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Replying To yew_tree:  "Load of crap. Play the anthem. Don't agree with the poster who said the older generation didn't respect or fully accept the anthem because of the treaty or whatever...

What are you going to do? Finish the "war" yourself and take up arms and run the British out? Civil war politics and only voting who your parents and grandparents voted for is thankfully coming to an end.

Religion has no place in ruling or influencing a country which is basically what happened after independence for the 26.

Anyway IF a united Ireland happens in our lifetime there will be a lot of changes and anthems, flags and other symbols will all be up for debate in a new federal Ireland."
Fair points. But are we willing to give up the anthem and flag ? That's another debate for another day.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17530 - 02/06/2021 22:15:08    2347845

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte..."
Faith isn't A La Carte,its just inherited....just think about that!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 704 - 02/06/2021 22:39:11    2347849

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Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil want to replace Amhrán na bhFiann with the Rugby song- Ireland's call. I say NO. Keep Amhrán na bhFiann.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2181 - 02/06/2021 22:57:22    2347856

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Totally agree with that Td. The disrespect that has been shown to the anthem at matches is beyond belief. Only should be reserved for finals. Including a division 3 final. Don't see many complaints when it isn't played in Croke park for first game of a double header. And remember when sf get into government there plan as part of a ui is to scrap the anthem. Haven't seen any party or Td voice that from any other party. But sure didn't a pbp lad say we shouldn't fly the flag on official buildings as it was racist."
yeah I was watching replays of last weekends league games and the amount of lads stretching and flexing etc. was fairly evindent, that said alot and most of the players were standing still, its only a few, so it could be corrected...no one seems to be aware of the original reason for the "shuffle" near the end, my late father told me he seen it at Munster finals in the 1950s and 60's and a very old Cork man (well dead now no doubt too) was telling my later father why it was...he called it the "free state anthem" and posters on here get very animated when their verision of Irishness is pointed out as not the real deal...my father said there would be Cork/Tipperary and Limerick men at Munster finals back then (1950s) and they would stand dead still for the majority of the anthem, then just move slightly and bless themselves just as it ends...a trait I decided on from a young age...look its a debate for sure and no two people will agree...nothing wrong with discussing it..thanks.

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 731 - 03/06/2021 01:22:35    2347878

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the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 713 - 02/06/2021 20:54:55 23


Of course faith is 'ala carte'.

Unless you fully follow the Bible to the letter then you have an ala carte approach to religion. Same as those that pop into mass once a year for Christmas or weddings etc.

The Angelus is still broadcast by RTÉ, that was my point. You said it wasn't which was a lie to further your point of view.

When you say 'uppedy politicians can't be arsed with a bit of respect' I don't quite understand. Respect for what?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13302 - 03/06/2021 11:07:10    2347926

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I'd like to see a standardised recording of the National Anthem for playing before games. Some of the recordings you hear across the country are awful.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1165 - 03/06/2021 12:30:12    2347954

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Faith isn't A La Carte,its just inherited....just think about that!"
Atheism is inherited too in fairness, and it's adherents rarely question it. Most atheists I know are more dogmatic about their beliefs than what few people of faith I know.
Being openly Christian in modern Ireland is very courageous.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 471 - 03/06/2021 12:48:33    2347958

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Atheism is inherited too in fairness, and it's adherents rarely question it. Most atheists I know are more dogmatic about their beliefs than what few people of faith I know.
Being openly Christian in modern Ireland is very courageous."
Atheism can be inherited in a way too but most atheists in Ireland were brought up religious, went to religious school etc.

Also, for me atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack thereof actually.

I don't see how being openly Christian is courageous in Ireland. Especially when compared with other places in the world where being openly (insert religion here) in a (insert religion here) dominated society could actually be extremely dangerous.

Religious people have all the same rights and protections in Ireland as non-religious people, as is only right.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13302 - 03/06/2021 13:17:34    2347965

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Replying To MesAmis:  "the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 713 - 02/06/2021 20:54:55 23


Of course faith is 'ala carte'.

Unless you fully follow the Bible to the letter then you have an ala carte approach to religion. Same as those that pop into mass once a year for Christmas or weddings etc.

The Angelus is still broadcast by RTÉ, that was my point. You said it wasn't which was a lie to further your point of view.

When you say 'uppedy politicians can't be arsed with a bit of respect' I don't quite understand. Respect for what?"
Most politicans don't have respect for us citizens my friend. That should not be in any doubt at all. A lot of them do not respect the Catholic Church either and that to me is unacceptable as a lot of the population still have a strong faith.

But you ask who/what do they not have respect for??

We were told lie after lie by successive politicans down the years, I will give you some examples- there will be no bailout= there was a bailout within days, USC is an emergency tax= USC is still there, local property tax was to improve local facilities= it is not used for that, would be no charge for water= did their utmost to charge for water, Cervical cancer scandal, property developers in cohoots with Government, leaking of documents to personal friends etc etc etc.

So if that is showing respect to people I give up and I am shocked that you would even have to ask the question. They treat us with utter contempt.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 03/06/2021 13:18:08    2347966

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Replying To tonguey:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 713 - 02/06/2021 20:54:55 23


Of course faith is 'ala carte'.

Unless you fully follow the Bible to the letter then you have an ala carte approach to religion. Same as those that pop into mass once a year for Christmas or weddings etc.

The Angelus is still broadcast by RTÉ, that was my point. You said it wasn't which was a lie to further your point of view.

When you say 'uppedy politicians can't be arsed with a bit of respect' I don't quite understand. Respect for what?"
Most politicans don't have respect for us citizens my friend. That should not be in any doubt at all. A lot of them do not respect the Catholic Church either and that to me is unacceptable as a lot of the population still have a strong faith.

But you ask who/what do they not have respect for??

We were told lie after lie by successive politicans down the years, I will give you some examples- there will be no bailout= there was a bailout within days, USC is an emergency tax= USC is still there, local property tax was to improve local facilities= it is not used for that, would be no charge for water= did their utmost to charge for water, Cervical cancer scandal, property developers in cohoots with Government, leaking of documents to personal friends etc etc etc.

So if that is showing respect to people I give up and I am shocked that you would even have to ask the question. They treat us with utter contempt."
The current Taoiseach is still in denial that there ever was a bailout too.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2457 - 03/06/2021 14:46:56    2347988

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Replying To tonguey:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 713 - 02/06/2021 20:54:55 23


Of course faith is 'ala carte'.

Unless you fully follow the Bible to the letter then you have an ala carte approach to religion. Same as those that pop into mass once a year for Christmas or weddings etc.

The Angelus is still broadcast by RTÉ, that was my point. You said it wasn't which was a lie to further your point of view.

When you say 'uppedy politicians can't be arsed with a bit of respect' I don't quite understand. Respect for what?"
Most politicans don't have respect for us citizens my friend. That should not be in any doubt at all. A lot of them do not respect the Catholic Church either and that to me is unacceptable as a lot of the population still have a strong faith.

But you ask who/what do they not have respect for??

We were told lie after lie by successive politicans down the years, I will give you some examples- there will be no bailout= there was a bailout within days, USC is an emergency tax= USC is still there, local property tax was to improve local facilities= it is not used for that, would be no charge for water= did their utmost to charge for water, Cervical cancer scandal, property developers in cohoots with Government, leaking of documents to personal friends etc etc etc.

So if that is showing respect to people I give up and I am shocked that you would even have to ask the question. They treat us with utter contempt."
I asked what should they be showing respect for in terms of the Angelus.

Your post is completely off topic.

It is interesting though your holding the politicians, rightly in my opinion, to account but thinking that those politicians should show respect to the Catholic Church after all the evil that they've inflicted on this country.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13302 - 03/06/2021 17:57:08    2348046

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Replying To MesAmis:  "
Replying To tonguey:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 713 - 02/06/2021 20:54:55 23


Of course faith is 'ala carte'.

Unless you fully follow the Bible to the letter then you have an ala carte approach to religion. Same as those that pop into mass once a year for Christmas or weddings etc.

The Angelus is still broadcast by RTÉ, that was my point. You said it wasn't which was a lie to further your point of view.

When you say 'uppedy politicians can't be arsed with a bit of respect' I don't quite understand. Respect for what?"
Most politicans don't have respect for us citizens my friend. That should not be in any doubt at all. A lot of them do not respect the Catholic Church either and that to me is unacceptable as a lot of the population still have a strong faith.

But you ask who/what do they not have respect for??

We were told lie after lie by successive politicans down the years, I will give you some examples- there will be no bailout= there was a bailout within days, USC is an emergency tax= USC is still there, local property tax was to improve local facilities= it is not used for that, would be no charge for water= did their utmost to charge for water, Cervical cancer scandal, property developers in cohoots with Government, leaking of documents to personal friends etc etc etc.

So if that is showing respect to people I give up and I am shocked that you would even have to ask the question. They treat us with utter contempt."
I asked what should they be showing respect for in terms of the Angelus.

Your post is completely off topic.

It is interesting though your holding the politicians, rightly in my opinion, to account but thinking that those politicians should show respect to the Catholic Church after all the evil that they've inflicted on this country."]I'm glad I wasn't born in a time when the church had such power over society, not defending them in the slightest, I do however often think that us lay people kinda let ourselves off the hook somewhat when it comes to this topic.
Most of the Catholic churches policies had the support of the people at the time imo, or at the very least we the people deliberately turned a blind eye, children were abused and beaten in schools, but then again they were abused avd beaten in their own homes too alot of the time. The church opposed gay marriage, but how many lay people at the time would have supported gay marriage?
Most of us today turn a blind eye to the hunger crisis currently afflicting millions of people all over the world, with death rates dwarfing those of the mother and baby homes at that time. Who are we to pontificate?

Looking at young kids at the Spanish arch last week falling around drunk and in one case shagging one another in broad daylight, I sometimes wonder whether or not we might benefit from regaining some of that discipline and modesty.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 471 - 03/06/2021 19:32:31    2348065

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "[quote=tonguey:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "the Angeles on RTE is now a fellah out cutting a hedge or a blacksmith shoeing a horse or worst I seen was some sort of cartoon creature chasing a feather (I kid you not that was the clip for a week or two a few months back) My point (as I think you know) is the religious element is watered away and it is now more of a reflection or time to pause etc...our religious entitiy is gone just because a few young uppedy politicians pulling strings in RTE couldnt be arsed with a bit of respect..the church in Ireland is one thing, fair enough, but not everyone is anti church...funerals and weddings are still out the door in a non pandemic Ireland..they cant have it everyway...faith isnt ala carte...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 713 - 02/06/2021 20:54:55 23


Of course faith is 'ala carte'.

Unless you fully follow the Bible to the letter then you have an ala carte approach to religion. Same as those that pop into mass once a year for Christmas or weddings etc.

The Angelus is still broadcast by RTÉ, that was my point. You said it wasn't which was a lie to further your point of view.

When you say 'uppedy politicians can't be arsed with a bit of respect' I don't quite understand. Respect for what?"
Most politicans don't have respect for us citizens my friend. That should not be in any doubt at all. A lot of them do not respect the Catholic Church either and that to me is unacceptable as a lot of the population still have a strong faith.

But you ask who/what do they not have respect for??

We were told lie after lie by successive politicans down the years, I will give you some examples- there will be no bailout= there was a bailout within days, USC is an emergency tax= USC is still there, local property tax was to improve local facilities= it is not used for that, would be no charge for water= did their utmost to charge for water, Cervical cancer scandal, property developers in cohoots with Government, leaking of documents to personal friends etc etc etc.

So if that is showing respect to people I give up and I am shocked that you would even have to ask the question. They treat us with utter contempt."
I asked what should they be showing respect for in terms of the Angelus.

Your post is completely off topic.

It is interesting though your holding the politicians, rightly in my opinion, to account but thinking that those politicians should show respect to the Catholic Church after all the evil that they've inflicted on this country."]I'm glad I wasn't born in a time when the church had such power over society, not defending them in the slightest, I do however often think that us lay people kinda let ourselves off the hook somewhat when it comes to this topic.
Most of the Catholic churches policies had the support of the people at the time imo, or at the very least we the people deliberately turned a blind eye, children were abused and beaten in schools, but then again they were abused avd beaten in their own homes too alot of the time. The church opposed gay marriage, but how many lay people at the time would have supported gay marriage?
Most of us today turn a blind eye to the hunger crisis currently afflicting millions of people all over the world, with death rates dwarfing those of the mother and baby homes at that time. Who are we to pontificate?

Looking at young kids at the Spanish arch last week falling around drunk and in one case shagging one another in broad daylight, I sometimes wonder whether or not we might benefit from regaining some of that discipline and modesty."]Kids and teenagers nowadays have nothing to be in fear of from the church as they know little or nothing of it as an authority figure.Essentially, it's influence has waned. Likewise, what was related to as disciplining in schools is no longer accepted and that fear of authority is no longer the same. Most of the damage inflicted on younger people today comes through the medium of social media and abuse they may receive from their peers or total unknowns. It's just as dark and dangerous , but again everyone sees it as part of everyday life now with all the main players given free reign with very little sanction or censorship imposed.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2275 - 03/06/2021 20:12:43    2348072

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Shakespeare said "the abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power " You can look at the catholic church through different lenses in time. There was a time when they were the protectors of the people in Ireland. Then they became power drunk. Then they became abusers. From what I have seen once that was established they have never shown remorse, offering placid sorries to regain trust. I for one would not want ever to go back to the power they exerted when I was going up. I would also have to say there were priests I idolized who were a credit to themselves and the communities they served.
The catholic church have horrible history through out the world (New Foundland etc.) but many other organizations can be classed the same.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1337 - 03/06/2021 20:48:27    2348080

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Atheism is inherited too in fairness, and it's adherents rarely question it. Most atheists I know are more dogmatic about their beliefs than what few people of faith I know.
Being openly Christian in modern Ireland is very courageous."
The vast majority of people in Ireland are a la carte Christians anyway. Myself included. We go to church for weddings, funerals, communions, Christmas time but rarely if ever go to church the rest of the year.

The older generation do but who the hell talks about god or their Christianity? The church kept people in this country in fear and under their control for years.

What people believe or don't believe in is up to each individual.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10583 - 03/06/2021 20:54:18    2348084

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Kids will still be kids, trying to test the waters and push the limits thay their parents or other authority figures set. They need good role models and also lessons learnt the hard way from role models who lost their way. Peer pressure in 2021 seems to be a big deal, give a 10 year old a mobile phone because their classmates gave one, young adults going out to get locked rather than have a good night out, adults watching Netflix because all their mates have it just to have a discussion point. My grandmother from Fanad, told me that a man who doesn't know his history knows nothing. Maybe if kids understood the history of the flag anthem they'd show them more respect. And positive peer pressure would spread the message amongst them.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6091 - 03/06/2021 21:01:30    2348086

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Not hard to wait until the Anthem is over before roaring out for your team, another thing is I don't like is the single person singing it. Doesn't bring the goose pimples out compared to bands or even recordings.wait till it's over, the refs not going to throw the ball in any quicker.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 554 - 03/06/2021 21:44:27    2348103

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Not hard to wait until the Anthem is over before roaring out for your team, another thing is I don't like is the single person singing it. Doesn't bring the goose pimples out compared to bands or even recordings.wait till it's over, the refs not going to throw the ball in any quicker."
True, some of the singing is tight too, far better to play a good recording if you don't have a band there, I wonder too in this day and age why they can't sort out the PA systems, Mac Cumhaill park in Ballybofey is cat, nobody knows what the announcer is saying half the time.
I rem years ago in pubs and dances when the anthem was played if someone wasn't showing due respect they could get a slap very quick.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1352 - 03/06/2021 22:24:17    2348118

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "North of Ireland. six county protocol.... I think your on about not playing the anthem so much before matches, I think it should be played before matches and it means a lot up here in the north of Ireland to hear the anthem."
Yes I'm sure it does, unfortunately down here it appears to be offending some lefties so we're going to change it to please the vast minorities.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8013 - 04/06/2021 04:01:56    2348130

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I think they should play the anthem and then play the angelus afterwards before every throw in.

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 99 - 04/06/2021 08:22:18    2348137

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