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Replying To sam1884:  "It's hard to see Meath beating Monaghan so I think it's more likely you have a winner takes all game in Castlebar. If Meath do surprise people then you're correct it doesn't matter what happens in the Tyrone/Mayo game but I don't see that happening. As things stand you'd have to say Tyrone are in a bit of trouble and probably favourites to go down with Meath."
Tyrone win keeps monaghan up regardless of result in clones as would come down to head to head with mayo. Id say mayo will win and clones could end in a draw.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1499 - 19/10/2020 14:19:51    2299201

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I'd leave Aidan O'Shea at FF or Full back, he takes too much out of the ball and slows Mayo down out the field, his tendency to dive as well does him no favours, Mayo look far better with him inside, he'd win a few penalties too with his other talents.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1092 - 19/10/2020 14:21:53    2299203

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Oh for sure there are times he tries that move where he tries to barge through the middle of 2 tacklers but the criticism of him at times is absolutely ridiculous, even in his own county at times. He can fade at times but Dublin in the 17 final his performance in the first hour was the springboard for Mayo been in a great position in the last 10. He would make any team in the country in my opinion."
I'd agree with all of that, but the bigger the talent, the more criticism he'll get for any underperformance. Shane Walsh gets criticism in Galway as he's expected to do a lot more than most. Some of it's completely unjustified, but at times he has been inconsistent. When you know how talented someone is, that can be frustrating.
O'Shea has all the tools to be devastating. He would indeed make any team in the country.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 883 - 19/10/2020 15:11:24    2299220

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Replying To TheUsername:  "We're looking light there to me a chara. We could do with Jonnys injury not being to serious. We have a massive Jack shaped hole at the back, while McDaid and Eric are game, they are not not in that territory. No sign of Rory tonight, Daly retired (always a big fan of Daly) What did you think of Murphy? I thought he was keen as mustered, a few rookie errors - frees and handling on the ground, he's in there on form though with TD - be interesting to see can he step up. No Jamesy tonight, Philly was on the bench. Cian looked like he was moving very very well, he looked back to his old self in in the Dublin Senior A. A lad I've been banging the drum for a while is Sean Byrne from Raheny, he was on the bench in Jan, not sure if he still knocking around the squad. He was great in the Senior A this year to.

Ah didn't know that about Newman has he jacked up?"
Just saw highlights of Dubs Meath game. Good to see Meath getting stronger. On the Dubs I think Phillys day is nearly over. Don't think he has the pace anymore and Rory needs lots of football. He has nt been the same since his return. However Mick Fitz David Byrne Johnny Cooper. James MC. Jn Small Cian Ó Sullivan and Murchan still very strong so pick 6 out of that 7.Howard Fenton midfield and some selection of forwards

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 715 - 19/10/2020 15:40:41    2299232

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Just saw highlights of Dubs Meath game. Good to see Meath getting stronger. On the Dubs I think Phillys day is nearly over. Don't think he has the pace anymore and Rory needs lots of football. He has nt been the same since his return. However Mick Fitz David Byrne Johnny Cooper. James MC. Jn Small Cian Ó Sullivan and Murchan still very strong so pick 6 out of that 7.Howard Fenton midfield and some selection of forwards"
Yeah there are teams like Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Galway etc that are being talked up but the fact remains that this is still an awfully good Dublin team and it will take a monumental performance to knock them off their perch. Below is a starting 15 I did quickly off the top of my head. It'll take a hell of a performance to beat them.

1. Cluxton
2. Fitzsimons
3. Cooper
4. Small
5. McCarthy
6. O'Sullivan
7. Murchan
8. Fenton
9. Howard
10. Scully
11. Kilkenny
12. P Small
13. Rock
14. O'Callaghan
15. Mannion

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7084 - 19/10/2020 15:52:22    2299238

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah there are teams like Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Galway etc that are being talked up but the fact remains that this is still an awfully good Dublin team and it will take a monumental performance to knock them off their perch. Below is a starting 15 I did quickly off the top of my head. It'll take a hell of a performance to beat them.

1. Cluxton
2. Fitzsimons
3. Cooper
4. Small
5. McCarthy
6. O'Sullivan
7. Murchan
8. Fenton
9. Howard
10. Scully
11. Kilkenny
12. P Small
13. Rock
14. O'Callaghan
15. Mannion"
Good team Lockjaw and as you say other teams coming on too so strong Dublin team needed. Donegal in a good place now too. Mayo looked fab yesterday but Ill reserve judgement till I see them again but they do look like they have found some lovely players. Galway looked terrible bit in fairness had a lot missing. Hope the covid does nt hit the teams going forward.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 715 - 19/10/2020 16:09:51    2299245

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Just saw highlights of Dubs Meath game. Good to see Meath getting stronger. On the Dubs I think Phillys day is nearly over. Don't think he has the pace anymore and Rory needs lots of football. He has nt been the same since his return. However Mick Fitz David Byrne Johnny Cooper. James MC. Jn Small Cian Ó Sullivan and Murchan still very strong so pick 6 out of that 7.Howard Fenton midfield and some selection of forwards"
I think we are desperately trying to uncover talent at the back Mick, i think its Dessies priority no 1 and we have used a plethora of players there in the league as try out both at half back and and full backs. Nothing hugely promising has come up though Cian Murphy from Davies's was keen and showed potential via a few mistakes on Saturday.

I think Philly & Cian are in the winters of their careers. Daly for me is a huge loss, he may not have been a regular starter but was a go to to do any job in the back line and not bat an eye lid - a safety player - the eagle eyed amongst noticed he looked to have taken up a backroom role on Saturday. Jamsey might needed in midfield as might Howard or in the half forward line. We hare light there in my opinion and Jack is just a massive loss, force of nature.

For me anyway, i think our discipline has disimproved since Jim has left, we so far have been a bit rowdy at the back and or a bit lazy giving away scoring free kicks. The likes of young O Shea will gobble them up.

I think we will patch together a defense this championship, but im personally a bit concerned about the players missing and our lightness there. Our discipline and my own opinion is Dessies teams tend to be a bit more open and less pragmatic then Jim's teams in latter years. Just my take.

All that said we still have Stevo. ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3687 - 19/10/2020 16:23:17    2299252

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Mayo look outstanding, the best i have ever seen them play cant see anyone stopping them.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 486 - 19/10/2020 16:36:37    2299256

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Replying To brisbane:  "Mayo look outstanding, the best i have ever seen them play cant see anyone stopping them."
Roscommon will clip their wings and bring them down to earth

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1089 - 19/10/2020 16:43:44    2299260

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I think we are desperately trying to uncover talent at the back Mick, i think its Dessies priority no 1 and we have used a plethora of players there in the league as try out both at half back and and full backs. Nothing hugely promising has come up though Cian Murphy from Davies's was keen and showed potential via a few mistakes on Saturday.

I think Philly & Cian are in the winters of their careers. Daly for me is a huge loss, he may not have been a regular starter but was a go to to do any job in the back line and not bat an eye lid - a safety player - the eagle eyed amongst noticed he looked to have taken up a backroom role on Saturday. Jamsey might needed in midfield as might Howard or in the half forward line. We hare light there in my opinion and Jack is just a massive loss, force of nature.

For me anyway, i think our discipline has disimproved since Jim has left, we so far have been a bit rowdy at the back and or a bit lazy giving away scoring free kicks. The likes of young O Shea will gobble them up.

I think we will patch together a defense this championship, but im personally a bit concerned about the players missing and our lightness there. Our discipline and my own opinion is Dessies teams tend to be a bit more open and less pragmatic then Jim's teams in latter years. Just my take.

All that said we still have Stevo. ;)"
Think you have hit the nail on the head again...

Our full back line wont be able to cope with the likes of kerry this year.

James will go to midfield.

John Small and Jonny Cooper will be targeted yet again.... weak link in relation to staying on the pitch and lasting the full game. Philly's legs are gone and COS wont last the pace.
Mick Fitz, Murch and I reckon Howard & Byrne into the defence.

Would love to have Eoghan O'Donnell in the back line but it appears his first love is for the small ball....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 19/10/2020 17:27:06    2299287

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Replying To katser:  "Roscommon will clip their wings and bring them down to earth"
In fairness Roscommon will be a fierce battle...unlike yesterday

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10354 - 19/10/2020 17:42:56    2299296

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I think we are desperately trying to uncover talent at the back Mick, i think its Dessies priority no 1 and we have used a plethora of players there in the league as try out both at half back and and full backs. Nothing hugely promising has come up though Cian Murphy from Davies's was keen and showed potential via a few mistakes on Saturday.

I think Philly & Cian are in the winters of their careers. Daly for me is a huge loss, he may not have been a regular starter but was a go to to do any job in the back line and not bat an eye lid - a safety player - the eagle eyed amongst noticed he looked to have taken up a backroom role on Saturday. Jamsey might needed in midfield as might Howard or in the half forward line. We hare light there in my opinion and Jack is just a massive loss, force of nature.

For me anyway, i think our discipline has disimproved since Jim has left, we so far have been a bit rowdy at the back and or a bit lazy giving away scoring free kicks. The likes of young O Shea will gobble them up.

I think we will patch together a defense this championship, but im personally a bit concerned about the players missing and our lightness there. Our discipline and my own opinion is Dessies teams tend to be a bit more open and less pragmatic then Jim's teams in latter years. Just my take.

All that said we still have Stevo. ;)"
Yip you still have Stevo is right and a good deputy in Comerford too. I agree Daly a loss as he was very solid. Jack a big loss but still think you strong at back once injuries don't kick in. Midfield you have Fenton. /Howard/Jamsie and maybe even Ó Coiffaigh Byrne or Darren Gavin. Bolger a good one too. You still very strong but I can understand your apprehension.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 715 - 19/10/2020 17:52:55    2299305

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Replying To Fionn:  "Think you have hit the nail on the head again...

Our full back line wont be able to cope with the likes of kerry this year.

James will go to midfield.

John Small and Jonny Cooper will be targeted yet again.... weak link in relation to staying on the pitch and lasting the full game. Philly's legs are gone and COS wont last the pace.
Mick Fitz, Murch and I reckon Howard & Byrne into the defence.

Would love to have Eoghan O'Donnell in the back line but it appears his first love is for the small ball...."
A year to far in my opinion, dont see us winning the championship myself, time waits for no man.

Dermo, Flynner, Daly, Bernard retired, Jack off saving the world, Jim gone. A lot of the squad maybe in there final year. New manager - new ideas - under par in the league. Id be amazed if we hang on to Sam, hopefully im wrong. Just cumulatively to much in my opinion.

But who knows, we've never seen a group of players like this in the game before.

At the same time we cant be greedy either and being sportingafter being spoilt for so long is important. Fresh snow this year in my opinion and i think we will have new winners. The Jim Gavin era is at an end and Dublin are in transition and rebuilding. If we win an All Ireland in the next three years that has to be our aim in a rebuild, thankfully we looked to have a good few prospects in the U20s.

As for this year id go something like.

---------Stevo

Fitzer---Johnny---Davey

Small---Cian----Murch

----Fenton--Jamsey

Howard-Ciaran-Scully

Mannion- Con- Rock.


We could move Jamsey, Small, Cian, Howard around - maybe bring Bugler into half forwards - the lad is a serious footballer full pelt.

The depth on the bench looks as light as ive seen it in many a year.

Im not considering Aoran Byrne either until he gets a hair cut - seriously Aaron. :D

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3687 - 19/10/2020 17:53:06    2299306

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Replying To Fionn:  "Think you have hit the nail on the head again...

Our full back line wont be able to cope with the likes of kerry this year.

James will go to midfield.

John Small and Jonny Cooper will be targeted yet again.... weak link in relation to staying on the pitch and lasting the full game. Philly's legs are gone and COS wont last the pace.
Mick Fitz, Murch and I reckon Howard & Byrne into the defence.

Would love to have Eoghan O'Donnell in the back line but it appears his first love is for the small ball...."
P.S. Eoghan is a terrific footballer but he tends to play in the forwards for WHCC. I dont know why we dont give Sean McMahon a run, JIm game his a whirl in the OBC - hugely impressive and Dessie had him at underage. He was on the bench for the Monaghan or Donegal game in Jan/Feb this year - didnt see him at the weekend. Had a really good championship with Raheny as well, lad is a footballer for my money.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3687 - 19/10/2020 18:02:11    2299311

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Replying To yew_tree:  "In fairness Roscommon will be a fierce battle...unlike yesterday"
Roscommon can afford to rest their big players v Cavan and then have the luxury of 2 weeks break before CFC Semi Final
Mayo will need their big players in order to beat Tyrone, then play Leitrim a week later. By the time they face Roscommon it will be 4 consecutive weekends in a row.
Can definitely see Mayo getting "bogged down" and ambushed v Roscommon.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1089 - 19/10/2020 18:25:11    2299319

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Replying To TheUsername:  "A year to far in my opinion, dont see us winning the championship myself, time waits for no man.

Dermo, Flynner, Daly, Bernard retired, Jack off saving the world, Jim gone. A lot of the squad maybe in there final year. New manager - new ideas - under par in the league. Id be amazed if we hang on to Sam, hopefully im wrong. Just cumulatively to much in my opinion.

But who knows, we've never seen a group of players like this in the game before.

At the same time we cant be greedy either and being sportingafter being spoilt for so long is important. Fresh snow this year in my opinion and i think we will have new winners. The Jim Gavin era is at an end and Dublin are in transition and rebuilding. If we win an All Ireland in the next three years that has to be our aim in a rebuild, thankfully we looked to have a good few prospects in the U20s.

As for this year id go something like.

---------Stevo

Fitzer---Johnny---Davey

Small---Cian----Murch

----Fenton--Jamsey

Howard-Ciaran-Scully

Mannion- Con- Rock.


We could move Jamsey, Small, Cian, Howard around - maybe bring Bugler into half forwards - the lad is a serious footballer full pelt.

The depth on the bench looks as light as ive seen it in many a year.

Im not considering Aoran Byrne either until he gets a hair cut - seriously Aaron. :D"
1.Cluxton.2.Cooper.3.Mick Fitz. 4.David Byrne. 5.James MC. 6.Cian Ó Sullivan. 7.Murchan/Small.8.Fenton.9.Howard.10.Kilkenny 11.O Callaghan. 12.Scully.13.Mannion.14.Basquel 15.Rock

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 715 - 19/10/2020 18:27:39    2299321

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Replying To TheUsername:  "A year to far in my opinion, dont see us winning the championship myself, time waits for no man.

Dermo, Flynner, Daly, Bernard retired, Jack off saving the world, Jim gone. A lot of the squad maybe in there final year. New manager - new ideas - under par in the league. Id be amazed if we hang on to Sam, hopefully im wrong. Just cumulatively to much in my opinion.

But who knows, we've never seen a group of players like this in the game before.

At the same time we cant be greedy either and being sportingafter being spoilt for so long is important. Fresh snow this year in my opinion and i think we will have new winners. The Jim Gavin era is at an end and Dublin are in transition and rebuilding. If we win an All Ireland in the next three years that has to be our aim in a rebuild, thankfully we looked to have a good few prospects in the U20s.

As for this year id go something like.

---------Stevo

Fitzer---Johnny---Davey

Small---Cian----Murch

----Fenton--Jamsey

Howard-Ciaran-Scully

Mannion- Con- Rock.


We could move Jamsey, Small, Cian, Howard around - maybe bring Bugler into half forwards - the lad is a serious footballer full pelt.

The depth on the bench looks as light as ive seen it in many a year.

Im not considering Aoran Byrne either until he gets a hair cut - seriously Aaron. :D"
I dont think that FB line wont be strong or big enough v kerry, especially with the Mark rule now in.

Bugler in and Howard moved to centre back.

Hopefully Dessie has a trick up his sleeve... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 19/10/2020 19:04:01    2299341

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Replying To katser:  "Roscommon can afford to rest their big players v Cavan and then have the luxury of 2 weeks break before CFC Semi Final
Mayo will need their big players in order to beat Tyrone, then play Leitrim a week later. By the time they face Roscommon it will be 4 consecutive weekends in a row.
Can definitely see Mayo getting "bogged down" and ambushed v Roscommon."
Yeah Mayo will have to play a full strength team against Leitrim and play it like an All Ireland Final to have any chance of getting through enough. A lot of people really do only see what they want to see don't they?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 436 - 19/10/2020 20:12:05    2299361

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Replying To katser:  "Roscommon can afford to rest their big players v Cavan and then have the luxury of 2 weeks break before CFC Semi Final
Mayo will need their big players in order to beat Tyrone, then play Leitrim a week later. By the time they face Roscommon it will be 4 consecutive weekends in a row.
Can definitely see Mayo getting "bogged down" and ambushed v Roscommon."
Good for you...place the bet so. Roscommon for the Nestor Cup.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10354 - 19/10/2020 20:12:18    2299362

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Replying To yew_tree:  "In fairness Roscommon will be a fierce battle...unlike yesterday"
Yesterday was league; ye are in relegation trouble.. Championship will be different. Ye need a Connacht title badly.. heading for 6 years..

Galwaymaster9 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 19/10/2020 20:18:06    2299367

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