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Replying To Shocs07:  "Well done Waterford too!
On the Galway front, you can now see how difficult it is to take 2 big scalps in a row ...!!"
That's been Galways problem for over a hundred years now

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1952 - 24/05/2021 10:02:08    2344845

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Cheddar was asked after Brennan quit would he do it and he said his time was gone he wasn't the man for the job. I said it then that he'd end up getting it and he did. I disrespect to him but it's probably down to finances as much as anything else. I'm also not sure Eddie is the messiah and was probably lucky for his own cv that he left when he did. I'd really hate to see Laois going backwards but it's a small hurling county and it's going to be difficult for them to compete year in year out. However all counties are still only back a short period of time.
I'd have great respect for cheddar but I'm not sure he was picked for the betterment of Laois hurling unfortunately"
Fair enough but under the current circumstances WHO could come in and do any better than Cheddar? As you correctly pointed out it's a small hurling county and then it's split between hurling and football to make matters worse. I don't think Brian Cody, Cyril Farrell, Ger Loughnane, Davy, etc could do much better with them on a consistent basis.

I'd love to see Laois come out and start hammering the big teams.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1223 - 24/05/2021 12:32:36    2344921

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Fair enough but under the current circumstances WHO could come in and do any better than Cheddar? As you correctly pointed out it's a small hurling county and then it's split between hurling and football to make matters worse. I don't think Brian Cody, Cyril Farrell, Ger Loughnane, Davy, etc could do much better with them on a consistent basis.

I'd love to see Laois come out and start hammering the big teams."
They would probably have the same hurling base as Offaly. And have had very good teams at times over the last 120 years. They arent traditional minnows at hurling or football.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1952 - 24/05/2021 13:41:44    2344959

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Fair enough but under the current circumstances WHO could come in and do any better than Cheddar? As you correctly pointed out it's a small hurling county and then it's split between hurling and football to make matters worse. I don't think Brian Cody, Cyril Farrell, Ger Loughnane, Davy, etc could do much better with them on a consistent basis.

I'd love to see Laois come out and start hammering the big teams."
It's a fair question and I'm not sure who is out there really. DJ/Shefflin? Unlikely! I think it's easier for the big names to go in it laois were in the Joe Mc particularly if you're trying to build a cv. It's not an easy one and there certainly isn't people on Laois jumping at the chance.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2988 - 24/05/2021 14:57:11    2344998

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Fair enough but under the current circumstances WHO could come in and do any better than Cheddar? As you correctly pointed out it's a small hurling county and then it's split between hurling and football to make matters worse. I don't think Brian Cody, Cyril Farrell, Ger Loughnane, Davy, etc could do much better with them on a consistent basis.

I'd love to see Laois come out and start hammering the big teams."
Given there've been similar posts about Offaly and Westmeath here recently I can think of one proposal. A combined approach would give a boost to hurling in the region. The respective county boards might be shy about relinquishing power however.

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1003 - 24/05/2021 15:11:42    2345005

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "Given there've been similar posts about Offaly and Westmeath here recently I can think of one proposal. A combined approach would give a boost to hurling in the region. The respective county boards might be shy about relinquishing power however."
A combined regional club senior championship would certainly help the teams but a combined intercounty hurling squad wouldn't have much support in any of the counties. Would you support amalgamating your footballers with Roscommon and Leitrim and Sligo so you can compete with Dublin?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1952 - 24/05/2021 15:51:30    2345034

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "Given there've been similar posts about Offaly and Westmeath here recently I can think of one proposal. A combined approach would give a boost to hurling in the region. The respective county boards might be shy about relinquishing power however."
Would you support combining your football team with Roscommons to compete with Dublin?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1952 - 24/05/2021 15:53:11    2345036

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Amalgamating teams is not the way forward, its very messy and the fallout from it can be massive.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1165 - 24/05/2021 17:10:04    2345075

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Cheddar was asked after Brennan quit would he do it and he said his time was gone he wasn't the man for the job. I said it then that he'd end up getting it and he did. I disrespect to him but it's probably down to finances as much as anything else. I'm also not sure Eddie is the messiah and was probably lucky for his own cv that he left when he did. I'd really hate to see Laois going backwards but it's a small hurling county and it's going to be difficult for them to compete year in year out. However all counties are still only back a short period of time.
I'd have great respect for cheddar but I'm not sure he was picked for the betterment of Laois hurling unfortunately"
Laois were far more competitive under Eddie and I think he saw the bus coming the laois board and indeed some of the clubs go the extra mile to see the county failing if they don't like the manager. Its a septic county to support. There was genuine progress under Brennan but they did nothing for him when they should have been rowing in behind him. Cheddar is a great hurling man but some of his comments this year are off the scale. Such as player development and work in progress for next year. Heard all that baloney years ago. It's looking pretty bleak now all the green shoots under Brennan are starting to wilt.

Richardkimble (Laois) - Posts: 17 - 24/05/2021 21:09:43    2345188

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Lets be real re Laois, they haven't had a good minor team since about 2013 when they shocked a Wexford team which I think had Liam Ryan and Conor McDonald and others fresh off beating Kilkenny if I am remembering the game correctly.
People can talk about Laois, Offaly, Westmeath etc at senior level till the cows come home, the first barometer of hurling ability is up to minor age. Yes there is always going to be off-days, etc at these grades due to the age of the players involved, but victories need to be more consistent rather than flashes in the pan.
For me, where these counties need to really try start at is Feile, Tony Forristal, etc and then try keep a group together and working at the same level as the other counties till minor. Then, at the very least respectable performances against the pace setters have to be the barometer.
Spending a fortune on DJ Carey or Shefflin or whoever mentioned above, is a total waste of money. Spend a fortune on some of these to manage underage coaching in the county, train coaches to the level of Kilkenny, get top coaches in who hurled at the top level.
Wexford had some Paddy Butler fellow and George O'Connor heading up underage coaching when I was underage and they were class, to me this is the sort of thing Laois need to do.
I'm not saying Wexford are a barometer but when they came in, we were at rock bottom ourselves.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1106 - 24/05/2021 21:41:34    2345203

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Lets be real re Laois, they haven't had a good minor team since about 2013 when they shocked a Wexford team which I think had Liam Ryan and Conor McDonald and others fresh off beating Kilkenny if I am remembering the game correctly.
People can talk about Laois, Offaly, Westmeath etc at senior level till the cows come home, the first barometer of hurling ability is up to minor age. Yes there is always going to be off-days, etc at these grades due to the age of the players involved, but victories need to be more consistent rather than flashes in the pan.
For me, where these counties need to really try start at is Feile, Tony Forristal, etc and then try keep a group together and working at the same level as the other counties till minor. Then, at the very least respectable performances against the pace setters have to be the barometer.
Spending a fortune on DJ Carey or Shefflin or whoever mentioned above, is a total waste of money. Spend a fortune on some of these to manage underage coaching in the county, train coaches to the level of Kilkenny, get top coaches in who hurled at the top level.
Wexford had some Paddy Butler fellow and George O'Connor heading up underage coaching when I was underage and they were class, to me this is the sort of thing Laois need to do.
I'm not saying Wexford are a barometer but when they came in, we were at rock bottom ourselves."
You are spot on. Has to start in the schools. GAA central funding should be made available to counties with, say, less than 8 senior clubs to try grow the game of hurling by paying coaches go round national schools and intermediate and junior hurling clubs. No point putting money into centres of excellence and 4g pitches if you dont encourage anyone to play the games in the 1st place.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1952 - 24/05/2021 23:16:39    2345237

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Lets be real re Laois, they haven't had a good minor team since about 2013 when they shocked a Wexford team which I think had Liam Ryan and Conor McDonald and others fresh off beating Kilkenny if I am remembering the game correctly.
People can talk about Laois, Offaly, Westmeath etc at senior level till the cows come home, the first barometer of hurling ability is up to minor age. Yes there is always going to be off-days, etc at these grades due to the age of the players involved, but victories need to be more consistent rather than flashes in the pan.
For me, where these counties need to really try start at is Feile, Tony Forristal, etc and then try keep a group together and working at the same level as the other counties till minor. Then, at the very least respectable performances against the pace setters have to be the barometer.
Spending a fortune on DJ Carey or Shefflin or whoever mentioned above, is a total waste of money. Spend a fortune on some of these to manage underage coaching in the county, train coaches to the level of Kilkenny, get top coaches in who hurled at the top level.
Wexford had some Paddy Butler fellow and George O'Connor heading up underage coaching when I was underage and they were class, to me this is the sort of thing Laois need to do.
I'm not saying Wexford are a barometer but when they came in, we were at rock bottom ourselves."
Great common sense post.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 704 - 24/05/2021 23:25:48    2345242

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Replying To katser:  "Congratulations Waterford on a good win!!! Bad luck limerick on yet another defeat..don't worry its only the league and form!"
Be interesting to see if Galway meet Limerick again later in the year if they lie down and roll over like last years semi final.

PatKeyes73 (Limerick) - Posts: 7 - 25/05/2021 02:24:39    2345256

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "Given there've been similar posts about Offaly and Westmeath here recently I can think of one proposal. A combined approach would give a boost to hurling in the region. The respective county boards might be shy about relinquishing power however."
I don't think supporters would wear it either. It's a bit patronising to propose that.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 269 - 25/05/2021 08:13:21    2345263

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I'm guessing the "some Paddy Butler fellow" you mention was Paudie Butler, former National Director Hurling and very well respected, who did great work in Wexford.

And incidentally...before he got that job....he was manager of Laois.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 456 - 25/05/2021 09:38:57    2345273

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "I don't think supporters would wear it either. It's a bit patronising to propose that."
Hold on Mick. The very first day the GAA was founded, in that Thurles meeting, Archbishop Croke proposed that Tipperary North and South Riding, then regarded as two separate counties, should allowed compete as one. The precedent for amalgamations is there.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2913 - 25/05/2021 10:02:39    2345282

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Hold on Mick. The very first day the GAA was founded, in that Thurles meeting, Archbishop Croke proposed that Tipperary North and South Riding, then regarded as two separate counties, should allowed compete as one. The precedent for amalgamations is there."
And you could extend that logic Oldtourman by saying that every county is an amalgamation from a time when they were represented by individual clubs.
Paul Rouse has a good book on it.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1106 - 25/05/2021 10:48:05    2345299

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'm guessing the "some Paddy Butler fellow" you mention was Paudie Butler, former National Director Hurling and very well respected, who did great work in Wexford.

And incidentally...before he got that job....he was manager of Laois."
That is him, sorry I was a teenager at the time and his name did not resonate with me.
He was outstanding if you ask me, the sessions we did with him were some of the best training sessions ever.
To me, that is where Laois etc need to start.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1106 - 25/05/2021 10:49:21    2345300

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Hold on Mick. The very first day the GAA was founded, in that Thurles meeting, Archbishop Croke proposed that Tipperary North and South Riding, then regarded as two separate counties, should allowed compete as one. The precedent for amalgamations is there."
There wasnt any historical rivalry there. They were all Tipp men. The North and South Riding was an artificial division imposed by the Brits for administrative purposes. Yorkshire cricket, Sussex cricket etc in England arent split into areas like the counties are. Offaly and Laois and Westmeath are all sporting rivals. Offaly have all Irelands in both hurling and football. It's a short list of counties that can say that. 8 I think.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1952 - 25/05/2021 10:52:39    2345301

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Have heard that claim before about what Archbishop Croke is supposed to have said in 1884. Have also heard it pointed out by a Tipperary historian that Tipperary North Riding and Tipperary South Riding weren't actually established as administrative counties until 1898. Which makes the Croke story seem a little unlikely.....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 456 - 25/05/2021 11:20:03    2345307

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