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Replying To hunting: "Any word where the walsh Cup is been played." I was thinking croke park before the dubs football league game
gannett83 (Wexford) - Posts: 333 - 21/01/2024 16:55:01
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Replying To gannett83: "I was thinking croke park before the dubs football league game" Was thinking the same, it's confirmed tomorrow I think.
Be interesting to see how we approach it, we've Kilkenny in the league the following weekend which in my important in my opinion.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/01/2024 17:09:33
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Travelled to game yesterday and while walking to the stand i was quite worried as kk looked much bigger and stronger than us but it's not all about that as our lads got stuck into them and worked hard for every ball even though it is January.. think we deserved to win as we were the better team and didn't look under pressure.. 2 goals were sucker punches but we held out to win.. as regards the team.. Murphy patsy and Eoin Ryan did well in the corners and wil offer more options for them positions.. havnt really seen much of Ryan but have heard good things if his like his father we are blessed.. foley has been real good in fullback spot and was dominating yesterday before going off.. could offer a real option there if Jippo was injured…mcguckian is carrying on clubform while Kelly was immense in 2nd half but for me has a lack of pace.. reck is becoming one of the best no 6s in the game and was brillant again yesterday.. Kevin foley is returning to the form from years ago which is a massive plus as i think his a class hurler.. Hearne is a workhorse and wil give ya 100 percent gets through a load of work.. Corey was brillant aswell as kind of a 3rd midfielder and set up loads of scores, tucker has potential would like to see more of him.. jacko played as everyone knows he can is just getting the consistency… bryne was a bit quite but can see him making the final panel as for Richie Lawlor think he could be a good option come the hard ground as offer pace as does Casey.. can we carry Casey as a starter for Frees to take pressure off chin..if he can produce the form from his Carlow IT days could be massive… jack Doran is another nippy player to come on and i think he can offer something… anyway roll on next week anyone know where match wil be im thinking Croker before dubs league football game
gannett83 (Wexford) - Posts: 333 - 21/01/2024 17:28:39
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Replying To gannett83: "Travelled to game yesterday and while walking to the stand i was quite worried as kk looked much bigger and stronger than us but it's not all about that as our lads got stuck into them and worked hard for every ball even though it is January.. think we deserved to win as we were the better team and didn't look under pressure.. 2 goals were sucker punches but we held out to win.. as regards the team.. Murphy patsy and Eoin Ryan did well in the corners and wil offer more options for them positions.. havnt really seen much of Ryan but have heard good things if his like his father we are blessed.. foley has been real good in fullback spot and was dominating yesterday before going off.. could offer a real option there if Jippo was injured…mcguckian is carrying on clubform while Kelly was immense in 2nd half but for me has a lack of pace.. reck is becoming one of the best no 6s in the game and was brillant again yesterday.. Kevin foley is returning to the form from years ago which is a massive plus as i think his a class hurler.. Hearne is a workhorse and wil give ya 100 percent gets through a load of work.. Corey was brillant aswell as kind of a 3rd midfielder and set up loads of scores, tucker has potential would like to see more of him.. jacko played as everyone knows he can is just getting the consistency… bryne was a bit quite but can see him making the final panel as for Richie Lawlor think he could be a good option come the hard ground as offer pace as does Casey.. can we carry Casey as a starter for Frees to take pressure off chin..if he can produce the form from his Carlow IT days could be massive… jack Doran is another nippy player to come on and i think he can offer something… anyway roll on next week anyone know where match wil be im thinking Croker before dubs league football game" Darragh Ryan is Eoin's uncle rather than Dad.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/01/2024 19:51:44
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An nice win for rossy and co. As said kk lads looked bigger but wexford played to their strengths and moved the ball well. Jacko was back to his best and theres positives to be taken even if its only January.Wexford have a hoodoo over kk in recent years so management will want to keep that going.
I wasnt suprised wexford got the win when i seen the kk team it wasnt great. They brought on 3 thomastown lads who were beering till Wednesday night i was told at the match. The scoreline flattered kk i thought they were at 6s and 7s with the movement and setup of the fowards.They were very poor but wexford worked their socks off.
As others have said this is the same position as last year and look how that turned out so no one will get carried away but its nice to win all the same. Franks and ryans influence was very evident. The final is a good game to get before the league so management will look for consistency. That has being missing a number of years. Galway always seem to find a way so a good performance could set up for a good league.
Slowandshortsighted (UK) - Posts: 73 - 21/01/2024 21:05:56
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Replying To icehonesty: "Give me some examples of players who played adult level, after coming out of minor back in 2021 or 2022, who got broken up by adults. I'll wait. There aren't any. Young players up to u18 do plenty of S&C and every club has 3 or 4 or 5 players aged 17 who are well able physically to play adult football or hurling. There is no such thing nowadays as a 30 year old corner back breaking up a young lad, as Viking mentioned, those days are well gone.
I won't be surprised when some club takes a legal challenge on this silly rule. How can an 18 year old adult be prevented from competing with his fellow adults. I can't see that surviving any legal challenge.
There is a huge of lack of trust in coaches and clubs shown in this. There seems to be the narrative that it's win at all costs and players aren't cared about. That's just untrue. Coaches are better educated than ever before. Clubs have always protected players, and nowadays more than ever. Clubs want to improve young players and want to win games - why would anyone throw a skinny, light 17 year old into a big game knowing they'll be no use? They wouldn't. However, they would put in a 17 or 18 year old who is physically able for it, who can contribute and who will improve from the experience.
County minor was mentioned. Sure that's 30 players or so. Some in their first year. What about all the other guys?
You mention dropout rates. This rule does nothing to improve dropout rates whatsoever, in fact the opposite is the case. You're from a club with a poor minor team. You're good enough, strong enough and mentally ready to play adult football. But no, you've to waste another year getting beaten. Sure you'd be gone to do something else, no question." The rule about minors not being allowed to play adult is not primarily to do with physical size or ability.
Nobody disputes that some minor players would be well able to hold their at adult level. But the keyword is some. Maybe 10% of them. Maybe 20% at an absolute push.
The difficulty then is how you run the minor championships from about the middle of September onwards for the other 80 to 90% of minor players, if this minority is tied up in playing adult grade matches?
We've already discussed this at length in the "Wexford Structures 2024" thread. I've asked the same question there. I'd still love to hear a workable solution from you or anybody else who continues to argue that minors should be allowed play at adult level.
If you can come up with one, I'm all ears.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3464 - 21/01/2024 21:32:50
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Replying To Slowandshortsighted: "An nice win for rossy and co. As said kk lads looked bigger but wexford played to their strengths and moved the ball well. Jacko was back to his best and theres positives to be taken even if its only January.Wexford have a hoodoo over kk in recent years so management will want to keep that going.
I wasnt suprised wexford got the win when i seen the kk team it wasnt great. They brought on 3 thomastown lads who were beering till Wednesday night i was told at the match. The scoreline flattered kk i thought they were at 6s and 7s with the movement and setup of the fowards.They were very poor but wexford worked their socks off.
As others have said this is the same position as last year and look how that turned out so no one will get carried away but its nice to win all the same. Franks and ryans influence was very evident. The final is a good game to get before the league so management will look for consistency. That has being missing a number of years. Galway always seem to find a way so a good performance could set up for a good league." What's your obsession with pointing out the strength or lack of with the opposition selection, to me both teams approached it similarly with their selections, our lads were just more up for it, more in tune with each other and frankly deserved to win by more.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/01/2024 21:55:26
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Was talking to a panel member this morning who got his 15th cap this weekend. 30 percent have been against Kilkenny and 4 have been Wexford wins.
One swallow never made a summer and it's only January, but I'd have given anything for a record like that back in 09
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4387 - 22/01/2024 10:41:07
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Replying To gannett83: "Travelled to game yesterday and while walking to the stand i was quite worried as kk looked much bigger and stronger than us but it's not all about that as our lads got stuck into them and worked hard for every ball even though it is January.. think we deserved to win as we were the better team and didn't look under pressure.. 2 goals were sucker punches but we held out to win.. as regards the team.. Murphy patsy and Eoin Ryan did well in the corners and wil offer more options for them positions.. havnt really seen much of Ryan but have heard good things if his like his father we are blessed.. foley has been real good in fullback spot and was dominating yesterday before going off.. could offer a real option there if Jippo was injured…mcguckian is carrying on clubform while Kelly was immense in 2nd half but for me has a lack of pace.. reck is becoming one of the best no 6s in the game and was brillant again yesterday.. Kevin foley is returning to the form from years ago which is a massive plus as i think his a class hurler.. Hearne is a workhorse and wil give ya 100 percent gets through a load of work.. Corey was brillant aswell as kind of a 3rd midfielder and set up loads of scores, tucker has potential would like to see more of him.. jacko played as everyone knows he can is just getting the consistency… bryne was a bit quite but can see him making the final panel as for Richie Lawlor think he could be a good option come the hard ground as offer pace as does Casey.. can we carry Casey as a starter for Frees to take pressure off chin..if he can produce the form from his Carlow IT days could be massive… jack Doran is another nippy player to come on and i think he can offer something… anyway roll on next week anyone know where match wil be im thinking Croker before dubs league football game" Game fixed for Carlow Sunday coming at 1.30. Handy spin.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 22/01/2024 10:53:15
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Replying To Viking66: "Game fixed for Carlow Sunday coming at 1.30. Handy spin." Would be delighted with that. Much more appealing than a trip to croker on a saturday evening in January for us fans although it would have been a good experience for some of the younger lads who havent played there yet. Looking at the Galway team they look to have 7 or 8 of their championship team involved already so itg will be a huge test for our lads
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 22/01/2024 11:09:35
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Replying To Viking66: "Game fixed for Carlow Sunday coming at 1.30. Handy spin." Perfect for us but probably a bit harsh on Galway travel wise, there playing Mayo in Salthill at the same time in the football league so surprised its clashing with that.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 22/01/2024 11:21:45
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Was talking to a panel member this morning who got his 15th cap this weekend. 30 percent have been against Kilkenny and 4 have been Wexford wins.
One swallow never made a summer and it's only January, but I'd have given anything for a record like that back in 09" If we lose the other two games to them this year that record won`t look as good and our season will be a disappointment. If we have learned anything from last few years it is that supporters should not get over excited by early season wins and should have some sort of respect to losses without the toxic abuse we saw last year.
Having said that it is good to see so many new players get a run and cope reasonably well. The panel needs to develop and the likes of Murphy, Foley, Ryan, Molly, Byrne are the future.
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 200 - 22/01/2024 11:38:46
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Replying To wexfordwin: "If we lose the other two games to them this year that record won`t look as good and our season will be a disappointment. If we have learned anything from last few years it is that supporters should not get over excited by early season wins and should have some sort of respect to losses without the toxic abuse we saw last year.
Having said that it is good to see so many new players get a run and cope reasonably well. The panel needs to develop and the likes of Murphy, Foley, Ryan, Molly, Byrne are the future." Wouldnt define on our season on games against Kilkenny although they are our biggest rivals. Our aim for the year has to be minimum top 3 in the league and championship. Anything after that is a bonus although if we get things right I think we are as good as any team in Leinster. Im really pleased with how the young lads are showing and the smart hurling through the lines we are playing. We still have Jippo, Donohoe, Devitt, Shane Reck, Hanlon, Dee , Chin, ROC, Oisin Foley, Mac and hopefully Mogie to come back. Hopefully the younger lads continue to improve and put some of the older lads under pressure for their positions. Competition for places is what we've lacked over the years. Rossiter will have a difficult job reducing the panel size before the league next week
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 22/01/2024 11:56:14
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Replying To Afinestick: "Wouldnt define on our season on games against Kilkenny although they are our biggest rivals. Our aim for the year has to be minimum top 3 in the league and championship. Anything after that is a bonus although if we get things right I think we are as good as any team in Leinster. Im really pleased with how the young lads are showing and the smart hurling through the lines we are playing. We still have Jippo, Donohoe, Devitt, Shane Reck, Hanlon, Dee , Chin, ROC, Oisin Foley, Mac and hopefully Mogie to come back. Hopefully the younger lads continue to improve and put some of the older lads under pressure for their positions. Competition for places is what we've lacked over the years. Rossiter will have a difficult job reducing the panel size before the league next week" For me the focus is completely on Dublin and Antrim in the 1st 2 games in Leinster, We've absolutely thrown away the games against Dublin the last 2 years, Antrim in Belfast will be a big banana skin, from their perspective they'd probably see Kilkenny and Galway as a step too far so would be focusing on the games against ourselves and Dublin to rattle a cage. I'm not to hung up on where we finish in the league once we're competitive on the whole, you'd probably allow for 1 poor performance out of 5 games but not 3 or 4 like we saw last year. I think being in 1B wouldn't be the disaster as it was around 2014-16 as then it was usually something like ourselves, Limerick and Clare going for 1 promotion spot, next year to not get promoted you'd need to finish below a Joe McDonagh team or Antrim or Carlow.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 22/01/2024 12:21:12
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Was talking to a panel member this morning who got his 15th cap this weekend. 30 percent have been against Kilkenny and 4 have been Wexford wins.
One swallow never made a summer and it's only January, but I'd have given anything for a record like that back in 09" For sure!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 22/01/2024 12:27:32
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Replying To Afinestick: "Wouldnt define on our season on games against Kilkenny although they are our biggest rivals. Our aim for the year has to be minimum top 3 in the league and championship. Anything after that is a bonus although if we get things right I think we are as good as any team in Leinster. Im really pleased with how the young lads are showing and the smart hurling through the lines we are playing. We still have Jippo, Donohoe, Devitt, Shane Reck, Hanlon, Dee , Chin, ROC, Oisin Foley, Mac and hopefully Mogie to come back. Hopefully the younger lads continue to improve and put some of the older lads under pressure for their positions. Competition for places is what we've lacked over the years. Rossiter will have a difficult job reducing the panel size before the league next week" I'm not sure he can reduce the panel by much. There aren't many lads who weren't on the 26 in Callan who aren't injured.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 22/01/2024 12:30:10
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Replying To Pikeman96: "The rule about minors not being allowed to play adult is not primarily to do with physical size or ability.
Nobody disputes that some minor players would be well able to hold their at adult level. But the keyword is some. Maybe 10% of them. Maybe 20% at an absolute push.
The difficulty then is how you run the minor championships from about the middle of September onwards for the other 80 to 90% of minor players, if this minority is tied up in playing adult grade matches?
We've already discussed this at length in the "Wexford Structures 2024" thread. I've asked the same question there. I'd still love to hear a workable solution from you or anybody else who continues to argue that minors should be allowed play at adult level.
If you can come up with one, I'm all ears." Fixtures congestion is just not a good enough reason to deprive 10-20% of minor players the development opportunity of playing at adult level.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2587 - 22/01/2024 12:34:32
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "For me the focus is completely on Dublin and Antrim in the 1st 2 games in Leinster, We've absolutely thrown away the games against Dublin the last 2 years, Antrim in Belfast will be a big banana skin, from their perspective they'd probably see Kilkenny and Galway as a step too far so would be focusing on the games against ourselves and Dublin to rattle a cage. I'm not to hung up on where we finish in the league once we're competitive on the whole, you'd probably allow for 1 poor performance out of 5 games but not 3 or 4 like we saw last year. I think being in 1B wouldn't be the disaster as it was around 2014-16 as then it was usually something like ourselves, Limerick and Clare going for 1 promotion spot, next year to not get promoted you'd need to finish below a Joe McDonagh team or Antrim or Carlow." Limerick won the AI from 1b in 2018 and Galway in 2017. We were in div2 in 1996.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 22/01/2024 12:39:23
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Replying To icehonesty: " Replying To Pikeman96: "The rule about minors not being allowed to play adult is <u>not</u> primarily to do with physical size or ability.
Nobody disputes that <u>some</u> minor players would be well able to hold their at adult level. But the keyword is <u>some</u>. Maybe 10% of them. Maybe 20% at an absolute push.
The difficulty then is how you run the minor championships from about the middle of September onwards for the other 80 to 90% of minor players, if this minority is tied up in playing adult grade matches?
We've already discussed this at length in the "Wexford Structures 2024" thread. I've asked the same question there. I'd still love to hear a workable solution from you or anybody else who continues to argue that minors should be allowed play at adult level.
If you can come up with one, I'm all ears."</div>Fixtures congestion is just not a good enough reason to deprive 10-20% of minor players the development opportunity of playing at adult level." You still aren't coming up with any ideas on the practical side of this. When would you play the minor championship? And who would decide which 17 year olds were ready and which not? What grades would you play them in? Would you weigh them? Measure their height? How do you decide who is physically ready and who isn't?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 22/01/2024 13:01:30
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Replying To icehonesty: " Replying To Pikeman96: "The rule about minors not being allowed to play adult is <u>not</u> primarily to do with physical size or ability.
Nobody disputes that <u>some</u> minor players would be well able to hold their at adult level. But the keyword is <u>some</u>. Maybe 10% of them. Maybe 20% at an absolute push.
The difficulty then is how you run the minor championships from about the middle of September onwards for the other 80 to 90% of minor players, if this minority is tied up in playing adult grade matches?
We've already discussed this at length in the "Wexford Structures 2024" thread. I've asked the same question there. I'd still love to hear a workable solution from you or anybody else who continues to argue that minors should be allowed play at adult level.
If you can come up with one, I'm all ears."</div>Fixtures congestion is just not a good enough reason to deprive 10-20% of minor players the development opportunity of playing at adult level." So fixture congestion is a reason to deprive 80-90% of minor players playing a properly structured competition.
james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 615 - 22/01/2024 13:03:14
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