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Bloody Sunday

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1 foreign language is enough to expect us to speak fluently. We don't get enough credit for it, truth be told.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4157 - 12/11/2020 16:26:17    2308046

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Hopefully Tipp can pull off a surprize this weekend.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 486 - 17/11/2020 21:47:12    2310865

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People from this Country on different forums giving off about Sinn Féin and followers and licking up to the crown, shaking hands bowing to them. Shame on them.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 280 - 21/11/2020 18:16:01    2312106

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Are the graves of all the Bloody Sunday Croke Park victims known and recognised? Will there be commemorations at the graveside?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9294 - 21/11/2020 18:27:56    2312111

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A good ceremony. Hopefully Tipp can beat Cork tomorrow.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 58 - 21/11/2020 18:43:58    2312123

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Are the graves of all the Bloody Sunday Croke Park victims known and recognised? Will there be commemorations at the graveside?"
Michael Foley has done a lot of work in that, I am nearly sure all of the graves are now known and there have been ceremonies at all of them prior to today. Foley has spoken about being asked to say a few words at the grave of Jerome O'Leary last year as unfortunately Jerome has no living relatives.

I'm not sure if anything was planned specifically for this weekend however

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1129 - 21/11/2020 18:44:12    2312124

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "That may be so. But, if it wasn't for the billions of pounds of subsidies NI receives every year from the British, it wouldn't survive."
So? I live in the North and wouldn't care less if it didn't survive

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 21/11/2020 18:50:26    2312131

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well if sf got into power they'd run out of here very quickly. Thankfully that's not gonna happen anytime soon. It seems that also is the main concern of reunification, a sf gov, probably propped up by dup.
Majority in south would much prefer to have sdlp and moderate unionists in ascendency in north when unity happens. The fear of both extremists is real."
Sf and DUP are the moderates who represent the majority in the aggregate. Neither party has any extremist policies whatsoever. They respectively were associated with paramilitaries and with colourful reverends, and you're letting that colourful history blind you to how middle of the road and dull their policies are today. Your viewpoint is widespread in the South, and in England, but it is shallow and out of date.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 21/11/2020 18:56:24    2312133

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I do not want to be closer to Europe. We have more in common with the US than mainland Europe. European identity doesn't exist and a federal Europe would be bad for Ireland."
Speak for yourself mate.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 21/11/2020 18:58:21    2312134

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "And what do you to have 'to be proud off'?"
Not glorifying Empire

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 21/11/2020 18:59:42    2312136

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Replying To essmac:  "So? I live in the North and wouldn't care less if it didn't survive"
What about the NHS you'd miss that.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 985 - 21/11/2020 19:00:59    2312138

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Replying To Bon:  "I don't think the idea behind it is to celebrate war."
Maybe not, but that is precisely how it plays out culturally

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 21/11/2020 19:01:51    2312139

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Replying To Htaem:  "102 years ago today at 11am the guns fell silent, no warm remembering the fallen in that awful, needless conflict."
Their guns are far from silent , neither were the guns they armed paramilitaries with.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 280 - 21/11/2020 19:04:01    2312142

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Replying To Htaem:  "102 years ago today at 11am the guns fell silent, no warm remembering the fallen in that awful, needless conflict."
Their guns are far from silent , neither were the guns they armed paramilitaries with.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 280 - 21/11/2020 19:06:07    2312144

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Beautiful and fitting tribute tribute to the 14 lives lost. Well done Brendan and the Gaa and especially Michael Foley.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1210 - 21/11/2020 19:35:23    2312164

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Replying To Bon:  "What about the NHS you'd miss that."
The same NHS that turned to the HSE a couple of months ago with cap in hand??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4157 - 21/11/2020 19:42:36    2312181

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Replying To Bon:  "What about the NHS you'd miss that."
Really? 3/4/5 year waiting lists for general surgery, rheumatology clinics, ENT operations??? 3 weeks for a doctor's appointment?? GPs retiring by the dozen every year and not being replaced?? The NHS is being set up the Tories for privatisation anyway so that may be not be an issue when an Irish unity referendum comes around.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9294 - 21/11/2020 19:43:46    2312186

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Replying To Bon:  "What about the NHS you'd miss that."
Really? 3/4/5 year waiting lists for general surgery, rheumatology clinics, ENT operations??? 3 weeks for a doctor's appointment?? GPs retiring by the dozen every year and not being replaced?? The NHS is being set up the Tories for privatisation anyway so that may be not be an issue when an Irish unity referendum comes around.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9294 - 21/11/2020 19:44:11    2312188

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I'm a businessman with a City lawyer background. I've been working in and for global businesses for 27 years. These days, my rationale for a United Ireland has less to do with ideology or sentiment, and more to do with efficiency.  If you were structuring an island economy like Ireland's, you'd struggle to justify something as inefficient as a border (especially when the rationale for the original border was entirely ideological / sectarian, and paid no heed to structural economic efficiency).  In a common EU, the border had largely ceased to matter.  However, Britain's Brexit frolic is not based on common sense or on hard economics - as Labour peer Lord Adonis noted, the entire fiasco is an "English nationalist spasm".The North would now be better off out of the UK.  This report pre-dates Brexit, and all the jackass stuff that has happened since in Westminster will only have strengthened the force of its pro-unity conclusions: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/457df810-f043-11e5-9f20-c3a047354386Don't worry too much about Stormont.  Of course it's dysfunctional.  What do you expect?  It has no powers and no remit.  London still controls everything.  County councils have more authority.  It's an old truism that nobody grows up until they're given responsibility.  Stormont is a puppet show, with no responsibility.  So long as Britain remains in charge, the North will remain politically irresponsible.  I'd like a federal United Ireland.  Regional parliaments in Cork, Dublin, Galway and Belfast. Covid has shown us what a nonsense our Dublin-centric and Belfast-centric approach to jobs are.  White collar jobs can be done from anywhere. And we need our Unionists.  They're the salt of the earth. As an Irish republican, I can say that with conviction.  My affection for my Unionist neighbours and colleagues is real.  I often get along better with them than my so-called "own kind".  So many decent Unionists opt out of politics altogether.  So many young Unionists emigrate and never return.  The challenge is to find a way to protect and respect their British identity.  It would mean that Ulster (9 counties) would have a Venn-diagram status, with links to both countries.  Why not?  Show some imagination, FFS. I believe a United, tolerant, federal Ireland would be a great place.  Ireland is a very wealthy country already, despite our Beal bocht sentimentality.  If we we were all pulling together in a way that respects all our identities, sky's the limit, folks.  I don't see much creative thinking out there, sadly.  SF has too much baggage ever ti be credible among Unionists.  The Southern parties are a mix of outdated and small-minded anti-Nordie class snobbery from the D4 set ("D4" is a state of mind, some of them live in Meath and Limerick lol) and timidity and temporising by FF.  It can be done, folks.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 21/11/2020 19:51:30    2312201

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Replying To essmac:  "Speak for yourself mate."
Nobody serious in Ireland wants a federal Europe.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 204 - 21/11/2020 19:53:12    2312203

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