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Replying To galwayford:  "Limerick is not a true GAA county. It's posters on here tend to be fairly anti GAA. One of the reasons is imho that Gaelic football is not strong in the county. Hurling is. And this fact affects people like Breezy."
Sir- a few cranks on here do not represent a whole county. We have a tendency to be involved in all sports in Limerick, so football does suffer, however we are striving to get to Div Two in a few weeks time and unlike Kilkenny we do not encourage hurling to the almost total exclusion of all other sports.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2913 - 02/06/2021 12:07:04    2347663

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Sir- a few cranks on here do not represent a whole county. We have a tendency to be involved in all sports in Limerick, so football does suffer, however we are striving to get to Div Two in a few weeks time and unlike Kilkenny we do not encourage hurling to the almost total exclusion of all other sports."
"unlike Kilkenny we do not encourage hurling to the almost total exclusion of all other sports."

Bull****. You know nothing about sport in Kilkenny.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1344 - 02/06/2021 13:17:54    2347686

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Good to see the Anthem being given prominence by the GAA. There has definitely been a slippage in respecting it both on and off the field.
Before anybody starts getting seriously annoyed... I think it should be there for county finals and for senior and all intercounty games regardless of grade eg, minor intermediate.
County stadia should have the correct tannoy to broadcast it properly. Listening to it on a poor tanniy at a club pitch can be excruciating.
Finally, it would add to the occasion if people took off their caps!!!
Good on the GAA for seeking more respect for the National Anthem.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1606 - 02/06/2021 13:18:35    2347687

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""unlike Kilkenny we do not encourage hurling to the almost total exclusion of all other sports."

Bull****. You know nothing about sport in Kilkenny."
I do actually. You won your last Leinster Senior football championship match in 1929, You had your last rugby International about forty years ago- one of I think only two- and it is decades since you has a first Division Soccer team. Yes you had a few good handballers but otherwise very little.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2913 - 02/06/2021 13:25:50    2347690

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I see yet again in a time of FG in government, the anthemn is now in their sights, we are "multicultural" and a divided Island and must respect and not offend others...what a country we have become...A FG td last week calling for the anthemn to be only played at major sporting events, we dont need to hear it at the Division 3 league final in county X for example..the man making the arugument no doubt has children in private rugby playing colleges and wil hear the anthemn at these posh rugby games probably...the young fellah in the country who wont play intercounty...maybe the Division 3 football final or countyy junior final wil be his only day to represent his family and parish, and I think he (or she) should get to face the flag an hear the anthem...regarding players moving during it and near the end...my late father told me the old IRA never fully acknowledged the Amhran Na bfiann, and the shuffle just before the last line, was just sort of "we dont fully recognised the whole anthemn as Ireland is not fully free" type of thing...we will stand for it but not it all..and thats exactly what I always did as a player and even now (although we dot hear much of the anthemn over the ast 10 years of FG in Government..our society is being rapidly destroyed..no sense of Irishness or nationalism...Religion is another devicesive issue I know with the Angeles on the television is another thing gone now to be more inclusive for everyone..another issue but still..same reason "we are a changed societ"...go up the North the week of the twelfth and tell the orangemen "no bon fires or beating drums now, you are offending alot of people" ...you wouldnt get out with your life...the Irish solution to the latter is "keep your head down and let on you dont hear or see anything"....anway...dont start me..play our anthem for all sporting events for adult grade game at the very least...its nothing to be ashamed of...we are too worried about every other culture at the expense of our own..."
Totally agree with that Td. The disrespect that has been shown to the anthem at matches is beyond belief. Only should be reserved for finals. Including a division 3 final. Don't see many complaints when it isn't played in Croke park for first game of a double header. And remember when sf get into government there plan as part of a ui is to scrap the anthem. Haven't seen any party or Td voice that from any other party. But sure didn't a pbp lad say we shouldn't fly the flag on official buildings as it was racist.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17530 - 02/06/2021 13:37:59    2347695

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Replying To MesAmis:  "When did RTÉ stop broadcasting the Anegelus? Or have you made that up to suit your argument?

There is an argument that the playing of 'Amhrán na bhFiann' before every match, often awful recordings on terrible sound systems, is quite disrespectful.

I don't quite understand how you equate some FG politician, and I'm no fan of theirs, calling for the playing of 'Amhrán na bhFiann' to be exclusive to big games with some sort of all out attack on 'our culture'.

How is 'our society being rapidly destroyed'?

How is 'there no sense of Irishness'?

What cultures are we 'too worried about' and how exactly is it 'at expense of our own'?"
Well well well. Miracles will never cease.
I fully agree with you.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17530 - 02/06/2021 13:41:33    2347698

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Replying To carlowman:  "Good to see the Anthem being given prominence by the GAA. There has definitely been a slippage in respecting it both on and off the field.
Before anybody starts getting seriously annoyed... I think it should be there for county finals and for senior and all intercounty games regardless of grade eg, minor intermediate.
County stadia should have the correct tannoy to broadcast it properly. Listening to it on a poor tanniy at a club pitch can be excruciating.
Finally, it would add to the occasion if people took off their caps!!!
Good on the GAA for seeking more respect for the National Anthem."
The most excruciating rendition of the anthem I ever heard was at Giants Stadium in 1994 when it was played at the same tempo as a funeral march ...

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 157 - 02/06/2021 14:19:57    2347713

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well well well. Miracles will never cease.
I fully agree with you."
Hogan stand's "Royal correspondent" Mr Dunne has spoken.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2181 - 02/06/2021 16:01:31    2347743

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I do actually. You won your last Leinster Senior football championship match in 1929, You had your last rugby International about forty years ago- one of I think only two- and it is decades since you has a first Division Soccer team. Yes you had a few good handballers but otherwise very little."
"unlike Kilkenny we do not encourage hurling to the almost total exclusion of all other sports."

The first law of holes states: "if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".

You are now compounding your ignorance of the encouragement and participation in other sports in Kilkenny, with some ridiculous nonsense about professional rugby and soccer players.

12 clubs contested the 2019 Kilkenny Senior Football Championship and there are teams and competitions represented in various age groups.
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Womens football is also very popular: link

The Kilkenny & District Soccer League is one of the best in the country, with teams and leagues for all age groups including schoolgirls. link

Athletics: link

St Keiran's College famed as a hurling school, winner 22 All-Ireland Senior Colleges Finals:
"We offer a wide range of sporting activities including Hurling, Gaelic Football, Handball, Soccer, Cross Country Running, Track and Field Athletics, Equestrian, Basketball, Badminton and Golf. We have also encouraged and supported students with interests in developing their sport of choice including, swimming, orienteering, ice-hockey and canoeing to name a few."

The same for the CBS Kilkenny:
CBS STUDENT MORAN MAKING GIANT STRIDES FOR IRISH RUGBY YOUTHS TEAM.

"Affable fifth year CBS student Sean Moran's rugby career continues to rise as he lined out for the IRFU Youths team for the second season in a row in Ashbourne on Saturday February 23rd last." link

I could go on, but why bother. You and a few other Limerick posters on here seem to have a hatred of all things to do with Kilkenny.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1344 - 02/06/2021 16:33:13    2347756

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Replying To galwayford:  "Hogan stand's "Royal correspondent" Mr Dunne has spoken."
I like that. Please use it more. Btw do you think Joyce will survive if Galway are relegated?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17530 - 02/06/2021 16:52:11    2347763

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Brilliant!"
The last 3 words of the National Anthem tend to be: "C'mon [NAME OF YOUR COUNTY]!"

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 908 - 02/06/2021 18:39:06    2347792

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Fines for not following the anthem to the standards of the powers that be? This is a North Korean style policy not to mention another unnecessary pitfall for players and managers to be mindful of. Each individual should have the freedom to treat the anthem as they see fit to, especially when the adrenaline is pumping before a big match. Leave the first world problems to all the 'Karen's out there disrupting other people's lives for the sake of nothing.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2177 - 02/06/2021 18:47:27    2347794

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Replying To essmac:  "The last 3 words of the National Anthem tend to be: "C'mon [NAME OF YOUR COUNTY
!""]Na it's just them heathens about Tyrone that do that !!
that point the man made about fellas shuffling about during the end of the anthem coming from the old IRA's thought's on the free state anthem I have heard that before years ago, think there's something to it.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1352 - 02/06/2021 19:09:45    2347801

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""unlike Kilkenny we do not encourage hurling to the almost total exclusion of all other sports."

The first law of holes states: "if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".

You are now compounding your ignorance of the encouragement and participation in other sports in Kilkenny, with some ridiculous nonsense about professional rugby and soccer players.

12 clubs contested the 2019 Kilkenny Senior Football Championship and there are teams and competitions represented in various age groups.
link
Womens football is also very popular: link

The Kilkenny & District Soccer League is one of the best in the country, with teams and leagues for all age groups including schoolgirls. link

Athletics: link

St Keiran's College famed as a hurling school, winner 22 All-Ireland Senior Colleges Finals:
"We offer a wide range of sporting activities including Hurling, Gaelic Football, Handball, Soccer, Cross Country Running, Track and Field Athletics, Equestrian, Basketball, Badminton and Golf. We have also encouraged and supported students with interests in developing their sport of choice including, swimming, orienteering, ice-hockey and canoeing to name a few."

The same for the CBS Kilkenny:
CBS STUDENT MORAN MAKING GIANT STRIDES FOR IRISH RUGBY YOUTHS TEAM.

"Affable fifth year CBS student Sean Moran's rugby career continues to rise as he lined out for the IRFU Youths team for the second season in a row in Ashbourne on Saturday February 23rd last." link

I could go on, but why bother. You and a few other Limerick posters on here seem to have a hatred of all things to do with Kilkenny."
I wouldn't question you or Kilkenny on any of those sports except one.

Kilkenny football is an absolute joke and there is no defending it. The only county can't be bothered putting a team in the All Ireland is indefensible

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1131 - 02/06/2021 19:23:13    2347807

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Replying To essmac:  "The last 3 words of the National Anthem tend to be: "C'mon [NAME OF YOUR COUNTY
!""]Yep. Everyone knows it's come on the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17530 - 02/06/2021 19:47:08    2347816

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""unlike Kilkenny we do not encourage hurling to the almost total exclusion of all other sports."

The first law of holes states: "if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".

You are now compounding your ignorance of the encouragement and participation in other sports in Kilkenny, with some ridiculous nonsense about professional rugby and soccer players.

12 clubs contested the 2019 Kilkenny Senior Football Championship and there are teams and competitions represented in various age groups.
link
Womens football is also very popular: link

The Kilkenny & District Soccer League is one of the best in the country, with teams and leagues for all age groups including schoolgirls. link

Athletics: link

St Keiran's College famed as a hurling school, winner 22 All-Ireland Senior Colleges Finals:
"We offer a wide range of sporting activities including Hurling, Gaelic Football, Handball, Soccer, Cross Country Running, Track and Field Athletics, Equestrian, Basketball, Badminton and Golf. We have also encouraged and supported students with interests in developing their sport of choice including, swimming, orienteering, ice-hockey and canoeing to name a few."

The same for the CBS Kilkenny:
CBS STUDENT MORAN MAKING GIANT STRIDES FOR IRISH RUGBY YOUTHS TEAM.

"Affable fifth year CBS student Sean Moran's rugby career continues to rise as he lined out for the IRFU Youths team for the second season in a row in Ashbourne on Saturday February 23rd last." link

I could go on, but why bother. You and a few other Limerick posters on here seem to have a hatred of all things to do with Kilkenny."
No hatred at all for KK- in fact I have admired there many their fine hurlers since I first heard them been commentated upon by the great Michael O'Hehir, way back in 1959, however I am only stating the obvious. All those other sports you mention are just as freely played in other counties, but you have to admit that are all minority sports. In Limerick, as in KK, you have a big Horse Racing tradition, internationals rowers like Sam Lynch, great handballers like the Quish Brothers and JJ Bowles of old, great mountain climbers like the late Ger McKenna etc ,etc.. There is even a Caltex winning NACA Athlete still alive in my own Parish, Sean O'Sullivan. How many Olympic medals are there in KK for example. I know Mick Dowling won one, but how many more are there. Even Carlow can put out a team in both codes. You can hardly seriously deny that Football has been treated very poorly in KK for the past ninety odd years. For a county that won three Leinster titles in the first quarter of a Century of the GAA does it not appear odd to you that they have not even won one game in Leinster in ninety years.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2913 - 02/06/2021 19:51:38    2347817

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "The Angelus is still broadcast on RTÉ. We have a 3 party coalition, led by a Fianna Fáil Taoiseach. I am always proud to stand for the anthem, and face the national flag, wherever in Ireland it is played at GAA matches. It's a bit disrespectful to see players sometime break away before the anthem finishes.
I wonder If many GAA players know the words of the anthem."
the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 731 - 02/06/2021 20:49:59    2347829

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Replying To Breezy:  "Wow how incredibly off topic. The new protocol is about respecting the anthem not the opposite but any attempt to make a cheap dig at FG and the "woke".

The likes of you are why this forum is now dead"
dont be so condescending..you know nothing about me..I am only reflecting how things are changing in Ireland...and yes we have referendums on this that an the other now and if your Irish tough, pull in out of the way incase you offend anyone...thats how its been over the last 10 years...no point debating with you or your ilk..the forum is quiet busy actually..or sorry thats not the right thing to say if you dont agree with it..tarnish it, rubbish it and everyone will think your are right....

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 731 - 02/06/2021 20:54:20    2347830

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Replying To MesAmis:  "When did RTÉ stop broadcasting the Anegelus? Or have you made that up to suit your argument?

There is an argument that the playing of 'Amhrán na bhFiann' before every match, often awful recordings on terrible sound systems, is quite disrespectful.

I don't quite understand how you equate some FG politician, and I'm no fan of theirs, calling for the playing of 'Amhrán na bhFiann' to be exclusive to big games with some sort of all out attack on 'our culture'.

How is 'our society being rapidly destroyed'?

How is 'there no sense of Irishness'?

What cultures are we 'too worried about' and how exactly is it 'at expense of our own'?"
the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 731 - 02/06/2021 20:54:55    2347831

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Load of crap. Play the anthem. Don't agree with the poster who said the older generation didn't respect or fully accept the anthem because of the treaty or whatever...

What are you going to do? Finish the "war" yourself and take up arms and run the British out? Civil war politics and only voting who your parents and grandparents voted for is thankfully coming to an end.

Religion has no place in ruling or influencing a country which is basically what happened after independence for the 26.

Anyway IF a united Ireland happens in our lifetime there will be a lot of changes and anthems, flags and other symbols will all be up for debate in a new federal Ireland.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10583 - 02/06/2021 21:52:01    2347840

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