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Replying To eoghan6688:  "Ok, but should the potential earnings not be reduced, at least? Even if they reduced the average earnings per contestant by 2k per episode, that would be plenty of additional 10k's saved up over a season, which could be put to better use"
Is this a joke? Honestly tell me you are joking here.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 24/08/2020 16:53:57    2288948

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Is this a joke? Honestly tell me you are joking here."
Why not? Why does the minimum prize money have to be so high? Is it really wrong to potentially stop Mary from Lucan gaining an extra couple of grand, when she will already get thousands anyway

eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 120 - 24/08/2020 17:24:44    2288953

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Replying To eoghan6688:  "Why not? Why does the minimum prize money have to be so high? Is it really wrong to potentially stop Mary from Lucan gaining an extra couple of grand, when she will already get thousands anyway"
Not going to even explain this. Maybe you are a young lad in which case I might excuse you. If you aren't a young lad then you need to have a sit down with yourself on this one. Think about it lad. Try and figure this one out and come back to me. Hint: Follow the money.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 24/08/2020 17:44:42    2288958

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It's rigged, it's boring, it's for old people, it's sad, it's dull, it's repetitive, the list goes on and on. Can RTE do nothing right, one failure after another, if it's not the Sunday Game's presenter and pundits, it's the National lottery's game show that's boring, repetitive, and for old people, it's all a joke, no it's not, yes it is.

Joe, RTE needs your help.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2114 - 24/08/2020 17:48:33    2288960

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Shouting the loudest does not make you the best debater. Brolly continually talked over the other panelists, went off on bizarre tangents and seemed to crave attention, deliberately taking controversial positions that I honestly doubt he believed in to try to get a headline. The football became secondary, he wanted every programme he was on to be the Joe show. He got progressively worse over the years as his profile went to his head and he was unbearable by the end in my humble opinion.

I understand that some people enjoyed the heated debates and chaos that often ensued when he was on, but it wasn't my cup of tea personally."
One thing about Joe on RTE was he was a neutral. He didn't have any hidden agenda to try and impact things on the field. Over the years there was some suspicion panalists tried to put a narrative out about certain teams which they were successful in doing; it could be argued this had and still has an impact on some counties reputation today despite how they try to play football - this makes it more difficult for those teams to be successful in games and the evidence from some dodgy refereeing decisions usually from older referees makes it show this narrative became entrenced in GAA minds. Take Tyrone's semi final last year as a lasting legacy from that narrative.

I don't blame the referees or officals btw; they obviously watch and listen to the same shows as us all. An attempt was made by the same panalists to discredit Dublin's success, the country told show after show, article after article that Dublin are only winning because of the AIG deal, GAA coaching grants, players are professional etc etc. The only narrative I see is panalists from certain counties don't like it when others are being successful or becoming a threat to them; when they're no longer a threat it's all, sure it was banter and I apologise for saying those things.

Brolly took that nonsense on and called it out, what he seen he said no holding back, no hidden agenda just pure honesty and also said it about his own county Derry, cracking jokes about them being in Div 4. He knew when a panalist, he was a panalist, yes they can love their county but they're there to be neutral and say things as they see them. Lyster allowed him to be himself and his lively debates usually came about from the others not happy at him challenging the narrative they were there to put out, yes of course he did become a showman but Lyster knew how to keep him in check.

It is 2020 and Lyster has moved on so RTE has changed. Maybe there isn't room for Brolly or the panalists who were allowed to put their narrative out for years. RTE have in my opinion realised unlike other sports the counties have no legal obligation to participate in their shows through interviews etc. RTE now have a very set pre show script imo and a safe policy of not annoying anybody has become the agenda. It makes it painful and boring to watch, we're already seeing people starting to like the Sky shows.

As for Brolly as his newspaper article, TV deal for the league and reports he is about to sign for BBC to cover the Ulster Championship indicate; he is the best analyist in the country; he wasn't poor at this job it's just the new people over the Sunday Game didn't want people going off script. RTE probably hoped he would disappear from analysis after they moved him on; now he is on the outside being provided plenty of platforms to critique their show and show people the countries best analyist is not working for RTE. Ironically neither is the second with Canavan at Sky.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 648 - 24/08/2020 18:01:23    2288963

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Replying To sam1884:  "One thing about Joe on RTE was he was a neutral. He didn't have any hidden agenda to try and impact things on the field. Over the years there was some suspicion panalists tried to put a narrative out about certain teams which they were successful in doing; it could be argued this had and still has an impact on some counties reputation today despite how they try to play football - this makes it more difficult for those teams to be successful in games and the evidence from some dodgy refereeing decisions usually from older referees makes it show this narrative became entrenced in GAA minds. Take Tyrone's semi final last year as a lasting legacy from that narrative.

I don't blame the referees or officals btw; they obviously watch and listen to the same shows as us all. An attempt was made by the same panalists to discredit Dublin's success, the country told show after show, article after article that Dublin are only winning because of the AIG deal, GAA coaching grants, players are professional etc etc. The only narrative I see is panalists from certain counties don't like it when others are being successful or becoming a threat to them; when they're no longer a threat it's all, sure it was banter and I apologise for saying those things.

Brolly took that nonsense on and called it out, what he seen he said no holding back, no hidden agenda just pure honesty and also said it about his own county Derry, cracking jokes about them being in Div 4. He knew when a panalist, he was a panalist, yes they can love their county but they're there to be neutral and say things as they see them. Lyster allowed him to be himself and his lively debates usually came about from the others not happy at him challenging the narrative they were there to put out, yes of course he did become a showman but Lyster knew how to keep him in check.

It is 2020 and Lyster has moved on so RTE has changed. Maybe there isn't room for Brolly or the panalists who were allowed to put their narrative out for years. RTE have in my opinion realised unlike other sports the counties have no legal obligation to participate in their shows through interviews etc. RTE now have a very set pre show script imo and a safe policy of not annoying anybody has become the agenda. It makes it painful and boring to watch, we're already seeing people starting to like the Sky shows.

As for Brolly as his newspaper article, TV deal for the league and reports he is about to sign for BBC to cover the Ulster Championship indicate; he is the best analyist in the country; he wasn't poor at this job it's just the new people over the Sunday Game didn't want people going off script. RTE probably hoped he would disappear from analysis after they moved him on; now he is on the outside being provided plenty of platforms to critique their show and show people the countries best analyist is not working for RTE. Ironically neither is the second with Canavan at Sky."
Joe Brolly was neutral? Nope he wasn't. Certainly not in the last few years. A constant agenda.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 24/08/2020 18:28:33    2288964

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Yeah I get my mistake now (which I knew!), although tbf all British gameshows are bankrolled by TV companies as far as I know, so that mixed me up. I don't buy the other argument though, that any programming for older people should be untouchable and immune from the scrapheap

eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 120 - 24/08/2020 19:01:45    2288970

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RTE should at least reduce the average earnings of a contestant in Winning Streak, if not scrap the show.

It's sad how dull and repetitive some of the games are and what's the point anyway if their not going to bother with CGI games anymore, the show is now beyond boring
eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 98 - 24/08/2020 15:58:29
Why? Its national lotto money not RTEs so why reduce earnings people make from it. Yes games are repetitive but who cares

Ok, but should the potential earnings not be reduced, at least? Even if they reduced the average earnings per contestant by 2k per episode, that would be plenty of additional 10k's saved up over a season, which could be put to better use
eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 98 - 24/08/2020 16:43:08
10k saved for better use for who? The prize money isnt near the same budget as new show productions etc

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1371 - 24/08/2020 19:07:10    2288971

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Joe Brolly was neutral? Nope he wasn't. Certainly not in the last few years. A constant agenda."
He had an agenda to call out what many were afraid to say and evidence shows he was barely wrong. He said in 2011 Kerry would have a tough decade; they managed to somehow win an All Ireland in 2014 but in the main he was correct. He said to be a true great you should stand up in All Ireland finals; again probably correct and whilst going slightly too far something is wrong in Mayo football when a team as good as they've had couldn't win an All Ireland.

Donegal were successful but he didn't hold back on the tactics used; he acknowledged the amazing miracle project put in place and how transformed they became which again was correct; country didn't like the tactics neither did he but he was honest enough to give credit to what went on to turn them into winners.

He is the only analysist neutral I mean who truly praises Dublin's success and style of football. When you have neutral glasses on it's possible to sit back and appreciate what we're lucky to witness and cut out all this other agenda to build a narrative as to protect other great teams in history.

He'll continue to give his analysis but as we've seen since the Sunday game isn't the same and everybody if they want to admit it or not knows the star is gone from that show.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 648 - 24/08/2020 19:47:02    2288978

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Joe Brolly was neutral? Nope he wasn't. Certainly not in the last few years. A constant agenda."
Brolly has an opinion and RTE don't like when they cannot control the narrative. That's why the show is a bland , scripted affair that Cantwell and co can keep control of. Not that he was like Brolly but equally John Giles was moved on and he was the best analyst they ever had.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1530 - 24/08/2020 19:55:29    2288982

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Replying To sam1884:  "He had an agenda to call out what many were afraid to say and evidence shows he was barely wrong. He said in 2011 Kerry would have a tough decade; they managed to somehow win an All Ireland in 2014 but in the main he was correct. He said to be a true great you should stand up in All Ireland finals; again probably correct and whilst going slightly too far something is wrong in Mayo football when a team as good as they've had couldn't win an All Ireland.

Donegal were successful but he didn't hold back on the tactics used; he acknowledged the amazing miracle project put in place and how transformed they became which again was correct; country didn't like the tactics neither did he but he was honest enough to give credit to what went on to turn them into winners.

He is the only analysist neutral I mean who truly praises Dublin's success and style of football. When you have neutral glasses on it's possible to sit back and appreciate what we're lucky to witness and cut out all this other agenda to build a narrative as to protect other great teams in history.

He'll continue to give his analysis but as we've seen since the Sunday game isn't the same and everybody if they want to admit it or not knows the star is gone from that show."
There is a reason for his sudden massive over critical stance on Mayo. Same with Tyrone. He courts controversy and publicity. And he has contradicted himself so many times people lost count.

He always claims he predicted this and that. Most famously in a recent article when he was praising himself for predicting Donegal beating Dublin in 2014 when nobody else would listen to him. He gave a number of reasons why he predicted it. Yet when you watch the tv coverage on the day he predicted Dublin. I am not saying Cantwell is good or that Spillane and O Rourke are better than Brolly but the fawning over Joe is hilarious.

Dublin have been praised left right and centre and rightly so but Brolly was clearly in love with them and longing to be buddies the way he was carrying on. That came to fruition in the final last year.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 24/08/2020 20:16:04    2288986

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Replying To catch22:  "Brolly has an opinion and RTE don't like when they cannot control the narrative. That's why the show is a bland , scripted affair that Cantwell and co can keep control of. Not that he was like Brolly but equally John Giles was moved on and he was the best analyst they ever had."
John Giles WAS the best. WAS. He was dreadful the last few years. Still dreadful on his Newstalk slot. A big name but way past his best.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 24/08/2020 20:17:31    2288987

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Replying To catch22:  "Brolly has an opinion and RTE don't like when they cannot control the narrative. That's why the show is a bland , scripted affair that Cantwell and co can keep control of. Not that he was like Brolly but equally John Giles was moved on and he was the best analyst they ever had."
Giles was past his sell by date by a few years when he went after Euro 2016. There was barely a broadcast with him that went by without him giving out about Directors of Football and saying every club should be run the way Ferguson ran Man United and his remembering of basic details was really bad towards the end, unlike Bill and Eamon who always remembered basic details about well known players and teams. It was very sad watching him and hoping he wouldn't forget who a particular player was, when analysing a goal

eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 120 - 24/08/2020 20:40:24    2288989

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Replying To sam1884:  "One thing about Joe on RTE was he was a neutral. He didn't have any hidden agenda to try and impact things on the field. Over the years there was some suspicion panalists tried to put a narrative out about certain teams which they were successful in doing; it could be argued this had and still has an impact on some counties reputation today despite how they try to play football - this makes it more difficult for those teams to be successful in games and the evidence from some dodgy refereeing decisions usually from older referees makes it show this narrative became entrenced in GAA minds. Take Tyrone's semi final last year as a lasting legacy from that narrative.

I don't blame the referees or officals btw; they obviously watch and listen to the same shows as us all. An attempt was made by the same panalists to discredit Dublin's success, the country told show after show, article after article that Dublin are only winning because of the AIG deal, GAA coaching grants, players are professional etc etc. The only narrative I see is panalists from certain counties don't like it when others are being successful or becoming a threat to them; when they're no longer a threat it's all, sure it was banter and I apologise for saying those things.

Brolly took that nonsense on and called it out, what he seen he said no holding back, no hidden agenda just pure honesty and also said it about his own county Derry, cracking jokes about them being in Div 4. He knew when a panalist, he was a panalist, yes they can love their county but they're there to be neutral and say things as they see them. Lyster allowed him to be himself and his lively debates usually came about from the others not happy at him challenging the narrative they were there to put out, yes of course he did become a showman but Lyster knew how to keep him in check.

It is 2020 and Lyster has moved on so RTE has changed. Maybe there isn't room for Brolly or the panalists who were allowed to put their narrative out for years. RTE have in my opinion realised unlike other sports the counties have no legal obligation to participate in their shows through interviews etc. RTE now have a very set pre show script imo and a safe policy of not annoying anybody has become the agenda. It makes it painful and boring to watch, we're already seeing people starting to like the Sky shows.

As for Brolly as his newspaper article, TV deal for the league and reports he is about to sign for BBC to cover the Ulster Championship indicate; he is the best analyist in the country; he wasn't poor at this job it's just the new people over the Sunday Game didn't want people going off script. RTE probably hoped he would disappear from analysis after they moved him on; now he is on the outside being provided plenty of platforms to critique their show and show people the countries best analyist is not working for RTE. Ironically neither is the second with Canavan at Sky."
What about Joe's attack on Sean Cavanagh?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11452 - 24/08/2020 21:06:49    2288994

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "John Giles WAS the best. WAS. He was dreadful the last few years. Still dreadful on his Newstalk slot. A big name but way past his best."
Ok, so you don't like either Brolly or Giles which seems like you don't like straight talkers. Who would you be inclined to prefer that is so much better ?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1530 - 24/08/2020 21:24:00    2289003

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Replying To eoghan6688:  "Giles was past his sell by date by a few years when he went after Euro 2016. There was barely a broadcast with him that went by without him giving out about Directors of Football and saying every club should be run the way Ferguson ran Man United and his remembering of basic details was really bad towards the end, unlike Bill and Eamon who always remembered basic details about well known players and teams. It was very sad watching him and hoping he wouldn't forget who a particular player was, when analysing a goal"
Well Dunphy didn't think so.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1530 - 24/08/2020 21:25:28    2289004

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Shouting the loudest does not make you the best debater. Brolly continually talked over the other panelists, went off on bizarre tangents and seemed to crave attention, deliberately taking controversial positions that I honestly doubt he believed in to try to get a headline. The football became secondary, he wanted every programme he was on to be the Joe show. He got progressively worse over the years as his profile went to his head and he was unbearable by the end in my humble opinion.

I understand that some people enjoyed the heated debates and chaos that often ensued when he was on, but it wasn't my cup of tea personally."
Joe exercised his vocal chords when needed to put his point across with a level of sincerity and passion. You as a Kerry person should know what shouting is all about and it's definition, if Joe was accused of shouting through the political correctness channel he may have lost his case, however there's no way Joe went anywhere near 60 db. I do know that some people's tone of voice can be considered as shouting, depending on who's calling the shots.
There was a time when we could go into the local pub on a Sunday night and we couldn't wait to watch the Sunday game, in Michael Lyster's time, the pub would be packed, we couldn't hear ourselves think with the noise of the crowd, turn up the TV someone would SHOUT to the barman, I can't he'd say, it's max'd out. We would shout at one another irrespective of who was listening to get our point across, if we went home with sore throats we would settle for that. I would dispute at least a few things, 1. That he shouted others down, 2. That he seemed to crave attention. 3. That football was secondary.

The thing is though, joe is football, he is controversial, he is a class debater,when his own county is not involved, he see's things as a neutral, he can get a headline if he never spoke a word. I understand Joe, perhaps his accent is a bit difficult to understand at times but I can live with that.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2114 - 24/08/2020 21:33:50    2289008

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Replying To supersub15:  "Joe exercised his vocal chords when needed to put his point across with a level of sincerity and passion. You as a Kerry person should know what shouting is all about and it's definition, if Joe was accused of shouting through the political correctness channel he may have lost his case, however there's no way Joe went anywhere near 60 db. I do know that some people's tone of voice can be considered as shouting, depending on who's calling the shots.
There was a time when we could go into the local pub on a Sunday night and we couldn't wait to watch the Sunday game, in Michael Lyster's time, the pub would be packed, we couldn't hear ourselves think with the noise of the crowd, turn up the TV someone would SHOUT to the barman, I can't he'd say, it's max'd out. We would shout at one another irrespective of who was listening to get our point across, if we went home with sore throats we would settle for that. I would dispute at least a few things, 1. That he shouted others down, 2. That he seemed to crave attention. 3. That football was secondary.

The thing is though, joe is football, he is controversial, he is a class debater,when his own county is not involved, he see's things as a neutral, he can get a headline if he never spoke a word. I understand Joe, perhaps his accent is a bit difficult to understand at times but I can live with that."
Not really sure what most of your post is about but we can agree to disagree on Brolly. He is a poor analyst in my opinion, flip flopped on topics all the time, talked over others, couldn't wait to tell his irrelevant anecdotes etc, just not what I want to watch personally. He clearly appealed to many including yourself and that is fair enough. There are other platforms where you can still get his views which is good.

I am glad that he is gone from RTE because they often are the only channel covering certain big games and I have no interest in hearing anything Brolly has to say about football quite honestly. That is not to say I expect the coverage to be perfect from now on, RTE still have a way to go on that front.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1912 - 24/08/2020 22:56:00    2289017

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Brolly isn't a bad analyst when he sticks to the analysis and respects what other analysts and presenters have to say even if he disagrees. On the Sunday Game he sometimes came across as insecure and controlling. Used to drive me daft with rude interruptions and going off in tangents. He often looked more insecure in the presence of O'Rourke and Spillane, for me genuinely two of the greats of Gaelic Football. Don't know why, they were two mighty players but Joe was very good, has a Celtic cross and they're there to analyse not play ball. The two lads though are very laid back in comparison to Joe, schoolteachers patient men with a sense of humour. Neither of them threw the glantóir at young Joseph, though they were probably tested on occasion. Joe, when not getting his way, would throw out the arm ' hold on a second there', let me speak, I want to be heard. Arrogance. Joe himself has a good sense of humour too, can spin a good yarn too, but maybe like his days in court, is determined to always win the argument always wants to be right. He needs to cop on and sit back and listen and wait his turn, can make his points then while not meandering off topic and throwing in the Brolly wit.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5874 - 25/08/2020 00:51:16    2289022

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "What about Joe's attack on Sean Cavanagh?"
Too far but the black card came from that incident. He was right and proved to be right in calling out that cynical play and since then it's massively reduced. On the day yes he went over the top.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 648 - 25/08/2020 02:20:40    2289024

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