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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To Crinigan:  "600 millionaires live in Gaza city. 5 star hotels, shopping centres, water parks.... billions pumped in by useful idiots like Trocaire each year. Martyring a few brainwashed children is great business for Hamas, the leaders of which live in palaces in Qatar and couldn't give a flying fiddlers about Gazans nor does the Arab world itself. Only people keeping the lights on, the water clean and hospitals going are the Israelis."
Just like just over a hundred years ago in Ireland. The "only people keeping the lights on, the water clean and hospitals going" were the British. How ungrateful were the Irish to rebel against the occupiers of their country and claim self-determination.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1045 - 14/10/2020 21:42:41    2297656

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This thread seems to be open season for anything political. We've gone from Sinn Fein and 'bandit country' a few pages ago to Israel and Palestine.
I never thought I'd say it, but any chance of some Covid talk?

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 813 - 14/10/2020 22:12:47    2297662

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Just like just over a hundred years ago in Ireland. The "only people keeping the lights on, the water clean and hospitals going" were the British. How ungrateful were the Irish to rebel against the occupiers of their country and claim self-determination."
Their country? What country are you talking about Jordan? There was never a country called Palestine. You should read your history.

Palestine was originally Israel until the Romans renamed it Philistina in 70AD…. The name evolved into Palestine … later it was a territory administered by the Mamalukes , the Ottomans ( until the end of WW1) and then the British.

The British gave 75% of the Territory called Palestine to create Jordan….the remaining 25% was divided under the Partition Plan to create Palestine - THE NATION , and Israel.

Israel accepted the Partition Plan , but the people in this 25% of the land not handed over to Jordan who called themselves Palestinian did not.

They did not have a constitution , elected leader , Capital or currency…. They were not recognized by any world bodies as a state. It never actually existed as a country, just a region of much larger empires (Brits and Ottomons). Saying Free Palestine is like saying Free Leitrim! It's laughable.

6 million jews perished in WW2. They got themselves a tiny strip of land that was originally there's many centuries ago until the Arabs ran them out of it. They turned the desert into farmland and made a decent country out of it, democracy etc and swore they'd never be massacred in their millions like that again. They even awoke an ancient extinct language, Hebrew. They are surrounded by countries who've sworn to destroy them, More out of sheer jealousy of what their hard work has achieved with the Palestinian issue used as a red herring. Their foreign policy is obviously very heavey handed and but since the Holocaust I can sympathise that they aren't exactly taking prisoners when their safety or actual existence is threatened.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 14/10/2020 22:16:33    2297664

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Just call the whole thing off. Utter madness. Amateur teams are suddenly elite sportsmen and that allows the likes of Kerry to travel and stay overnight in Monaghan and that's just one example. All football/hurling teams are in action traveling all over the country and meanwhile everyone else is almost under house arrest.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 764 - 14/10/2020 22:50:51    2297671

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Yeh people should wind their necks in regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict, they really have no idea what they're talking about.
Live their for 20 years then voice an opinion.
We know as much about that as they did about the 'troubles'.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1332 - 14/10/2020 22:55:13    2297672

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "This thread seems to be open season for anything political. We've gone from Sinn Fein and 'bandit country' a few pages ago to Israel and Palestine.
I never thought I'd say it, but any chance of some Covid talk?"
Getting back to Covid, there's a large presenter on the BBC going on everyday about masks. This same man took advantage of the stupid ,eat out to help out, scheme everyday it was on. Then on his radio show going on about how packed the places were .Now he's trying to tell people what to do.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 126 - 14/10/2020 23:12:50    2297679

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "This thread seems to be open season for anything political. We've gone from Sinn Fein and 'bandit country' a few pages ago to Israel and Palestine.
I never thought I'd say it, but any chance of some Covid talk?"
I'd settle for some Dublin vs Kerry banter to tell you the truth....

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1019 - 15/10/2020 02:48:14    2297689

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This thread is an absolute hands down disgrace..... It goes from posters talking about Palestine to where Shelbourne FC will play their home games, to saying amateur GAA players should just 'plough on and play'. From the troubles in the north to LGBTQ matters.... Jesus wept, you'd worry about a lot of people on here.

Said it from the very beginning, although would have loved nothing more to see games again and it was entertaining, the GAA should have stood tall among other organisations and scrapped all competitions from Day 1. Scrapping the end of the club chapionships so quickly might have won them some favour but it only covered up the cracks caused by mass breaches in guidelines at each match, celebrations etc and made the organisation look every bit of what it is, amateur.

What is to be gained by running a full intercounty championship season along with the culmination of the leagues? a few euro from Sky? fear of catching a virus from an asymptomatic individual and passing it on to a friend or loved one? Its aright for Premier league and Pro 14 as they are professional organisations and continually test and implement isolations to allow matches to go ahead however the recent international window now casts major shadow on such events spreading internationally.

John Heslin was right in his tweet and the sooner the powers that be realise that the better.

'Are you not entertained?'

LongfordSham (Longford) - Posts: 97 - 15/10/2020 09:13:04    2297695

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I'm not gonna bother responding to most of the nonsense in this thread but to be honest I am baffled as to how the championship is slated to go ahead. With the surge in cases across the island and for an amateur organisation, with so many teachers in particular amongst the players, it is madness to me that they think they can run off a championship safely.

I want a championship this year, I am very optimistic about the Donegal panel and from a selfish POV I don't want Michael Murphy to lose a season in his prime - but we have to be realistic and look at public health. I just don't see how a championship can be run safely unless you get the panels into a bubble ala the NBA. And these people are amateurs, that's just a non-starter. Call it off and hopefully in the spring we will have a handle on things and be able to run league and championship 2021.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 997 - 15/10/2020 09:39:09    2297700

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Replying To LongfordSham:  "This thread is an absolute hands down disgrace..... It goes from posters talking about Palestine to where Shelbourne FC will play their home games, to saying amateur GAA players should just 'plough on and play'. From the troubles in the north to LGBTQ matters.... Jesus wept, you'd worry about a lot of people on here.

Said it from the very beginning, although would have loved nothing more to see games again and it was entertaining, the GAA should have stood tall among other organisations and scrapped all competitions from Day 1. Scrapping the end of the club chapionships so quickly might have won them some favour but it only covered up the cracks caused by mass breaches in guidelines at each match, celebrations etc and made the organisation look every bit of what it is, amateur.

What is to be gained by running a full intercounty championship season along with the culmination of the leagues? a few euro from Sky? fear of catching a virus from an asymptomatic individual and passing it on to a friend or loved one? Its aright for Premier league and Pro 14 as they are professional organisations and continually test and implement isolations to allow matches to go ahead however the recent international window now casts major shadow on such events spreading internationally.

John Heslin was right in his tweet and the sooner the powers that be realise that the better.

'Are you not entertained?'"
Nobody is forcing John Heslin to play with a gun to his head. if he doesn't want to drop off the panel. If he didnt have to face into the Dubs in a few weeks he might be a bit more optimistic. Another fella that loves his own voice and playing up to the media

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 504 - 15/10/2020 09:47:35    2297706

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "I'm not gonna bother responding to most of the nonsense in this thread but to be honest I am baffled as to how the championship is slated to go ahead. With the surge in cases across the island and for an amateur organisation, with so many teachers in particular amongst the players, it is madness to me that they think they can run off a championship safely.

I want a championship this year, I am very optimistic about the Donegal panel and from a selfish POV I don't want Michael Murphy to lose a season in his prime - but we have to be realistic and look at public health. I just don't see how a championship can be run safely unless you get the panels into a bubble ala the NBA. And these people are amateurs, that's just a non-starter. Call it off and hopefully in the spring we will have a handle on things and be able to run league and championship 2021."
I think that is exactly what is going to need to happen - squads of players going in to bubbles for a period of time.
Issue will be work and how that is affected.
This is all a huge ask for amateur players and their families.

The whole of the country will be at Level 4 by the time the Championship starts....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3000 - 15/10/2020 09:59:54    2297709

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Their country? What country are you talking about Jordan? There was never a country called Palestine. You should read your history.

Palestine was originally Israel until the Romans renamed it Philistina in 70AD…. The name evolved into Palestine … later it was a territory administered by the Mamalukes , the Ottomans ( until the end of WW1) and then the British.

The British gave 75% of the Territory called Palestine to create Jordan….the remaining 25% was divided under the Partition Plan to create Palestine - THE NATION , and Israel.

Israel accepted the Partition Plan , but the people in this 25% of the land not handed over to Jordan who called themselves Palestinian did not.

They did not have a constitution , elected leader , Capital or currency…. They were not recognized by any world bodies as a state. It never actually existed as a country, just a region of much larger empires (Brits and Ottomons). Saying Free Palestine is like saying Free Leitrim! It's laughable.

6 million jews perished in WW2. They got themselves a tiny strip of land that was originally there's many centuries ago until the Arabs ran them out of it. They turned the desert into farmland and made a decent country out of it, democracy etc and swore they'd never be massacred in their millions like that again. They even awoke an ancient extinct language, Hebrew. They are surrounded by countries who've sworn to destroy them, More out of sheer jealousy of what their hard work has achieved with the Palestinian issue used as a red herring. Their foreign policy is obviously very heavey handed and but since the Holocaust I can sympathise that they aren't exactly taking prisoners when their safety or actual existence is threatened."
Check out The Spy on Netflix with Sacha Baron Cohen. Fairly slow but worth a look.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5868 - 15/10/2020 10:00:12    2297710

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Nobody is forcing John Heslin to play with a gun to his head. if he doesn't want to drop off the panel. If he didnt have to face into the Dubs in a few weeks he might be a bit more optimistic. Another fella that loves his own voice and playing up to the media"
So you want to give him a platform to play intercounty football for your enjoyment, albeit at the risk of contracting or passing on infection, but hes not allowed a platform to speak out at potential health risks associated with playing an amateur sport? He never mentioned anything about dropping off the panel merely highlighting the narrative needs to stop of how somehow its more important that intercounty players participate to lift the mood of the watching public rather than be concerned about the well being of playing members.

LongfordSham (Longford) - Posts: 97 - 15/10/2020 10:31:59    2297717

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Saw a video this morning of Meath team training and doing tackle drills with masks on. These are amateur players with jobs etc Ludicrous that intercounty football going ahead. It's fine for rugby and soccer etc as they are professional sports. Who wants to train in winter with a mask on to play championship in winter with nobody in the stadium?! There are no commercial interests at play here for the players, only sponsors and other actors exploring amateur players for financial gain during a pandemic.

You can you say oh nobody is making the players play, but we know the GAA is cult like at times, very hard on a player to walk away and keep his reputation in the macho "loves me county" gaa world.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 15/10/2020 10:38:49    2297719

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Replying To LongfordSham:  "This thread is an absolute hands down disgrace..... It goes from posters talking about Palestine to where Shelbourne FC will play their home games, to saying amateur GAA players should just 'plough on and play'. From the troubles in the north to LGBTQ matters.... Jesus wept, you'd worry about a lot of people on here.

Said it from the very beginning, although would have loved nothing more to see games again and it was entertaining, the GAA should have stood tall among other organisations and scrapped all competitions from Day 1. Scrapping the end of the club chapionships so quickly might have won them some favour but it only covered up the cracks caused by mass breaches in guidelines at each match, celebrations etc and made the organisation look every bit of what it is, amateur.

What is to be gained by running a full intercounty championship season along with the culmination of the leagues? a few euro from Sky? fear of catching a virus from an asymptomatic individual and passing it on to a friend or loved one? Its aright for Premier league and Pro 14 as they are professional organisations and continually test and implement isolations to allow matches to go ahead however the recent international window now casts major shadow on such events spreading internationally.

John Heslin was right in his tweet and the sooner the powers that be realise that the better.

'Are you not entertained?'"
I disagree. Other sports are finishing their competitions so why can't the GAA. Let them finish the league and review the situation. I personally would prefer the Championship in the warm summer evenings and afternoons. A cold day in December is not ideal.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1893 - 15/10/2020 10:45:43    2297721

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Replying To eoinog:  "Just call the whole thing off. Utter madness. Amateur teams are suddenly elite sportsmen and that allows the likes of Kerry to travel and stay overnight in Monaghan and that's just one example. All football/hurling teams are in action traveling all over the country and meanwhile everyone else is almost under house arrest."
Look there are only 2 rounds of games left in the Allianz league. Not a big deal to finish it. Other sports are doing the same. Regarding the Championship, well I have my doubts. It is a big ask.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1893 - 15/10/2020 10:47:31    2297722

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Cover ups of cases at all ages of Inter County set up in certain counties needs immediate investigation, criminal what's going on, certain people should be ashamed of themselves.
Opposition players have a right to know as they are returning to families & putting elderly loved ones at serious risk.
Irresponsible behaviour on pitches, in stands & post games now directly linked to massive spikes all over the country, makes the summoning of the Deputy CMO smack of hypocrisy of the highest standard."
Have you any proof of all of this. Or is it just your opinion. Provide some links, data and statistics and I might believe you. It seems to me, and I know you from the Galway forum, that you just don't like Gaelic games.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1893 - 15/10/2020 10:49:40    2297724

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The GAA need to clarify how players and, officials, management and their families will be protected with the surge in numbers that is happening nationwide. Testing with a quick turnaround on results is needed before every match. If we are serious about playing these games safely that is what is required.

I expect that is the type of message that will come from the GPA survey of the players. The only problem is there is no time to take any action as the games are upon us.

I really hope it goes ahead without issue but all the GAA seem to have is hope, we don't have a strategy. We have had months to prepare for this too

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1189 - 15/10/2020 10:56:47    2297727

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Replying To galwayford:  "I disagree. Other sports are finishing their competitions so why can't the GAA. Let them finish the league and review the situation. I personally would prefer the Championship in the warm summer evenings and afternoons. A cold day in December is not ideal."
Not picking apart your argument but what other sports? if its soccer and Rugby its not really comparable where the players involved are paid to play, regular testing facilities are in place and the option to isolate without loss of earnings to play is aided. I'm not aware of any amateur or non professional sports still going ahead with competitions, but could be wrong.

LongfordSham (Longford) - Posts: 97 - 15/10/2020 11:03:19    2297733

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Replying To galwayford:  "Look there are only 2 rounds of games left in the Allianz league. Not a big deal to finish it. Other sports are doing the same. Regarding the Championship, well I have my doubts. It is a big ask."
Exactly - I honest think the league will get completed, but then there will be another surge in Covid cases, and this years Championship will need to be scrapped, unfortunately.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3000 - 15/10/2020 11:07:48    2297735

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