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Bloody Sunday

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Replying To cavanman47:  "The same NHS that turned to the HSE a couple of months ago with cap in hand??"
The same HSE that busses patients to North for surgery.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 271 - 21/11/2020 19:56:37    2312211

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Replying To essmac:  "I'm a businessman with a City lawyer background. I've been working in and for global businesses for 27 years. These days, my rationale for a United Ireland has less to do with ideology or sentiment, and more to do with efficiency.  If you were structuring an island economy like Ireland's, you'd struggle to justify something as inefficient as a border (especially when the rationale for the original border was entirely ideological / sectarian, and paid no heed to structural economic efficiency).  In a common EU, the border had largely ceased to matter.  However, Britain's Brexit frolic is not based on common sense or on hard economics - as Labour peer Lord Adonis noted, the entire fiasco is an "English nationalist spasm".The North would now be better off out of the UK.  This report pre-dates Brexit, and all the jackass stuff that has happened since in Westminster will only have strengthened the force of its pro-unity conclusions: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/457df810-f043-11e5-9f20-c3a047354386Don't worry too much about Stormont.  Of course it's dysfunctional.  What do you expect?  It has no powers and no remit.  London still controls everything.  County councils have more authority.  It's an old truism that nobody grows up until they're given responsibility.  Stormont is a puppet show, with no responsibility.  So long as Britain remains in charge, the North will remain politically irresponsible.  I'd like a federal United Ireland.  Regional parliaments in Cork, Dublin, Galway and Belfast. Covid has shown us what a nonsense our Dublin-centric and Belfast-centric approach to jobs are.  White collar jobs can be done from anywhere. And we need our Unionists.  They're the salt of the earth. As an Irish republican, I can say that with conviction.  My affection for my Unionist neighbours and colleagues is real.  I often get along better with them than my so-called "own kind".  So many decent Unionists opt out of politics altogether.  So many young Unionists emigrate and never return.  The challenge is to find a way to protect and respect their British identity.  It would mean that Ulster (9 counties) would have a Venn-diagram status, with links to both countries.  Why not?  Show some imagination, FFS. I believe a United, tolerant, federal Ireland would be a great place.  Ireland is a very wealthy country already, despite our Beal bocht sentimentality.  If we we were all pulling together in a way that respects all our identities, sky's the limit, folks.  I don't see much creative thinking out there, sadly.  SF has too much baggage ever ti be credible among Unionists.  The Southern parties are a mix of outdated and small-minded anti-Nordie class snobbery from the D4 set ("D4" is a state of mind, some of them live in Meath and Limerick lol) and timidity and temporising by FF.  It can be done, folks."
I'd welcome you with open arms pal..
If we can have Nigerians. Latvians and Russians etc living in the Republic why not stretch it out a bit.
A United Ireland would be phenomenal.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 705 - 21/11/2020 20:22:01    2312228

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Replying To Saynothing:  "The same HSE that busses patients to North for surgery."
Only enhancing my point. . .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4122 - 21/11/2020 20:54:49    2312269

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This was posted as a new thread but since the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

midlands
Posts: 213
21/11/2020
15:50


Bloody Sunday


It is only right that we commemorate Bloody Sunday and the GAA has done some excellent work this week, But why, oh why have the Clare and Waterford players been left standing on the pitch for so long before today's game. This might be Ok in summer time but not in late November.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2230 - 22/11/2020 09:20:53    2312507

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These were posted in reply to the above.

arock
Posts: 4408
21/11/2020
16:07



Replying To midlands: "It is only right that we commemorate Bloody Sunday and the GAA has done some excellent work this week, But why, oh why have the Clare and Waterford players been left standing on the pitch for so long before today's game. This might be Ok in summer time but not in late November."

I was just about to comment and you beat me too it. They had to stand to listen to PROGRAM changes to the starting lineups with not a fan in the crowd and then listen to the list of people killed, finally the anthem. This could all be done via news feed across the screens but a bit pointless in a totally empty stadium.

catch22
Posts: 1629
21/11/2020
16:16



Replying To midlands: "It is only right that we commemorate Bloody Sunday and the GAA has done some excellent work this week, But why, oh why have the Clare and Waterford players been left standing on the pitch for so long before today's game. This might be Ok in summer time but not in late November."

Yeah the GAA have done some nice commemorative work alright. Wouldn't call it exactly frost bite inducing weather though.

galwayford
Posts: 1923
21/11/2020
16:49



I have to say that I was not too impressed with Michael Collins and his group on Bloody Sunday. Sunday is the Sabbath. And should not have been used for assasinations imho. Ireland was a largely Catholic country, and to use Sunday for war purposes was wrong. The men of 1916 at least waited until the Monday of Easter 1916 to start the Rising. Slán

Cockney_Cat
Posts: 1114
21/11/2020
21:50



Replying To galwayford: "I have to say that I was not too impressed with Michael Collins and his group on Bloody Sunday. Sunday is the Sabbath. And should not have been used for assasinations imho. Ireland was a largely Catholic country, and to use Sunday for war purposes was wrong. The men of 1916 at least waited until the Monday of Easter 1916 to start the Rising. Slán"

If you knew anything about the 1916 Easter Rising, you'd know that it was planned for Sunday 23rd. Last minute 'circumstances' delayed the uprising until the following day.

wexico15
Posts: 2575
21/11/2020
21:56



Nice touch by the Dublin team after the game

Greengrass
Posts: 5164
21/11/2020
22:28



Replying To galwayford: "I have to say that I was not too impressed with Michael Collins and his group on Bloody Sunday. Sunday is the Sabbath. And should not have been used for assasinations imho. Ireland was a largely Catholic country, and to use Sunday for war purposes was wrong. The men of 1916 at least waited until the Monday of Easter 1916 to start the Rising. Slán"

Oh dear. The men of 1916 chose Easter Monday because a large number of the British soldiers based in Dublin were in Fairy-house for the Irish National. Sunday was a day of rest which meant that the targets Michael Collins had identified would have been at home . His plan worked

yew_tree
Posts: 10314
21/11/2020
22:30



Replying To galwayford: "I have to say that I was not too impressed with Michael Collins and his group on Bloody Sunday. Sunday is the Sabbath. And should not have been used for assasinations imho. Ireland was a largely Catholic country, and to use Sunday for war purposes was wrong. The men of 1916 at least waited until the Monday of Easter 1916 to start the Rising. Slán"

If you believed the bible you wouldn't be watching the Sunday Game either.

CC2020
Posts: 46
21/11/2020
22:49



Replying To galwayford: "I have to say that I was not too impressed with Michael Collins and his group on Bloody Sunday. Sunday is the Sabbath. And should not have been used for assasinations imho. Ireland was a largely Catholic country, and to use Sunday for war purposes was wrong. The men of 1916 at least waited until the Monday of Easter 1916 to start the Rising. Slán"

That's some Holy Joe of a post.

I imagine a lot of it was down to the fact the agents movements were easier tracked for a Sunday morning, home with families etc.

Bon
Posts: 967
22/11/2020
08:42



Replying To catch22: "Yeah the GAA have done some nice commemorative work alright. Wouldn't call it exactly frost bite inducing weather though."

To be fair the biggest delay for Waterford and Clare was the announcer insisting on reading out both starting 15 lineups when everybody watching at home saw the lineups a short time earlier on screen.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2230 - 22/11/2020 09:31:30    2312516

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Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3303 - 22/11/2020 09:56:53    2312536

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Replying To galwayford:  "Personally I would prefer to see the Irish language revived in the South, rather than reunification. But that alas is not going to happen. Tá brón orm. So unity is the second option. Ulster unionists could consider resettling in Scotland or England post unification. That is their homeland."
We can all share the Island as one country, after a couple of generations of reunification of Ireland will be beneficial to all.

Ta dochas agam.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 22/11/2020 13:01:25    2312659

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Fantastic to see Tipp go the whole hog and change their jersey. Sponsor may not have been happy but money isn't the be all and end all for some counties thankfully.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4122 - 22/11/2020 13:29:46    2312688

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Fantastic to see Tipp go the whole hog and change their jersey. Sponsor may not have been happy but money isn't the be all and end all for some counties thankfully."
Beautiful jersey as well

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1115 - 22/11/2020 13:41:32    2312695

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Fantastic to see Tipp go the whole hog and change their jersey. Sponsor may not have been happy but money isn't the be all and end all for some counties thankfully."
Sponsor said they were happy and they'll do well out of not having their name on the jersey for the day

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1625 - 22/11/2020 13:59:22    2312707

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Beautiful jersey as well"
I agree really nice what is the significance of the Gold? Is it golden vale or something else?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4433 - 22/11/2020 13:59:45    2312708

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Beautiful jersey as well"
Super jersey. Fair play to all concerned.
Great idea by Tipp.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3303 - 22/11/2020 14:02:29    2312710

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Fantastic to see Tipp go the whole hog and change their jersey. Sponsor may not have been happy but money isn't the be all and end all for some counties thankfully."
Sponsor was consulted and was happy to go along with the change.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 216 - 22/11/2020 14:13:43    2312724

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Fantastic to see Tipp go the whole hog and change their jersey. Sponsor may not have been happy but money isn't the be all and end all for some counties thankfully."
Sponsor was more than happy to agree to it. Hopefully it brings them luck now in the second half

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2905 - 22/11/2020 14:21:10    2312730

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Yes I like the Jersey, they're looking pretty good at the moment too, can they hang on?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7758 - 22/11/2020 14:37:19    2312743

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Fantastic to see Tipp go the whole hog and change their jersey. Sponsor may not have been happy but money isn't the be all and end all for some counties thankfully."
A really meaningful act of remembrance.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 828 - 22/11/2020 14:43:30    2312747

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Sponsor said they were happy and they'll do well out of not having their name on the jersey for the day"
Fair play. Only right too.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4122 - 22/11/2020 14:48:20    2312753

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1920 All Ireland Semis

Dublin v Cavan
Mayo v Tipperary

2020 All Ireland Semis

Dublin v Cavan
Mayo v Tipperary

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1183 - 22/11/2020 18:32:06    2313106

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Replying To carlovia:  "1920 All Ireland Semis

Dublin v Cavan
Mayo v Tipperary

2020 All Ireland Semis

Dublin v Cavan
Mayo v Tipperary"
Its unreal

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4433 - 22/11/2020 21:14:39    2313446

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "We can all share the Island as one country, after a couple of generations of reunification of Ireland will be beneficial to all.

Ta dochas agam."
Problem is many from the North don't want this, they think it's all about them.

These commemorations should have been for anyone who wants to yet again it was hijacked online by those who have a tendency to rewrite history to suit them.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 397 - 23/11/2020 18:06:49    2314171

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