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Replying To BliainanÁir: "Horgan will destroy a lot of full backs. Tipp have their worries too. James Barry looks a little overweight, or maybe just sluggish. Granted Limerick's full back line is stronger. It's all on the day." Yep I agree. Hence the reason Tipp won't win anything either. Barry Heffernan wll rightly or wrongly start their in two weeks tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/07/2019 23:25:23 2212136 Link
Replying To Bon: "Meanwhile your crowd persist with Barry at full back, the mind boggles." You have a strange mind! Firstly I don't pick the Tipp team, secondly the thread is about KK and Limerick and thirdly I have always said we arent good enough to win this year. My mind "boggles" how people always jump back to Tipp every time I comment on certain counties tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/07/2019 23:28:02 2212138 Link
Replying To Breezy: "They do have the best shot stopper in the game behind them to bail them out though. He was crucial against Cork and if KK had beaten Limk last year he would have been man of the match had a great shot at an all star last year" 100% agree. For me he's already the greatest keeper of all time. a complete all rounder. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/07/2019 23:30:13 2212140 Link
People don't seem to get Kilkenny, Limerick last yr should have bagged 3 or 4 goals cork the other day butchered at least 2 or 3 more than what they scored but this is what kk do they're so hard to beat everytime they'll just go and go till the end I have nothing but admiration for them. I expect nothing different the next day if we're lucky we'll get a win but our form is up and down hopefully our power can see us through someday (Limerick) - Posts: 1104 - 16/07/2019 23:58:30 2212151 Link
Kilkenny while disjointed have a kick in them still. Cork were dreadful but look I think cats eased up the game was won with 20 mins to go only problem this KK team didn't kick on and nail Cork like in the past. If they get a run on Limerick I think they will win.Limerick have turned the screw a bit but how will the 4 week gap affect them if it's tight KK for me but I just think Limerick are a different animal this year and if on form they cud bury KK and probably Cody's reign too. WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 17/07/2019 00:00:17 2212152 Link
Replying To BliainanÁir: "On paper, and nothing is won on paper, Limerick are the better side. However they have had a few downs aswell as ups in the championship. Any day you beat Kilkenny you've earned your victory. A hesitant Limerick by 2 points. But almost 50/50 in my opinion. What KK lack in individual players they'll make up for in the collective and spirit. They'll keep going." It's interesting that people keep pointing to kk heart, determination, intensity, aggression, will to win etc. as reasons why they could beat Limerick, as if Limerick lack those qualities... blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 17/07/2019 03:15:57 2212170 Link
Replying To munsterchamps: "i agree john kiely is certain to use that as motivation......little did jackie tyrell think when he was saying limerick won't retain the all ireland that it would be limk and the cats going toe to toe in the semi final." It wasn't exactly beyond the realms of possibility that we'd meet in knockout game this year.. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 17/07/2019 03:50:29 2212173 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "You have a strange mind! Firstly I don't pick the Tipp team, secondly the thread is about KK and Limerick and thirdly I have always said we arent good enough to win this year. My mind "boggles" how people always jump back to Tipp every time I comment on certain counties" A classic 'ad hominem' logical fallacy often used here. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 17/07/2019 03:52:16 2212174 Link
You could nearly write the script now, Limerick open up large lead, KK plug them back, Limerick pull away again to win by 3+. I think KK will over haul their defense to curtail the Limerick forwards. P. Walsh corner back on Gillane, Fogarty on Hegarty for the physical battle. He might even put TJ back in midfield to give Cian Lynch something to think about and stop him running forward. It could be the most tactical game of hurling we've seen since 2006 final when KK swamped the Cork running game. Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 17/07/2019 09:30:28 2212209 Link
Replying To blackspot91: "It's interesting that people keep pointing to kk heart, determination, intensity, aggression, will to win etc. as reasons why they could beat Limerick, as if Limerick lack those qualities..." Not one person has stated here that Limerick dont have those qualities. Since this is a discussion on the match itself, surely posters are allowed discuss how one team can defeat the other. What other ways can Kilkenny beat limerick then if they dont use said qualities? Personally I think Limerick will win as i thought Cork would but like the previous match i wont be one bit surprised if Kilkenny turn em over. Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 124 - 17/07/2019 10:00:34 2212223 Link
Replying To blackspot91: "It's interesting that people keep pointing to kk heart, determination, intensity, aggression, will to win etc. as reasons why they could beat Limerick, as if Limerick lack those qualities..." It's not that Limerick don't have (always have had in my book) those qualities. Just of all counties KK seem to bring them to the table 9 out of 10 games, others like Limerick 3 out of 4 games. They bring them with an unrivalled consitency. How many really flat performances have KK had in championship hurling under Cody. 2013 they had a few, but were going for 3 All-Irelands in a row and had injuries. Leinster final 2012 is another, 2001 Galway. I wouldn't classify 2010 v Tipp or 2005 v Galway etc as flat performances, just brilliant opposition on the day. But most of the time they get the best out of themselves. Even in the 30s Limerick never did a back to back. It's a hard thing to do. If they're a bit off the pace KK can take them. I don't think they will however. I really rate John Kiely and Limerick. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 17/07/2019 10:19:39 2212237 Link
Replying To Buachaillbui: "Not one person has stated here that Limerick dont have those qualities. Since this is a discussion on the match itself, surely posters are allowed discuss how one team can defeat the other. What other ways can Kilkenny beat limerick then if they dont use said qualities? Personally I think Limerick will win as i thought Cork would but like the previous match i wont be one bit surprised if Kilkenny turn em over." I never claimed anyone said that. I've just seen here and across the media etc that if kilkenny bring their heart and intensity they can beat limerick. That to me IMPLIES that they have greater heart and intensity that limerick (assuming people who say that agree this Limerick team has more ability) but just my interpretation. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 17/07/2019 17:13:12 2212435 Link
Replying To BliainanÁir: "It's not that Limerick don't have (always have had in my book) those qualities. Just of all counties KK seem to bring them to the table 9 out of 10 games, others like Limerick 3 out of 4 games. They bring them with an unrivalled consitency. How many really flat performances have KK had in championship hurling under Cody. 2013 they had a few, but were going for 3 All-Irelands in a row and had injuries. Leinster final 2012 is another, 2001 Galway. I wouldn't classify 2010 v Tipp or 2005 v Galway etc as flat performances, just brilliant opposition on the day. But most of the time they get the best out of themselves. Even in the 30s Limerick never did a back to back. It's a hard thing to do. If they're a bit off the pace KK can take them. I don't think they will however. I really rate John Kiely and Limerick." Yup, I totally get you point there. Thanks for clarifying. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 17/07/2019 17:13:44 2212436 Link
Replying To blackspot91: "I never claimed anyone said that. I've just seen here and across the media etc that if kilkenny bring their heart and intensity they can beat limerick. That to me IMPLIES that they have greater heart and intensity that limerick (assuming people who say that agree this Limerick team has more ability) but just my interpretation." My apologies I read your post another way. Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 124 - 17/07/2019 21:25:40 2212548 Link
This will be one of worst KK teams to get to a All Ireland Final. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2550 - 18/07/2019 21:07:03 2212931 Link
Throwing the net wider now Banner Girl. Having a go at 2 counties in one post. Will you get any bites U wonder. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 979 - 18/07/2019 22:45:43 2212984 Link
If Limerick can avoid giving Kilkenny soft goals then they will be very hard to stop. The half back line will have their hands full with Walsh ,TJ and Mullen. I can see TJ sitting down ontop of Hannon to stop him setting up attacks. Byrnes will need to be tight and avoid going 'over the ditch' after being sold a dummy like the one he bought too easily in the Munster final by Callanan. What should be the focus is putting away any early chances. Look at the goal chances butchered by Cork. They need to be all taken. Limerick cant make a hero out of Murphy again this year. Iv great faith in the full forward line and especially Mulcahy and Casey in shooting for goal. Gillanes attempts at goal are still poor, usually high or else straight at the keeper. If Limerick are anyway under par they will be punished but Kilkenny have weak links in the fullback line and halfback line bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 19/07/2019 08:28:20 2213030 Link
I picked Tipp to win handy enough in the other semi but this match is far tougher for me. I'll pick Limerick only because they are loaded though I am wary of picking against KK. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2485 - 19/07/2019 09:23:55 2213040 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "I picked Tipp to win handy enough in the other semi but this match is far tougher for me. I'll pick Limerick only because they are loaded though I am wary of picking against KK." KK will have to be driven by pure ignorance and no respect for their opponents with lots of timber and let them have it, nothing wrong with a bit of old fashioned cutting..as we used to say in the full back line..everything goes, clear all man and ball!! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2550 - 19/07/2019 11:40:19 2213105 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "If Limerick can avoid giving Kilkenny soft goals then they will be very hard to stop. The half back line will have their hands full with Walsh ,TJ and Mullen. I can see TJ sitting down ontop of Hannon to stop him setting up attacks. Byrnes will need to be tight and avoid going 'over the ditch' after being sold a dummy like the one he bought too easily in the Munster final by Callanan. What should be the focus is putting away any early chances. Look at the goal chances butchered by Cork. They need to be all taken. Limerick cant make a hero out of Murphy again this year. Iv great faith in the full forward line and especially Mulcahy and Casey in shooting for goal. Gillanes attempts at goal are still poor, usually high or else straight at the keeper. If Limerick are anyway under par they will be punished but Kilkenny have weak links in the fullback line and halfback line" True about Gillane, I cant understand why it hasn't been coached into him yet to go low. Even his goal against Clare was high and at the keeper, it just happened to come off that time but low percentage shot. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 19/07/2019 21:41:09 2213317 Link