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It didn't look like Steve moved into his way from the cusack stand where I was sitting, now I haven't had the opportunity to look at it back yet but I'm real time it looked like he stood him up,.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/07/2019 12:43:29 2214644 Link 1 |
I don't really do pedantry either. Illegally obstructing the player in possession. Does that make you happy? It's still a foul. Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 240 - 22/07/2019 12:45:45 2214647 Link 1 |
A very good performance yesterday. I thought at one stage we were going to ship a heavy defeat as the Kerry forwards started to click but we kept a lid on it. A few points of note from me. fatkeeper (Dublin) - Posts: 316 - 22/07/2019 12:52:10 2214652 Link 1 |
A game we should have won, it was an exciting game no doubt and some top quality scores and plays, hopefully now we beat Mayo and get to the semi final most likely against Dublin, that's probably the end of the road though, but if we get that far and get a few senior players back from injury we will give Dublin a serious rattle, Kerry v Tyrone is 50/50 hard to call this far out. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2703 - 22/07/2019 12:57:28 2214658 Link 0 |
How do you conclude you should have won?
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 22/07/2019 13:02:27 2214662 Link 6 |
A couple of very cranky Kerry lads on here this morning. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 22/07/2019 13:02:50 2214663 Link 8 |
I personally didn't think it was a foul. I think the clash of heads made it look more than it was so the ref gave it. I saw it as O'Brien making himself big and strong and the attacker with little room trying to burst through. I was always taught that if you stand up square when defending, the man carrying has the responsibility to try and evade the tackle. If he keeps running straight it's charging. The point is, if the Donegal lad had just sidestepped, I'd say O'Brien would have used his arms and fouled him anyway at that speed. It should have been a free out. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 22/07/2019 13:11:36 2214668 Link 0 |
It was a great game for sure and one which will stand to the young players on both respective teams. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9070 - 22/07/2019 13:19:43 2214674 Link 0 |
Your right Muck appologies.
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 22/07/2019 13:23:14 2214680 Link 4 |
what a game. outstanding by both teams. Kerry should have won but could easily have lost to a gret Donegal team. woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 22/07/2019 13:43:09 2214694 Link 1 |
I'm a very happy person most days thanks. He got in the way (or "obstruct" if you prefer) of Ó Baoill's route to goal and stood his ground though he certainly did take a step to meet him. The only mention of "obstruct" in the Official Guide is "To use the hurley to obstruct an opponent". I think we can both agree he wasn't carrying a hurley at the time. I've gone to the bother of getting a clip of it and I also sent it into a WhatsApp group of referees that I'm in. Four said it was penalty and five said it wasn't. Those who said it was quoted the charging rule (To charge an opponent in the back or to the front). They never heard of "illegal obstruction" either. However, I'm going to change my mind on reviewing it again as he did move forward to meet Ó Baoill and his arms where high. So it probably was a penalty. Does that make you happy? You might also clear up where the headbutt is that you mentioned earlier? Collision of heads for sure but that's hardly the same thing. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_aZJSX_z2x3mHYwFfIt8f3pqPjdeRDFx/view Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 22/07/2019 13:43:12 2214695 Link 0 |
Yep, that was my reading of it. I don't think we were hard done by as it's easy to see why it was given. Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 22/07/2019 13:46:44 2214697 Link 0 |
Exactly baldybadger , O'brien was hardly going to get out of his way.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/07/2019 13:56:33 2214706 Link 1 |
When you hit someone on the head with your head it's a head butt. I didn't say he purposely or recklessy did it. But his momentum lead in head first... gave himself a bloody nose in the process... he ceratinly doesn't just stand there and is charged at like other posters are saying. As i'm not a referee I didn't know the exact phrasing for taking a man out of it in this way. But a frontal charge is still a type of 'illegal obstruction' of the player in plain English, if not the rule book term. Whatever phrasing you want me to use... it's good to know that you now think its a foul. But my other point - which everyone ignored - is that if it's not a penalty, it's still a goal to Donegal by Ryan McHugh. Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 240 - 22/07/2019 14:18:41 2214727 Link 1 |
Beauty in the eye of the beholder re the peno incident. I can see both arguments, but u might have to argue a bit harder to convince innocence in tackle over charging. Watch again for the craic. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 22/07/2019 14:37:14 2214739 Link 2 |
I agree but I think the issue for him from a defender POV is that he's making no attempt to play the ball. O'Baoill has dropped the ball to take a shot but O'Brien has stayed high with his tackle. Definite pen for me.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 22/07/2019 14:41:57 2214743 Link 1 |
Got Lucky? Ryan McHugh scored a goal in the follow up but ref had blown the whistle. A goal was the fair outcome in that instance.
Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 22/07/2019 14:54:59 2214753 Link 2 |
Some of them get cranky alright if you don't let them win. They like to be telling you how great you are when you lose but by Jaysus if you dare bate them then you'll see the mask slip a small bit. ''Twas a good game alright and I'd say it'll stand to Donegal when in Castlebar in a couple of weeks.Kerry however will top the group as they'll get past Meath by a bigger score I'd say. Things are hotting up a small bit now alright.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 22/07/2019 15:16:31 2214766 Link 0 |
Ahh to be fair to the Kerry lads it's hard to keep calm when posters like catch22 spout utter anti Kerry nonsense.
dakid (Australia) - Posts: 282 - 22/07/2019 15:31:09 2214776 Link 3 |
I'm not gonna read back through every comment so not sure if it's been mentioned but Patton's goalkeeping was really poor for Kerry goal. Geaney's shot was pretty central and while not exactly tame it was very stoppable. Patton knew it too, he was clearly annoyed with himself after the ensuing kick-out. Some of his defenders were bemused it got past him also. Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 754 - 22/07/2019 16:21:13 2214816 Link 0 |