mind. . supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 12/07/2021 14:36:13 2359025 Link 1 |
Apologies Supersub and any other county fans that I may have annoyed. My wording wasn't what I should be. However, I was replying to a poster who seems to believe that Cork should have the right to be senior, regardless of whether it is up to that ability or not. So, let me readdress what I meant, in the words of Joe Brolly: " It is enraging that the GAA inflicts this humiliation year in year out on small counties that are working so hard to keep communities healthy and playing the games." I think this is a more appropriate way of wording what's wrong with our totally lop-sided championship. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 12/07/2021 15:23:54 2359050 Link 0 |
Fair enough, I don't believe Dublin's success is down to money but come on there is a big difference between JP McManus sponsoring Limerick and the money Dublin received from the GAA which the last poster was referring to, there is more than us with big financial backing Kerry, Tipperary, Galway and Wexford are counties that have big financial backers that I know of. JP McManus has being very generous to all counties outside of Limerick too with his donations in 2018. Also local charities in Limerick are never short of anything from his donations and he makes sure the money is used correctly. Not only JP McManus but other business people have being very good to Limerick JP's brother Gerry sponsors the hurling academy and also Charlie Chawke, the Moran's and Fitzgerald's families have been very good to Limerick.
DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 12/07/2021 15:26:27 2359054 Link 1 |
Maybe read a bit of what your own county man John Connellan wrote and come back to me. Don't get mixed up between the GAA and the GAA hierarchy, two completely different things, and don't ignore the grant aided aspect. For me the real people of the GAA are the people on the ground and those Leitrim lads who were humiliated yesterday, not the big wigs in HQ who continue to line their pockets with big salaries or the yes men at congress, too afraid to speak up and do something about the farce. The whole organization needs reforming, not just the football Championship. The organization which cant organize, an Irish joke. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 12/07/2021 15:30:50 2359055 Link 1 |
Ah don't worry about it foreveryoung (USA) - you meant well, I do agree one or two Cork posters seem to think they have a right to whatever suits them. - Thanks again.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 12/07/2021 20:47:53 2359159 Link 1 |
Maybe read a bit of what your own county man John Connellan wrote and come back to me. Don't get mixed up between the GAA and the GAA hierarchy, two completely different things, and don't ignore the grant aided aspect. For me the real people of the GAA are the people on the ground and those Leitrim lads who were humiliated yesterday, not the big wigs in HQ who continue to line their pockets with big salaries or the yes men at congress, too afraid to speak up and do something about the farce. The whole organization needs reforming, not just the football Championship. The organization which cant organize, an Irish joke."]I read John Connellan's piece many months ago and while we are from the same County I do prefer to form my own opinion on things. Is there anything else you'd like me to do? Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 12/07/2021 20:52:46 2359168 Link 2 |
There is a critical mass needed to mount an effective challenge. Leitrim, Longford and probably Carlow (as a dual county) don't have enough in the modern game to have any realistic chance of success in current provincial structure, the league or all ireland series. History would suggest Fermanagh would fall in to that bucket too. After that.... Sligo has more people than Roscommon. 19/20 times I would expect Roscommon to beat Sligo....most of the time by 10+ points. You could say the same for Antrim versus Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Monaghan.....and in many other years pretty much any other Ulster county. You need resources, you need population, you need effective CB and the last bit is less measurable.....but its maybe interest or culture. You need the people to go to games, join clubs, want to play, want to win, want to fund raise, coach youngsters and give up lots of time doing all the above. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 12/07/2021 21:12:04 2359174 Link 1 |
Maybe read a bit of what your own county man John Connellan wrote and come back to me. Don't get mixed up between the GAA and the GAA hierarchy, two completely different things, and don't ignore the grant aided aspect. For me the real people of the GAA are the people on the ground and those Leitrim lads who were humiliated yesterday, not the big wigs in HQ who continue to line their pockets with big salaries or the yes men at congress, too afraid to speak up and do something about the farce. The whole organization needs reforming, not just the football Championship. The organization which cant organize, an Irish joke."]I read John Connellan's piece many months ago and while we are from the same County I do prefer to form my own opinion on things. Is there anything else you'd like me to do?"]John Connellan was dealing in facts, not opinions. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 12/07/2021 21:44:36 2359186 Link 3 |
Maybe read a bit of what your own county man John Connellan wrote and come back to me. Don't get mixed up between the GAA and the GAA hierarchy, two completely different things, and don't ignore the grant aided aspect. For me the real people of the GAA are the people on the ground and those Leitrim lads who were humiliated yesterday, not the big wigs in HQ who continue to line their pockets with big salaries or the yes men at congress, too afraid to speak up and do something about the farce. The whole organization needs reforming, not just the football Championship. The organization which cant organize, an Irish joke."]I read John Connellan's piece many months ago and while we are from the same County I do prefer to form my own opinion on things. Is there anything else you'd like me to do?"]John Connellan was dealing in facts, not opinions."]The sad facts about Connellan findings are the lies that he was told and us all. We were told the money was being done more fairly sinc 2018 and I believed that too but when Connellan looked to see the figures that was not the case at all. I agree that the top brass of the gaa are not honest. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 12/07/2021 22:02:19 2359197 Link 3 |
You need 6 changes to sort it out 1. Strategic plan drawn up for each county specific to its needs ( needs to be done centrally based on best practice form other counties) 2. Resources pooled in weaker counties (Sligo, Leitrim/Fermanagh sharing an S&C programme, video analysis team etc) 3. Amalgamation of counties at underage (inter county championship with top teams and regional teams ala Kerry county championship) -this to incorporate splitting some counties to have additional city teams at underage 4. Tiered adult senior championship with late entry to senior tier for winners of B championship (and potentially C championship) 5. League style championship with playoffs to reward excellence yet guarantee all teams 18 games a season from Feb-June 6. Switch current funding imbalance in favour of weaker counties -travel expenses to be paid from central funds and S&C coaching/video analysis paid from central funds to lower tier counties If the GAA leadership enforced the above we would get somewhere close to being a fair association In addition some innovation at local level would help E.g - why has no county yet tried to combat Relative Age Effect and rotate the cut off date for underage football to try and expand the pool of players who get access to their own underage teams and schools of excellence? tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 13/07/2021 03:12:26 2359238 Link 2 |
Interesting stuff, tirawleybaron. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 13/07/2021 12:19:20 2359350 Link 1 |
Really good post. Great suggestions. The sceptic in me tells me nothing will be done.
Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 13/07/2021 13:11:38 2359368 Link 0 |
There should be 2 tiers- 16 teams in both and straight knockout. The provincials should be kept and are used to quality to tier 1 (Munster and Connacht finalists and Leinster and Ulster semi finalists) GAA2424 (Cork) - Posts: 4 - 13/07/2021 17:31:40 2359479 Link 0 |
How about keep the qualifiers but play them first? Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 13/07/2021 22:01:20 2359584 Link 0 |
Predictions. MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 16/07/2021 10:16:26 2360316 Link 0 |
Predictions. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/07/2021 10:32:52 2360321 Link 1 |
Predictions tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 16/07/2021 10:48:20 2360329 Link 0 |
What will that do for the Leitrim's of this world, absolutely nothing. The first thing I'll say to you is that there are at least 3 grades, not two. The GAA hierarchy haven't a clue but you know what, let them drive it into the ground. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 16/07/2021 11:34:16 2360351 Link 0 |
Predictions Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 16/07/2021 13:43:49 2360408 Link 0 |
predictions westmeath dublin monaghan tyrone
mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1799 - 16/07/2021 14:11:59 2360417 Link 0 |