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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "listen Westmeath won't last pi**ing time anyway in the Championship so don't be getting too excited.
better bring back football soon or there will be balls kicked lol."
oh stop cursing would you- its gut wrenching listening to it- it is very unfair

Cribbiescubs (Westmeath) - Posts: 21 - 16/10/2020 14:24:26    2298075

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Replying To Cribbiescubs:  "Think ye have enough problems of yer own up there in Donegal without lecturing to us about what to say on our forum"
Your forum? What are you talking about?

I'm not lecturing anyone, There are other threads discussing Dublin's perceived advantages.
Could you not use this thread to discuss how Westmeath might set themselves up against Dublin?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7013 - 16/10/2020 15:19:12    2298098

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "listen Westmeath won't last pi**ing time anyway in the Championship so don't be getting too excited.
better bring back football soon or there will be balls kicked lol."
What you so smug about? Donegal wouldn't last long either if they played Dublin in the first round of the Leinster Championship. They'd also be hammered no matter how defensive ye played your brand of football.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 16/10/2020 15:41:07    2298108

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Your forum? What are you talking about?

I'm not lecturing anyone, There are other threads discussing Dublin's perceived advantages.
Could you not use this thread to discuss how Westmeath might set themselves up against Dublin?"
No

Cribbiescubs (Westmeath) - Posts: 21 - 16/10/2020 15:46:54    2298111

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Replying To Crinigan:  "What you so smug about? Donegal wouldn't last long either if they played Dublin in the first round of the Leinster Championship. They'd also be hammered no matter how defensive ye played your brand of football."
I'd hazard a guess that we'd make a better fist of it than what every other team in Leinster has mustered in the last decade. Who was the last team to beat Dublin in Championship football again?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7013 - 16/10/2020 16:03:12    2298115

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Replying To Cribbiescubs:  "No"
A fantastic well thought out response there.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7013 - 16/10/2020 16:04:59    2298119

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Replying To Crinigan:  "What you so smug about? Donegal wouldn't last long either if they played Dublin in the first round of the Leinster Championship. They'd also be hammered no matter how defensive ye played your brand of football."
This same old tired argument about Donegal's defensive brand of football too that gets trotted out...

In three games in the Ulster Championship last year we posted 2-55. (average 20 points a game)

Then against your own county in the first game of the super 8s we scored 2-19.

Followed that up with a 1-20 to 1-20 draw with Kerry...

Good man.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7013 - 16/10/2020 16:27:48    2298129

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I'd personally be in favour of halting the championship. This mess we're living through; whether you believe the dangers or believe they're overblown, has left the GAA in a very unenviable position. We all want to see games, thats a given, but at what cost to the soul of the game? Is it really worth players training in masks, travelling cross-country to matches with the rest of the country *still basically* in a lockdown or near enough. Is it worth these same fellows playing in the depths of winter in harsh conditions which will do nothing to the quality of the matches and increase the injury risk, in front of empty stadia? The thing is still a long way-off and already you can sense the fatigue with the idea of the season going ahead. I guess the next few days/weeks will tell all.

In relation to the Westmeath fixture, money does talk. They want a good showcase to put the Dubs up on televsision; and whats more, they hope W/Meath get a hammering for the dramatic effect. Make no mistake people, its Dublin, then everybody else. And thats how it has to be, and thats how it will remain. It isnt an organisation (nationally) of equals, and this move shouldnt shock anyone. People like myself like to romanticize the idea of two tiers and three tiers etc, and the idea of every county having a fighting chance of winning trophies, but the reality of the business model points largely the way the current championship is structured, and in lay man's terms, they dont care.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 16/10/2020 16:53:00    2298135

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "This same old tired argument about Donegal's defensive brand of football too that gets trotted out...

In three games in the Ulster Championship last year we posted 2-55. (average 20 points a game)

Then against your own county in the first game of the super 8s we scored 2-19.

Followed that up with a 1-20 to 1-20 draw with Kerry...

Good man."
Exactly Lockjaw. I find Donegal fairly entertaining to watch with the last couple of years and game last year vKerry was thrilling. Donegal are not the boring team some would have us believe.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 218 - 16/10/2020 17:11:17    2298139

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I'd hazard a guess that we'd make a better fist of it than what every other team in Leinster has mustered in the last decade. Who was the last team to beat Dublin in Championship football again?"
Better fist of it? Ye'd be hammered year after year until you've barely a panel left like the rest of Leinster.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 16/10/2020 17:12:19    2298140

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Replying To Young_gael:  "I'd personally be in favour of halting the championship. This mess we're living through; whether you believe the dangers or believe they're overblown, has left the GAA in a very unenviable position. We all want to see games, thats a given, but at what cost to the soul of the game? Is it really worth players training in masks, travelling cross-country to matches with the rest of the country *still basically* in a lockdown or near enough. Is it worth these same fellows playing in the depths of winter in harsh conditions which will do nothing to the quality of the matches and increase the injury risk, in front of empty stadia? The thing is still a long way-off and already you can sense the fatigue with the idea of the season going ahead. I guess the next few days/weeks will tell all.

In relation to the Westmeath fixture, money does talk. They want a good showcase to put the Dubs up on televsision; and whats more, they hope W/Meath get a hammering for the dramatic effect. Make no mistake people, its Dublin, then everybody else. And thats how it has to be, and thats how it will remain. It isnt an organisation (nationally) of equals, and this move shouldnt shock anyone. People like myself like to romanticize the idea of two tiers and three tiers etc, and the idea of every county having a fighting chance of winning trophies, but the reality of the business model points largely the way the current championship is structured, and in lay man's terms, they dont care."
Longford requested their league game in Derry be moved out of there and it was refused by the CCCC. One wonders if it were a 'big' county would this request be refused. Of course not. The Longfords and the Leitrims of this world don't matter to the hierarchy, I'm hopeful that the incoming GAA President will change things about a bit.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 53 - 16/10/2020 17:25:07    2298142

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "A fantastic well thought out response there."
Thank you lockjawer

Cribbiescubs (Westmeath) - Posts: 21 - 16/10/2020 18:39:23    2298156

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Better fist of it? Ye'd be hammered year after year until you've barely a panel left like the rest of Leinster."
Really? With players like Neil McGee, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Ryan McHugh, Paddy McBrearty, Michael Murphy....players who have experienced actually beating Dublin.

Good lad.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7013 - 16/10/2020 18:48:42    2298159

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I have great time for Meath fans and always admired their tenacious tough teams back in the day,
anyway my point is there seems to be a lot of ejits on here purporting to be from Meath lately posting some awful tripe, I wouldn't go judging all Meath fans based on these cringey fools.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 931 - 16/10/2020 21:52:23    2298216

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Longford requested their league game in Derry be moved out of there and it was refused by the CCCC. One wonders if it were a 'big' county would this request be refused. Of course not. The Longfords and the Leitrims of this world don't matter to the hierarchy, I'm hopeful that the incoming GAA President will change things about a bit."
Think you have a good point there. ROC

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 46 - 16/10/2020 21:57:01    2298218

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Really? With players like Neil McGee, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Ryan McHugh, Paddy McBrearty, Michael Murphy....players who have experienced actually beating Dublin.

Good lad."
Donegal would beat the best 15 in Leinster picked from all the counties leaving Dublin out. Standard is brutal leaving Dublin out. Roscommon who have won a couple provincial in recent years are still third best team in connaught in all probability but we would beat next best in Leinster if push came to shove.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 504 - 16/10/2020 21:58:30    2298219

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I have great time for Meath fans and always admired their tenacious tough teams back in the day,
anyway my point is there seems to be a lot of ejits on here purporting to be from Meath lately posting some awful tripe, I wouldn't go judging all Meath fans based on these cringey fools."
100% spot on Tirchonaill1

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2047 - 16/10/2020 22:45:13    2298235

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Meath (FL v Dublin) - Andrew Colgan, Eoin Harkin, Seamus Lavin, David Toner; Brían Conlon, Shane McEntee, Donal Keogan; Bryan Menton, Ronan Jones; Ethan Devine, Cillian O'Sullivan, Jason Scully; Thomas O'Reilly, Donal Lenihan, Barry Dardis.

Team picked a real strange one. McGill is missing and seems rest of Rataoth lads I think thats expected, but McGill a massive loss one of the best full backs in the country. Harkin is unproven, Shane Gallagher and Ronan Ryan are proven county players and good defenders, they must injured. No James McEntee or Harnan also must be injured. For me McGill Ryan Gallagher P Harnan J McEntee are first choice defenders. What Gavin McCoy or Niall kane also options and Robin Clarke another option at the back. Midfield is good with Jones and Menton. Half forwards expected but with McMahon gone very surprised Campion not starting or even Costello. And big surprise Shane Walsh not starting. Looking at that team Conor McGill Shane Gallagher James McEntee Ronan Ryan Byran McMahon Paraig Harnan Two Wallaces Shane Walsh and Mickey Newman are missing thats 8 first teams players. Injuries, players in close contact, maybe a dummy team if not thats the most experimental side McEntee has picked since 2018. Maybe its a dummy team, I dont think one or two might not start. Very surprised by the team selection of Harkin Scully and Dardis is out of the blue. I dont think many would have had them starting and probaly not on the match day panel.

That team has 8 changes to the team that played Meath last game in the league this year. That team has 9 changes to the team that started v Dublin in last years leinster final. We had settled team last year. I am genuinely puzzled by this selection.

The Dublin forwards told Bernard Flynn and journalist that Meath defenders they faced in last years leinster final were the toughest they faced in the last few years. Meath have issues upfront. Every team in div 1 have better forwards but Meath are good at the back. Meath lack top class marque forwards, there is some young forward talent coming through but no gurantee of Giles or O Rourke. Meath problems are upfront. We saw that in last years leinster final

But Meath Kept Dublin to lowest score in championship in first half since 2011 Donegal semi final. Lavin McGill Gallagher and Koeghan were outstanding v Callaghan and co up to 53rd min, then game was up. Meath kept Mannion Callagghan Kilkenny and Costello to 2 points from play up to 53rd min. Kilkenny was very quite on Keoghnan. Meath forwards were shocking poor and hit very low score , Meath lack quality upfront dont have McManus or a Murphy. But Dublin forwards Callaghan and kilkenny and Mannion did tell Bernard Flynn and a journalist that the best defenders they faced in the last few years were Meath, McGill and keoghan are two top class defenders. McGill Koeghan Gallagher Lavin were excellent one on one defending v Dubs you dont seem much anymore. Why Meath were promoted and reached super 8 last year was because of the defence . The Defence that played v Dublin last year 4 are missing today in Conor McGill Padraig Harnan Shane Gallagher and James McEntee. I would be expecting the worst after seen that team picked for today. Not vert confident at all.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 989 - 17/10/2020 08:35:49    2298275

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Replying To Young_gael:  "I'd personally be in favour of halting the championship. This mess we're living through; whether you believe the dangers or believe they're overblown, has left the GAA in a very unenviable position. We all want to see games, thats a given, but at what cost to the soul of the game? Is it really worth players training in masks, travelling cross-country to matches with the rest of the country *still basically* in a lockdown or near enough. Is it worth these same fellows playing in the depths of winter in harsh conditions which will do nothing to the quality of the matches and increase the injury risk, in front of empty stadia? The thing is still a long way-off and already you can sense the fatigue with the idea of the season going ahead. I guess the next few days/weeks will tell all.

In relation to the Westmeath fixture, money does talk. They want a good showcase to put the Dubs up on televsision; and whats more, they hope W/Meath get a hammering for the dramatic effect. Make no mistake people, its Dublin, then everybody else. And thats how it has to be, and thats how it will remain. It isnt an organisation (nationally) of equals, and this move shouldnt shock anyone. People like myself like to romanticize the idea of two tiers and three tiers etc, and the idea of every county having a fighting chance of winning trophies, but the reality of the business model points largely the way the current championship is structured, and in lay man's terms, they dont care."
I was surprised the GAA continued to proceed with their inter county plans. However the GPA survey showed 75% of players are in favour of it. Most inter county squads are run like professional teams; yes sadly there'll be cases but I think they'll operate in a safe environment and barring the country going into level 5 I'm very confident once started the momentum built will ensure we finish the season on the 19th December.

It will be a strange championship but one I see attracting a different type of excitement with huge viewing figures and genuine interest amongst the public; it will also be very good for the well-being of the country.

In terms of Dublin; this championship moreso than ever is a television/media championship, one to ensure as many gaels as possible can view games but mainly to ensure the media channels can show our games at a peak time. A part of this decision would also take into account other sports due to the time of year and they'll want to put a package of live sports together for certain days for Now TV subscriptions and advertising revenues etc.

The GAA would have to go with what Sky for example want; that's what a contract is. Mullingar doesn't have lights and Sky obviously wanted the Dublin game in the evening, it's not right but business is business but it's not to favour Dublin. You're correct though about the business model; media rights is very much part of that model.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 644 - 17/10/2020 08:45:02    2298276

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Delighted with Meath performance with so many players missing. Closest leinster team has got to Dublin in championship or league in 7 years, since Meath lost by 7 points in leinster final 2013.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 989 - 17/10/2020 20:41:36    2298510

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