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Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly Tomas O'Sé did to get the line? I've read the match report from 5 different national newspapers today and not one described what it is exactly he did to see red.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7023 - 22/07/2019 16:23:15    2214818

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly Tomas O'Sé did to get the line? I've read the match report from 5 different national newspapers today and not one described what it is exactly he did to see red."
From speaking to several supporters who were at the game they said all he did was push a lad in the back. supposedly very harsh

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 22/07/2019 16:28:35    2214819

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly Tomas O'Sé did to get the line? I've read the match report from 5 different national newspapers today and not one described what it is exactly he did to see red."
I think he struck out at McGlynn in the back of the head or around the shoulder blades. There wasn't a lot in it, have looked like a shove but right in front of ref.

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 188 - 22/07/2019 16:30:46    2214820

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly Tomas O'Sé did to get the line? I've read the match report from 5 different national newspapers today and not one described what it is exactly he did to see red."
Hit Donegal player on back of head. It was more a shove but the rules punish technical sins the same as malicious ones. I think he was hung as a lamb in this instance.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3745 - 22/07/2019 16:32:31    2214822

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Replying To Adler:  "I'm not gonna read back through every comment so not sure if it's been mentioned but Patton's goalkeeping was really poor for Kerry goal. Geaney's shot was pretty central and while not exactly tame it was very stoppable. Patton knew it too, he was clearly annoyed with himself after the ensuing kick-out. Some of his defenders were bemused it got past him also."
Would agree. His kickouts were excellent. His shot-stopping with his soccer background is also very good but that goal yesterday will sicken him. Should have done better. Overall he has been exceptional this year though and can improve more.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 850 - 22/07/2019 16:36:21    2214825

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "Would agree. His kickouts were excellent. His shot-stopping with his soccer background is also very good but that goal yesterday will sicken him. Should have done better. Overall he has been exceptional this year though and can improve more."
Bit harsh Donegal_Abroad. When they're hit low like that its hard enough for keepers to get down. It was stronger than it looked, usually forwards from that distance won't get the ball that low. It was lovely technique from Geaney to keep it down like that, my prediction for his comeback to form was one game early. Maybe Patton could have got down better but I wouldn't knock him too much for it

Patton has been in great form, his kickouts are up there with Cluxton and Beggan. He adds that extra bit of stability in a part of the game that has become crucial now to give teams a platform to start attacks from / retain possession. I think only one of his long kick outs were turned over yesterday.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 22/07/2019 16:54:36    2214833

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Replying To Mobot:  "Got Lucky? Ryan McHugh scored a goal in the follow up but ref had blown the whistle. A goal was the fair outcome in that instance."
Kerry defenders had stopped playing by the time the ball went into the net as the ref had blown the whistle. When there is a clash of heads the ref is obliged to stop the game immediately no matter who is about to do what and in what minute of whatever important or nothing game it is.

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 270 - 22/07/2019 17:03:59    2214840

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Replying To Adler:  "I'm not gonna read back through every comment so not sure if it's been mentioned but Patton's goalkeeping was really poor for Kerry goal. Geaney's shot was pretty central and while not exactly tame it was very stoppable. Patton knew it too, he was clearly annoyed with himself after the ensuing kick-out. Some of his defenders were bemused it got past him also."
He got a hand to it but couldn't keep it out. The cause of it was two Donegal men fumbling the ball and colliding before so Geaney managed To get hold of it and got through on goal. Opportunistic is what it was and unfortunately it's the goalie will get more of the blame when that happens.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1541 - 22/07/2019 17:25:06    2214849

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Replying To Sindar:  "I'm a very happy person most days thanks.
He got in the way (or "obstruct" if you prefer) of Ó Baoill's route to goal and stood his ground though he certainly did take a step to meet him. The only mention of "obstruct" in the Official Guide is "To use the hurley to obstruct an opponent". I think we can both agree he wasn't carrying a hurley at the time.

I've gone to the bother of getting a clip of it and I also sent it into a WhatsApp group of referees that I'm in. Four said it was penalty and five said it wasn't. Those who said it was quoted the charging rule (To charge an opponent in the back or to the front). They never heard of "illegal obstruction" either.

However, I'm going to change my mind on reviewing it again as he did move forward to meet Ó Baoill and his arms where high. So it probably was a penalty. Does that make you happy?

You might also clear up where the headbutt is that you mentioned earlier? Collision of heads for sure but that's hardly the same thing.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_aZJSX_z2x3mHYwFfIt8f3pqPjdeRDFx/view"
I had a careful look at the clip. I agree that O Brien did 'move forward' but what is the significance of that? So, both players were moving forward and were involved in a head-on collision, literally.
Surely, the ref should be fairly sure before giving a penalty? Poor ref anyway, as demonstrated by the Sunday game. Incidentally, that was an odd discussion on SG re the penalty: no opinions as to whether or not it was penalty.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 177 - 22/07/2019 17:32:41    2214852

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Replying To keithlemon:  "Bit harsh Donegal_Abroad. When they're hit low like that its hard enough for keepers to get down. It was stronger than it looked, usually forwards from that distance won't get the ball that low. It was lovely technique from Geaney to keep it down like that, my prediction for his comeback to form was one game early. Maybe Patton could have got down better but I wouldn't knock him too much for it

Patton has been in great form, his kickouts are up there with Cluxton and Beggan. He adds that extra bit of stability in a part of the game that has become crucial now to give teams a platform to start attacks from / retain possession. I think only one of his long kick outs were turned over yesterday."
I guess it's because I rate Patton so highly that I found it a disappointment, but listen he's unreal and one of our main men now. At such a young age too it's wonderful for us.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 850 - 22/07/2019 18:00:46    2214868

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I had a careful look at the clip. I agree that O Brien did 'move forward' but what is the significance of that? So, both players were moving forward and were involved in a head-on collision, literally.
Surely, the ref should be fairly sure before giving a penalty? Poor ref anyway, as demonstrated by the Sunday game. Incidentally, that was an odd discussion on SG re the penalty: no opinions as to whether or not it was penalty."
So did I and I would revise my opinion to a stone wall peno.. Kerry defender asks 'is it a peno?' to ref, his reaction would have been much more defiant were he innocent. Fellow defenders likewise. Obaoil drops ball to take shot, which he is entitled to do, he isn't ch in this instance.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3745 - 22/07/2019 18:07:11    2214875

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Replying To catch22:  "I'd say Kerry boys are going to get a start today.
It could be a rude awakening for them."
Jays we got an awful awakening all right catch22 that result will have set us back years I'd say ;-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11500 - 22/07/2019 19:24:43    2214914

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This discussion shows just how tough a job the ref has. We have people watching it back changing opinion and people who still can't decide. What chance has a ref got in real time of getting all these calls right. My initial reaction in real time was oh s*it penno. Watching back could make an argument against however if it was the other end I'd be screaming penno!

reithi (Kerry) - Posts: 51 - 22/07/2019 19:42:25    2214928

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I heard an amazing stat today.

Of the 30 players who started the 2014 All Ireland Final between Kerry & Donegal only 5 started yesterday, 2 from Donegal & 3 from Kerry.

Thats an amazing turnover in just 5 years!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4973 - 22/07/2019 19:47:30    2214931

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "I heard an amazing stat today.

Of the 30 players who started the 2014 All Ireland Final between Kerry & Donegal only 5 started yesterday, 2 from Donegal & 3 from Kerry.

Thats an amazing turnover in just 5 years!"
Would be interesting to know how many started the All Ireland minor final played yesterday too.

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 188 - 22/07/2019 20:22:09    2214946

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Brilliant game of football , really enjoyed it , both teams had poor calls against them thought a draw was about right .
2 serious teams no doubt about it , both will be around for a long time and im sure winning All Irelands as well .
But hopefully not this year -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2056 - 22/07/2019 20:32:31    2214951

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "I heard an amazing stat today.

Of the 30 players who started the 2014 All Ireland Final between Kerry & Donegal only 5 started yesterday, 2 from Donegal & 3 from Kerry.

Thats an amazing turnover in just 5 years!"
Of the 2011/2012 Mayo team, how many of them featured this season in Championship for Mayo?

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 510 - 22/07/2019 20:43:42    2214960

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Replying To Al_Maguire:  "Would be interesting to know how many started the All Ireland minor final played yesterday too."
Off the top of my head for us I'd say McMenamin & Brennan, then McGonagle and Diver were on the bench. Eoghan Ban played in that final as well of course.

You have lads then like Kieran Gillespie injured, plus Mulligan and Carroll who have dropped off the senior panel. Stephen McBrearty is another lad who will possibly feature in senior colours in the future. Ethan O'Donnell perhaps as well.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7023 - 22/07/2019 21:05:48    2214971

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I know every team has it tight from here on in but was just considering Donegal's likely path to win this year's All Ireland since super 8s began.

Meath (H)
Kerry (N)
Mayo (A)
Dublin (N) :-)
Kerry (N)

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7023 - 22/07/2019 21:09:23    2214972

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Replying To Donegalman:  "So did I and I would revise my opinion to a stone wall peno.. Kerry defender asks 'is it a peno?' to ref, his reaction would have been much more defiant were he innocent. Fellow defenders likewise. Obaoil drops ball to take shot, which he is entitled to do, he isn't ch in this instance."
I actually seen the penalty incident back domegalman and I don't know what O'Brien was supposed to do ? He had to stand his ground,?

And is it not the attacking players responsibility to go around the defender or else it's barging surely?

As for the guy who said Steve head butted the Donegal player, who headbutts people with their mouths?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11500 - 22/07/2019 21:20:13    2214976

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