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Gaa income is online 2008 ,48 million . 11 years later it 73million . Croke park cost around 200 million . 20 million repaid a year . Google Croke park naming right , 5 million a year seems conservative . 600 player on 30 k is 18 million ! A profesional league and championship with a target of 100million seem miserable . I read a lot of articles that say pay it not possible , look like lazy journalism to me ! if finance stayed at 48 million the gaa would not implode ! a huge chunk of the extra 24 million could be diverted to pay . In you opinion how much money could go to player wages.
jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 30/05/2020 20:08:00 2279549 Link 1 |
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I will get lot of red down thumbs for this but could you not put spaces before the full stops, apostrophe etc Better commercialisation needed for pro rugby. Gaa doesnt have a clue about marketing most of its games especially county boards. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 30/05/2020 20:24:52 2279550 Link 1 |
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Would it not be possible for the 600 or so paid player , to replace in full or in part a section of the 300 paid Gda officers . This would decrese you wages further , say 15 hrs Gda work ? I would like to know your thoughts on what you think you could pay 600 players full time , or 1200 part time .
jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 30/05/2020 20:44:02 2279551 Link 1 |
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Some possibly could replace development officers or better be added to do work alongside the development officers to assist them part time along with then training for county team. But many county players just will not be suited to being development officers KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 30/05/2020 21:24:19 2279552 Link 1 |
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I was only suggesting these amalgamated teams as improving weaker counties - like Clare-Kerry supported by Clare people but boosted by a few (say, up to six) Kerry B players. How about Derry, and separately, Tyrone like now - but then a combined Derry/Tyrone team as well (B players from both) - or Ulster B competing in the Ulster Championship - could this be a way to boost the Prov Championships, especially Lein and Muns ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 31/05/2020 02:06:03 2279566 Link 1 |
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Cavan ,Fermanagh and Monaghan combined in hurling is a great idea , take hurling away from the county boards and run the team from centeral council. ! A combined 10 clubs championship would be a big improvement. ! The tiny championships don't work very well do they ! What the cost of fielding 3 county teams ? Maybe the money from the 2 disbanded county team could be ring fenced to form new clubs . You can still allow a team from each county to play all ireland hurling( 33% chance of playing all ireland club hurling championship ), a better compition and more co)mpetitive that county hurling.
jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 31/05/2020 10:54:29 2279574 Link 1 |
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Well, now we're back to one of the original questions which has never been answered. What's the object of professionalism ? If they're just going to have a day job doing GDA work and train the rest of the time, is that going to raise standards on the field? Probably not. In fact, it might depress standards because you'd exclude good players who, for whatever reasons, didn't want to play full time professional. It's not everyone's aspiration. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 31/05/2020 11:22:46 2279575 Link 2 |
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Fair question. The object of professionalism is CHOICE. You choose to work hard and get paid for it. You choose to make a career of a sport. You choose to be part of an alternative rather than a rigid status quo. You choose to make a sport you love bigger and better and shared by more. Etc.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2113 - 31/05/2020 12:16:25 2279577 Link 0 |
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I don't see professionalism happening anytime soon . As its all hypothetical my gda suggestion was one of many to reduce the overall wage bill by part double jobbing, name right for croke park was another with a few more ideas . I'm against professionalism as I think near everyone is on here is . I'm only answering a question is it possible ! 600 players could be give an x millions payment . Does anybody want to give their figures wheter its 1m or whatever. My last post anyway.
jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 31/05/2020 13:37:18 2279582 Link 1 |
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Amalgamated teams in Ulster for football is a non-starter.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 31/05/2020 13:45:02 2279583 Link 1 |
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Hurling is different. An Ulster team in hurling would be a good idea because of the small number of clubs in each county (bar Antrim). Antrim wouldn't take part. The Down manager called for a combined team a few days ago. The current club championship structure should be left alone. Castleblayney reached the Junior final last year and lost by 4 points to Dunnamaggin from Kilkenny. Taking hurling from the county boards makes no sense at all. Each county enters teams at different levels. Monaghan go into Junior but Fermanagh's only hurling club compete in Intermediate.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 31/05/2020 13:58:54 2279584 Link 1 |
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All you need to do is make someone CHOOSE to pay you. And the body that you seek to replace to CHOOSE to hire their ground to you. How do you achieve that ? Choose to make the sport bigger and better ? I'm not convinced that you'll achieve that. Why will adding zillions to your costs make it bigger and better ? lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 31/05/2020 14:13:36 2279587 Link 1 |
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Even at €25000 a man, that's €15m a year. Below €25000, I doubt if there'd be any takers at all. And that's before you consider all the other costs that go with employment, pensions and the like. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 31/05/2020 14:28:51 2279588 Link 1 |
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I agree with you on a combined ulster team . The hurling clubs are so sparse , I was think of ulster as as single county championship and single county team (excluding Antrim) . A team from each county can still enters the club all Ireland . Castleblaney Ballahaunis and Nass have done well the last few years . At a minimum could you not let Fermanagh only team enter the Donegal hurling championship .
jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 31/05/2020 15:23:41 2279592 Link 1 |
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Good points. Does having Darts in every pub hurt Professional Darts? Does having bowling alleys in cities and large towns hurt Professional Bowling? Same can be asked for Snooker, Billiards, College Football vs NFL, etc. Why does any employer CHOOSE to pay you? To do a service for them or to make money for them, etc. I never once said REPLACE the GAA. Not once. I said if done right they can both flourish. The GAA can actually MAKE MONEY if all this was done right. Empty pitches and stadiums being rented is a win/win. Bigger and better is really simple and I'll answer your question with a question: are you telling me that Hurling for example is as big as it can get? No room for growth?
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2113 - 31/05/2020 20:35:17 2279612 Link 0 |
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Hoe many hours a week would development officer work entail? 20-25 max? It would be hugely promotional work and be in the sport that the player is otherwise training and playing full time. All Players wouldnt have to work as development officers but it would allow many be pros who otherwise wouldnt. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 31/05/2020 23:03:01 2279620 Link 1 |
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The question I guess hinges on would the advent of a professional league do more damage to the parts below or would they both flourish as a result. It could take months of work to come up with an analysis of that and even then I am not sure there would be a result. The one thing I would say about your idea is that I don't believe that the overseas money thing works, I believe that if the money is coming from overseas to fund a professional game in Ireland then they will use it to take it professional outside of Ireland where there is a far greater return. If you could commercialize the game then Ireland is not going to be the place to get the best payback. US/UK/Europe - if you have the product that where it will be. Speaking of the product and I know its not part of the discussion but all professional field sports have shown that to be successful they have to adapt the playing rules. I would see the GAA as no different and the biggest change would be I think dropping the numbers on a pitch to either 13 or 11. To make it successful it will have to be attractive and as much as we all love the game now it has to appeal to a much broader audience. I don't see that as a problem either as players are professional. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 01/06/2020 01:25:16 2279628 Link 2 |
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Professional Rugby works in Ireland became its just the 4 Provinces and the National team. The Airtricity League every year has a few clubs with money problems. Ireland isn't big enough to sustain a professional environment. Lok at SkySports GAA coverage, the viewership last year was very low. If you were relying on that as revenue it wouldn't be a good sign FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 01/06/2020 09:27:47 2279630 Link 2 |
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I think most investors and stockholders would see it as a long term investment with no profits for 5-10 years. The marketing and promotions would have to be fierce. ESPN and Foxsports among others would have to be involved to get it rolling. It wouldn't be easy.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2113 - 01/06/2020 10:14:58 2279632 Link 0 |
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The professional league could help the GAA in more ways than one. Firstly renting GAA pitches and stadiums brings in money from places that might have been empty, if the game sold overseas it would generate tourism for the matches and many would go to GAA matches too. With the increased tourism maybe Aer Lingus could sponsor and name a team. If you have to modify the rules a little so be it but be careful of butchering it too much. At first the League could be centered in Ireland but maybe by time it would move to somewhere bigger if it took off. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2113 - 01/06/2020 10:25:06 2279633 Link 0 |