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Can't help but comment on RTE's statement that their finances need's urgent attention and are not in a good place. Key personnel are either retiring or taking the "package" and moving on. Replacements are not of the same caliber as those that leave / left. Presenters are being moved around almost on a daily basis and are not making a positive impact therefore standards are dropping fast. The flagship of RTE sport which is the Sunday game is all but finished.


There is a new midweek sports show being launched soon by sky, the punditry chairs are to be filled, it said, by familiar Irish faces, I'm not sure who the presenter will be. Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band where as sky ticks all the boxes and they already have a foot inside the door since they signed up to the "sky deal"

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2114 - 13/08/2020 22:08:03    2287476

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Replying To supersub15:  "Can't help but comment on RTE's statement that their finances need's urgent attention and are not in a good place. Key personnel are either retiring or taking the "package" and moving on. Replacements are not of the same caliber as those that leave / left. Presenters are being moved around almost on a daily basis and are not making a positive impact therefore standards are dropping fast. The flagship of RTE sport which is the Sunday game is all but finished.


There is a new midweek sports show being launched soon by sky, the punditry chairs are to be filled, it said, by familiar Irish faces, I'm not sure who the presenter will be. Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band where as sky ticks all the boxes and they already have a foot inside the door since they signed up to the "sky deal""
This is why hoganstand shouldn't allow us post after 10p.m,never read so much nonsense.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 510 - 13/08/2020 23:54:04    2287479

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Replying To supersub15:  "Can't help but comment on RTE's statement that their finances need's urgent attention and are not in a good place. Key personnel are either retiring or taking the "package" and moving on. Replacements are not of the same caliber as those that leave / left. Presenters are being moved around almost on a daily basis and are not making a positive impact therefore standards are dropping fast. The flagship of RTE sport which is the Sunday game is all but finished.


There is a new midweek sports show being launched soon by sky, the punditry chairs are to be filled, it said, by familiar Irish faces, I'm not sure who the presenter will be. Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band where as sky ticks all the boxes and they already have a foot inside the door since they signed up to the "sky deal""
BBC supplying broadband????
France tv and radio????
Ard/Zdf in Germán y, RAI in Italy I think not.
Where are these national broadcasters supplying broadband?
Sky is a multinational broadcasting empire whose only mission as it should be is profit. RTE for all its faults is a state owned broadcaster with a public service brief its impossible and undesireable to merge and unless the government agreed imposible

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 811 - 13/08/2020 23:56:47    2287481

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RTE is a national broadcaster with a public service mandate. All it's best content is already delivered by third parties. RTE is virtually worthless and would fold in the morning if the TV Licence subsidy was taken away. SKY would have no interest whatsoever in obtaining it.

SKY's GAA coverage puts RTE to shame but at the same time I would not want to see them get exclusive coverage. While the product would undoubtedly improve dramatically they would be looking for a PPV model the moment their feet were under the table, taking access away from people that can't afford it.

On a wider note RTE's begging to the taxpayers is pathetic, if they cut their costs and developed better content they'd be fine. Their GAA coverage is a microcosm of the issue, it's pretty much the same as it was a decade ago with Spillane, O'Rourke and Brolly (until they ousted him) arguing like auld lads in the pub rather than providing anything by way of analysis. I have no interest in watching that personally. It's a real indictment of their sports department that the coverage had not improved imo, perhaps some people like it but it's not to my taste anyway.

RTE need strong leadership in the coming years but all I have heard from their chief exec since her appointment is whining and looking for even more handouts to keep the show on the road. I have zero faith that there issues will be solved under current management. Their financial issues aren't even that bad, they do however need to develop a strategy to compete in the era of streaming and on demand content. That's a tricky one given their remit to be fair.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1912 - 14/08/2020 01:10:12    2287482

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Replying To supersub15:  "Can't help but comment on RTE's statement that their finances need's urgent attention and are not in a good place. Key personnel are either retiring or taking the "package" and moving on. Replacements are not of the same caliber as those that leave / left. Presenters are being moved around almost on a daily basis and are not making a positive impact therefore standards are dropping fast. The flagship of RTE sport which is the Sunday game is all but finished.


There is a new midweek sports show being launched soon by sky, the punditry chairs are to be filled, it said, by familiar Irish faces, I'm not sure who the presenter will be. Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band where as sky ticks all the boxes and they already have a foot inside the door since they signed up to the "sky deal""
" Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band"

The BBC, a national broadcaster, does not supply broadband; nor does ITV.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1049 - 14/08/2020 07:16:33    2287485

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RTE always seem to be in financial peril, sometimes it's just worse than others.

I'd imagine the taxpayer will have to prop them up but to be honest I wouldn't miss RTE in the least if they were gone, other than the Sunday Game I basically never watch it.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8475 - 14/08/2020 07:54:54    2287487

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Always a safe bet once you put RTE in the header.
Slow time of year and let's get the clicks up. How are the mods all doing anyway.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1530 - 14/08/2020 10:51:35    2287496

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Can't help but comment on RTE's statement that their finances need's urgent attention and are not in a good place. Key personnel are either retiring or taking the "package" and moving on. Replacements are not of the same caliber as those that leave / left. Presenters are being moved around almost on a daily basis and are not making a positive impact therefore standards are dropping fast. The flagship of RTE sport which is the Sunday game is all but finished.


There is a new midweek sports show being launched soon by sky, the punditry chairs are to be filled, it said, by familiar Irish faces, I'm not sure who the presenter will be. Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band where as sky ticks all the boxes and they already have a foot inside the door since they signed up to the "sky deal"
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2026 - 13/08/2020 22:08:03
How and why would Sky merge with RTE?

This is why hoganstand shouldn't allow us post after 10p.m,never read so much nonsense.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 496 - 13/08/2020 23:54:04
Nonsense and nothing to do with this. All forums should be open all the time with no premoderation.

RTE is a national broadcaster with a public service mandate. All it's best content is already delivered by third parties. RTE is virtually worthless and would fold in the morning if the TV Licence subsidy was taken away. SKY would have no interest whatsoever in obtaining it.
SKY's GAA coverage puts RTE to shame but at the same time I would not want to see them get exclusive coverage. While the product would undoubtedly improve dramatically they would be looking for a PPV model the moment their feet were under the table, taking access away from people that can't afford it.
On a wider note RTE's begging to the taxpayers is pathetic, if they cut their costs and developed better content they'd be fine. Their GAA coverage is a microcosm of the issue, it's pretty much the same as it was a decade ago with Spillane, O'Rourke and Brolly (until they ousted him) arguing like auld lads in the pub rather than providing anything by way of analysis. I have no interest in watching that personally. It's a real indictment of their sports department that the coverage had not improved imo, perhaps some people like it but it's not to my taste anyway.
RTE need strong leadership in the coming years but all I have heard from their chief exec since her appointment is whining and looking for even more handouts to keep the show on the road. I have zero faith that there issues will be solved under current management. Their financial issues aren't even that bad, they do however need to develop a strategy to compete in the era of streaming and on demand content. That's a tricky one given their remit to be fair.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1855 - 14/08/2020 01:10:12
All RTEs best content isnt provided by third partes. What exactly would you want from RTE in terms of producing better content?
RTE have had no competition ever to be honest. Why would they need to improve when they didnt need to?

RTE always seem to be in financial peril, sometimes it's just worse than others.
I'd imagine the taxpayer will have to prop them up but to be honest I wouldn't miss RTE in the least if they were gone, other than the Sunday Game I basically never watch it.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8434 - 14/08/2020 07:54:54
Worse than who exactly??

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1371 - 14/08/2020 11:19:28    2287500

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Can't help but comment on RTE's statement that their finances need's urgent attention and are not in a good place. Key personnel are either retiring or taking the "package" and moving on. Replacements are not of the same caliber as those that leave / left. Presenters are being moved around almost on a daily basis and are not making a positive impact therefore standards are dropping fast. The flagship of RTE sport which is the Sunday game is all but finished.


There is a new midweek sports show being launched soon by sky, the punditry chairs are to be filled, it said, by familiar Irish faces, I'm not sure who the presenter will be. Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band where as sky ticks all the boxes and they already have a foot inside the door since they signed up to the "sky deal"
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2026 - 13/08/2020 22:08:03
How and why would Sky merge with RTE?

This is why hoganstand shouldn't allow us post after 10p.m,never read so much nonsense.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 496 - 13/08/2020 23:54:04
Nonsense and nothing to do with this. All forums should be open all the time with no premoderation.

RTE is a national broadcaster with a public service mandate. All it's best content is already delivered by third parties. RTE is virtually worthless and would fold in the morning if the TV Licence subsidy was taken away. SKY would have no interest whatsoever in obtaining it.
SKY's GAA coverage puts RTE to shame but at the same time I would not want to see them get exclusive coverage. While the product would undoubtedly improve dramatically they would be looking for a PPV model the moment their feet were under the table, taking access away from people that can't afford it.
On a wider note RTE's begging to the taxpayers is pathetic, if they cut their costs and developed better content they'd be fine. Their GAA coverage is a microcosm of the issue, it's pretty much the same as it was a decade ago with Spillane, O'Rourke and Brolly (until they ousted him) arguing like auld lads in the pub rather than providing anything by way of analysis. I have no interest in watching that personally. It's a real indictment of their sports department that the coverage had not improved imo, perhaps some people like it but it's not to my taste anyway.
RTE need strong leadership in the coming years but all I have heard from their chief exec since her appointment is whining and looking for even more handouts to keep the show on the road. I have zero faith that there issues will be solved under current management. Their financial issues aren't even that bad, they do however need to develop a strategy to compete in the era of streaming and on demand content. That's a tricky one given their remit to be fair.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1855 - 14/08/2020 01:10:12
All RTEs best content isnt provided by third partes. What exactly would you want from RTE in terms of producing better content?
RTE have had no competition ever to be honest. Why would they need to improve when they didnt need to?

RTE always seem to be in financial peril, sometimes it's just worse than others.
I'd imagine the taxpayer will have to prop them up but to be honest I wouldn't miss RTE in the least if they were gone, other than the Sunday Game I basically never watch it.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8434 - 14/08/2020 07:54:54
Worse than who exactly??"
Ease on there ormo, you misread my post.

I meant sometimes worse than other times, not worse than other organisations.

Any other questions there chief??

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8475 - 14/08/2020 11:36:04    2287505

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Replying To Htaem:  "RTE always seem to be in financial peril, sometimes it's just worse than others.

I'd imagine the taxpayer will have to prop them up but to be honest I wouldn't miss RTE in the least if they were gone, other than the Sunday Game I basically never watch it."
100% Htaem, there is nothing that I watch on it anymore bar gaa and in fairness we can get that on out computers these day.

Time to pack up the late late show and the Brigín and Éamon and shut it down.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11452 - 14/08/2020 11:54:21    2287507

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Ease on there ormo, you misread my post.

I meant sometimes worse than other times, not worse than other organisations.

Any other questions there chief??
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8435 - 14/08/2020 11:36:04
How condescending of you!
Worse than when then chief?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1371 - 14/08/2020 12:03:12    2287510

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Replying To supersub15:  "Can't help but comment on RTE's statement that their finances need's urgent attention and are not in a good place. Key personnel are either retiring or taking the "package" and moving on. Replacements are not of the same caliber as those that leave / left. Presenters are being moved around almost on a daily basis and are not making a positive impact therefore standards are dropping fast. The flagship of RTE sport which is the Sunday game is all but finished.


There is a new midweek sports show being launched soon by sky, the punditry chairs are to be filled, it said, by familiar Irish faces, I'm not sure who the presenter will be. Would now not be an ideal time to merge part or all of RTE with sky. I've said it before RTE is the only known standalone national broadcaster that does not supply broad band where as sky ticks all the boxes and they already have a foot inside the door since they signed up to the "sky deal""
Do you work for RTE or something? Two threads in the same week about the same issue.....

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1966 - 14/08/2020 12:03:32    2287511

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "RTE is a national broadcaster with a public service mandate. All it's best content is already delivered by third parties. RTE is virtually worthless and would fold in the morning if the TV Licence subsidy was taken away. SKY would have no interest whatsoever in obtaining it.

SKY's GAA coverage puts RTE to shame but at the same time I would not want to see them get exclusive coverage. While the product would undoubtedly improve dramatically they would be looking for a PPV model the moment their feet were under the table, taking access away from people that can't afford it.

On a wider note RTE's begging to the taxpayers is pathetic, if they cut their costs and developed better content they'd be fine. Their GAA coverage is a microcosm of the issue, it's pretty much the same as it was a decade ago with Spillane, O'Rourke and Brolly (until they ousted him) arguing like auld lads in the pub rather than providing anything by way of analysis. I have no interest in watching that personally. It's a real indictment of their sports department that the coverage had not improved imo, perhaps some people like it but it's not to my taste anyway.

RTE need strong leadership in the coming years but all I have heard from their chief exec since her appointment is whining and looking for even more handouts to keep the show on the road. I have zero faith that there issues will be solved under current management. Their financial issues aren't even that bad, they do however need to develop a strategy to compete in the era of streaming and on demand content. That's a tricky one given their remit to be fair."
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - That is a serious post and leaves me with little if anything to add. I put the post out there just to get it off my chest, I have a couple of reasons for that.

I was never in favour of the sky deal as we call it, in particular the way it was signed off which included the PPV. Because RTE is a national broadcaster with a public service mandate for those reasons alone it should not be kept afloat at the tax payers expense dying a slow death. You are correct when you say RTE is virtually worthless, but it does have serious potential. It appears inside as if the tail wags the dog, albeit with the CEO's permission.

I remember not too long ago when talks started with IAG and Aer Lingus, the talks started about a possible buy into the airline, and no one could see it ever happening, our very own Prided Aer Line being sold off, but it did happen with a heavy heart may be, by some, certain conditions had to be met, and the were, we kept our "Visual" brand / logo. Pilots, and cabin crew kept their traditional image.

Personally I would never say never that Sky would have no interest whatsoever in obtaining RTE in some shape or form, a deal could be hammered out that would include things like "exclusive coverage" and "PPV" The availability of broadband through our national broadcaster is paramount, as is selecting key people for key positions.

RTE's begging to the taxpayers is pathetic, no doubt about that, from what I gather they are attempting to cut their cost, but unfortunately not where it matters most. Spillane, O'Rourke and Brolly are not the reason I don't watch the Sunday game as much as I would like to. Imo, the Sunday game is put together, presented, produced, directed and beamed out to us audience by professionally people who are alledgley paid serious saleries, Spillan, O'Rourke and Brolly are amateurs on the set being paid buttons in comparison.

RTE's ceo is abiding time me thinks, she won't be there to bolt the stable door when the horse has gone out of sight.

Your final paragraph is inch perfect.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2114 - 14/08/2020 12:35:20    2287518

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@Killingfields some of RTE's best stuff over the years like Love / Hate is not produced by RTE. That's what I mean by third parties. RTE's homemade content is not particularly valuable in a commercial sense and will always need to be subsidised.

Because they have no competition they have no reason to improve? Are you serious? How about improving to increase viewership and revenue rather than come with the begging bowl each and every year? If they had better management that would be the goal.

What do I want in terms of better content? I gave a perfect example with their GAA coverage. It's amateur when compared to other sports broadcasters, and could be easily improved with probably negligible investment. When this issue is mirrored across the organisation it's not hard to see why they are continually in trouble.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1912 - 14/08/2020 12:42:42    2287521

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "100% Htaem, there is nothing that I watch on it anymore bar gaa and in fairness we can get that on out computers these day.

Time to pack up the late late show and the Brigín and Éamon and shut it down."
Haha now I might miss Ear to the Ground a small bit but yes the Late Late and Brigid & Eamon can take a run and jump!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8475 - 14/08/2020 12:43:56    2287523

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "RTE is a national broadcaster with a public service mandate. All it's best content is already delivered by third parties. RTE is virtually worthless and would fold in the morning if the TV Licence subsidy was taken away. SKY would have no interest whatsoever in obtaining it.

SKY's GAA coverage puts RTE to shame but at the same time I would not want to see them get exclusive coverage. While the product would undoubtedly improve dramatically they would be looking for a PPV model the moment their feet were under the table, taking access away from people that can't afford it.

On a wider note RTE's begging to the taxpayers is pathetic, if they cut their costs and developed better content they'd be fine. Their GAA coverage is a microcosm of the issue, it's pretty much the same as it was a decade ago with Spillane, O'Rourke and Brolly (until they ousted him) arguing like auld lads in the pub rather than providing anything by way of analysis. I have no interest in watching that personally. It's a real indictment of their sports department that the coverage had not improved imo, perhaps some people like it but it's not to my taste anyway.

RTE need strong leadership in the coming years but all I have heard from their chief exec since her appointment is whining and looking for even more handouts to keep the show on the road. I have zero faith that there issues will be solved under current management. Their financial issues aren't even that bad, they do however need to develop a strategy to compete in the era of streaming and on demand content. That's a tricky one given their remit to be fair."
Good post.

To compete in the new era of streaming services it really is unacceptable how bad the RTÉ player is. The way we all watch TV has changed, most TV we watch now is streamed or catch up etc.

It's often completely unusable. They relaunched it awhile ago with promises of how user friendly it is but still the same problems of constantly looping ads and crashing half way through a programme. And don't you even dare to try and rewind or fast forward! Guaranteed to crash!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13086 - 14/08/2020 12:48:35    2287525

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Ease on there ormo, you misread my post.

I meant sometimes worse than other times, not worse than other organisations.

Any other questions there chief??
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8435 - 14/08/2020 11:36:04
How condescending of you!
Worse than when then chief?"
Ha no more so than yourself ormo! You could have at least acknowledged your mistake :-)

Anyway listen if you have any actual questions or points to make I'll happily respond, otherwise we'll leave her there.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8475 - 14/08/2020 12:48:42    2287526

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Good post.

To compete in the new era of streaming services it really is unacceptable how bad the RTÉ player is. The way we all watch TV has changed, most TV we watch now is streamed or catch up etc.

It's often completely unusable. They relaunched it awhile ago with promises of how user friendly it is but still the same problems of constantly looping ads and crashing half way through a programme. And don't you even dare to try and rewind or fast forward! Guaranteed to crash!"
Ha ha. I don't use it often MesAmis but any time I have it's a buffering, frustrating mess. To be fair they cannot be expected to compete with global giants like Netflix and Amazon, or even the BBC with their gigantic budget but at the very least give us something that works. They'll never be able to charge for that service so resources get directed elsewhere.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1912 - 14/08/2020 13:28:54    2287535

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "@Killingfields some of RTE's best stuff over the years like Love / Hate is not produced by RTE. That's what I mean by third parties. RTE's homemade content is not particularly valuable in a commercial sense and will always need to be subsidised.

Because they have no competition they have no reason to improve? Are you serious? How about improving to increase viewership and revenue rather than come with the begging bowl each and every year? If they had better management that would be the goal.

What do I want in terms of better content? I gave a perfect example with their GAA coverage. It's amateur when compared to other sports broadcasters, and could be easily improved with probably negligible investment. When this issue is mirrored across the organisation it's not hard to see why they are continually in trouble."
We love the GAA and it's the most Irish of Irish organisations. However it has never really been exported outside Ireland bar a few ex pat communities.

We like the fact it's an amateur organisation and that is it's biggest strength. The GAA is different, it's media coverage is geared towards an Irish community and as an amateur organisation should not be geared towards a worldwide commercial market because that market simply isn't there. That is the reason other sporting broadcasters will appear to have better sound effects, grapics, technology and a more clinical approach in terms of stats, statistics etc. To be honest that approach bores me to death and is very professional sport in nature - it has money behind it.

The other broadcasters have a different agenda, they have a media model used across all their sports and it's easy for them to export into GAA coverage but to me it doesn't work.

I do believe RTE's model of allowing it's guests to shoot of the hip if you like, instigating debate, showing passion and love for the games along with knowledge is the right way for the GAA market. Sadly over the last 2 years RTE have moved away from that, don't have an alternative and are left with a soul less show where guests are talked over at any hint they're moving off the pre planned script. This is making people believe the Sky coverage is world class but I don't think it is. RTE need to get back to what made the Sunday game so successful as soon as 2 years ago and they'll be fine.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 648 - 14/08/2020 13:34:41    2287536

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Replying To Htaem:  "Haha now I might miss Ear to the Ground a small bit but yes the Late Late and Brigid & Eamon can take a run and jump!"
Lol and ecoeye.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11452 - 14/08/2020 13:43:49    2287538

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