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Replying To Doylerwex:  "It wouldn't suit him at all. Although it's a very good option for mixing it up, particular hunting for a goal.

Last week we had two on the edge of the square for the whole game"
They had to make very fast runs late out from the small rectangle to get on diagonal balls played in. They were doing that in the 1st half against Carlow too but I think only around 10 or 11 such balls were played in in the whole half. Mac wouldn't have the speed or inclination to make those runs, and against the top fullbacks at intercounty come championship he isn't able to win enough high dropping ball. I agree 100% there's very few lads as good at scoring when he gets the ball in his hand, but over the last few years how often has that happened in a game? Against Galway last year it happened when McInerney fell over. Hopefully when his back is better the management team might be able to try work out some way of getting the ball into his hand more often. But he is going to have to work hard to find something himself at the same time. He's a great hurler and always was since he was a chap. But when you look back at some of the great underage games he had for Wexford he used to move around alot more.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 20/01/2024 21:49:42    2521207

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I think Richie lawlor is nailed on if he keeps this going.

He's gotten through an obscene amount of work.

He put the Kilkenny defense under savage pressure trying to clear the ball which created loads of chances."
He had a good game. As the withdrawn inside forward you wouldn't be expecting him to score as much. Seamus and Cian only scored 1 point between them from play but the bigger worry is that they didn't make more chances for themselves either. It's not as if they made them and missed them on account of the weather.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 20/01/2024 21:53:42    2521208

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Replying To Viking66:  "Dunbar Dwyer and Foley are all attacking options!"
Dunbar is already back actually. It looks like Foley is a bit away still. I haven't heard a word about Dwyer

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4387 - 20/01/2024 22:41:29    2521213

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Replying To Viking66:  "Was thinking about another thing Fogarty said as I was driving through Bennettsbridge which was the importance of winning. At the same time by Thomastown the realisation struck me that this time last year we had just beaten Kilkenny after winning our previous Walsh Cup fixture. And then we only won 3 more games all year.

We haven't even seen 1 Swallow yet."
A big difference compared to last year is we played a strong team as it was the opening night of the floodlights and 12k in attendance while KK were experimenting, today both teams experimented and both new and experienced players showed up well.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/01/2024 00:37:59    2521221

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Not a betting man but if I was I think the Galway game could be Croke Park next Saturday evening, can't see any curtain raiser at the moment for Dublin/Monaghan in the football league.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/01/2024 00:41:25    2521223

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Watched it back on clubber. The players played with good intensity for the time of year and conditions. And confidence. Mikey Kelly was better in the 1st half than he looked live, Jacko looked even better than he did on 1st impression, especially in the 1st half he covered alot of ground he didn't just stand there and score good points off both sides. And for me Kevin Foley was MOTM, with Damien Reck also showing great leadership. Lyng was fairly disappointed in the post match interview. Live I thought Kilkenny were terrible, but on watching it back the lads really worked hard to make them look that way, didn't give them any space with 2 and 3 lads around the Kilkenny ball carriers, especially around the middle 3rd. And when they went long the fullback line were very solid.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 21/01/2024 07:50:26    2521229

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Replying To icehonesty:  "If a young man turned 18 yesterday, he can vote, drink in a pub, own property, buy an house, get married, etc. but he cant play adult hurling in Wexford til next year. He'll be 19 and a half playing his first adult championship hurling match in summer 2025, after turning 18 in January 2024."
Fortunately voting in this country won't physically cause any harm to the voter. I played adult long before I was 18, did it do any harm, no but it also was a different time - everything was knockout including underage. Back then we never played enough underage games. Another thing was back then underage games would get postponed because some player was involved in adult, even now u16s games don't get played because they are needed for u18s. Also what has changed is that kids up to u18s don't seem to do much s&c as the age groups above that (there will always be a debate about what is the most appropriate age to start)- physically the difference is now even more stark than it was yeas ago.
The dropout rates in the GAA are terrible but nobody cares as long as they keep the really good lads playing and even then how many end up going backwards and quitting in their early 20s - there is not much by way of stats but logic would tell us that the drop out rate is very high. You could say why do we not trust the clubs to manage their players - well the reality is that its proven they cannot be trusted.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2191 - 21/01/2024 08:32:55    2521232

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Dunbar is already back actually. It looks like Foley is a bit away still. I haven't heard a word about Dwyer"
Dwyer is injured but on the panel.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 21/01/2024 10:47:47    2521241

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Replying To Viking66:  "Dwyer is injured but on the panel."
anyone read this post? thank god we we this man in wexford!!!!!!
Replying To Viking66: "I agree with all of that Barney except for the last line. I don't think immigration was ever really a left/right issue, except where its been objected to on racist grounds. I still associate the far right with the 3rd Reich, Germany for pure bred Aryans etc etc. The issue is complicated though. Firstly nearly no economy in Europe has grown at the rate ours has. That's not only stretched our services due to poor planning at government level, but really stretched our human resources to keep up. If there wasn't the demand for workers, especially skilled ones in healthcare and menial ones in many poorly paid sectors like hospitality, we wouldn't have had anywhere near the inward migration we have had. Basically put, our economic growth has outstripped our population growth. We also have, and have always had, a fairly large number of "can't work won't work " types in the country. If more of these lads worked, there'd be less demand for some inward migration. And because of our disproportionately large inward investment, multinationals etc, your "industrial estate and financial centre" scenario, and as we will likely be even more so going forwards as the other main English speaking country in Europe is no longer in the EU, our countrys economy on paper looks bigger/better than it actually is for most of our population in reality. On the ground. This is attracting lads around the world to move here, even though for many born here it's just an illusion. Finally, because our "great" wealth is so poorly distributed, with most of it concentrated in relatively few hands at the top of the tree, this is exacerbating the tensions in poorer areas as regards immigrants, as many in these poorer areas are struggling to get houses, get decent education for their kids, get access to proper healthcare, get decently paid jobs, a better quality of life you could say, as it is. As you probably can tell Barney I'm still very much left of centre in my economic, social and political outlook. But I'm also a realist. Globalisation is a reality, driven by ease of travel, better access to information due to the Internet, and for many in poorer parts of the world the goal of financial security and/or wealth/quality of life. The problem if you are "small c" conservative, as I would be myself btw, is that leaves you with 2 basic choices. You can close/restrict your borders and suffer the longterm economic pain caused by being outside of regional/global markets, like North Korea for an extreme example where life hasn't changed much since the 1940s, or embrace it and try to make it work as best you can, which is the position where most other countries in the world have been heading since the 2nd World War. I don't particularly like change tbh, but I can see why it's necessary, and in some instances unavoidable, given the alternatives. Where we have fell down as a country is that the people running the place have wanted the bigger cake that globalisation and right wing Adam Smith economic policies brings, but are now wholly unprepared for the cake sinking in the middle as the oven hasn't been improved to cook it. And immigration is just the tip of the problems we now face as a result of that economic and social mismanagement."

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 21/01/2024 11:15:18    2521250

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Replying To Viking66:  "They had to make very fast runs late out from the small rectangle to get on diagonal balls played in. They were doing that in the 1st half against Carlow too but I think only around 10 or 11 such balls were played in in the whole half. Mac wouldn't have the speed or inclination to make those runs, and against the top fullbacks at intercounty come championship he isn't able to win enough high dropping ball. I agree 100% there's very few lads as good at scoring when he gets the ball in his hand, but over the last few years how often has that happened in a game? Against Galway last year it happened when McInerney fell over. Hopefully when his back is better the management team might be able to try work out some way of getting the ball into his hand more often. But he is going to have to work hard to find something himself at the same time. He's a great hurler and always was since he was a chap. But when you look back at some of the great underage games he had for Wexford he used to move around alot more."
In Fairness it's not as easy to find space or win balls when you're double and triple marked either. He was left isolated in most games I seen. Would love to see him inside with Chin or ROC and see how he went, didn't we do that v Clare a couple of years ago and they caused a lot of damage

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 346 - 21/01/2024 12:19:38    2521261

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "anyone read this post? thank god we we this man in wexford!!!!!!
Replying To Viking66: "I agree with all of that Barney except for the last line. I don't think immigration was ever really a left/right issue, except where its been objected to on racist grounds. I still associate the far right with the 3rd Reich, Germany for pure bred Aryans etc etc. The issue is complicated though. Firstly nearly no economy in Europe has grown at the rate ours has. That's not only stretched our services due to poor planning at government level, but really stretched our human resources to keep up. If there wasn't the demand for workers, especially skilled ones in healthcare and menial ones in many poorly paid sectors like hospitality, we wouldn't have had anywhere near the inward migration we have had. Basically put, our economic growth has outstripped our population growth. We also have, and have always had, a fairly large number of "can't work won't work " types in the country. If more of these lads worked, there'd be less demand for some inward migration. And because of our disproportionately large inward investment, multinationals etc, your "industrial estate and financial centre" scenario, and as we will likely be even more so going forwards as the other main English speaking country in Europe is no longer in the EU, our countrys economy on paper looks bigger/better than it actually is for most of our population in reality. On the ground. This is attracting lads around the world to move here, even though for many born here it's just an illusion. Finally, because our "great" wealth is so poorly distributed, with most of it concentrated in relatively few hands at the top of the tree, this is exacerbating the tensions in poorer areas as regards immigrants, as many in these poorer areas are struggling to get houses, get decent education for their kids, get access to proper healthcare, get decently paid jobs, a better quality of life you could say, as it is. As you probably can tell Barney I'm still very much left of centre in my economic, social and political outlook. But I'm also a realist. Globalisation is a reality, driven by ease of travel, better access to information due to the Internet, and for many in poorer parts of the world the goal of financial security and/or wealth/quality of life. The problem if you are "small c" conservative, as I would be myself btw, is that leaves you with 2 basic choices. You can close/restrict your borders and suffer the longterm economic pain caused by being outside of regional/global markets, like North Korea for an extreme example where life hasn't changed much since the 1940s, or embrace it and try to make it work as best you can, which is the position where most other countries in the world have been heading since the 2nd World War. I don't particularly like change tbh, but I can see why it's necessary, and in some instances unavoidable, given the alternatives. Where we have fell down as a country is that the people running the place have wanted the bigger cake that globalisation and right wing Adam Smith economic policies brings, but are now wholly unprepared for the cake sinking in the middle as the oven hasn't been improved to cook it. And immigration is just the tip of the problems we now face as a result of that economic and social mismanagement.""
That post doesn't belong in this thread lad.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 21/01/2024 13:12:20    2521265

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Replying To WexMurph:  "In Fairness it's not as easy to find space or win balls when you're double and triple marked either. He was left isolated in most games I seen. Would love to see him inside with Chin or ROC and see how he went, didn't we do that v Clare a couple of years ago and they caused a lot of damage"
In the Davy days he was double and triple marked for sure. I was at that Clare game though. Mac scored nothing. Him playing on Cleary did mean that Lee Chin had a weaker lad aerially marking him, but Lohan then dropped his large half backs back into that space and closed it off.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 21/01/2024 13:19:58    2521267

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "anyone read this post? thank god we we this man in wexford!!!!!!
Replying To Viking66: "I agree with all of that Barney except for the last line. I don't think immigration was ever really a left/right issue, except where its been objected to on racist grounds. I still associate the far right with the 3rd Reich, Germany for pure bred Aryans etc etc. The issue is complicated though. Firstly nearly no economy in Europe has grown at the rate ours has. That's not only stretched our services due to poor planning at government level, but really stretched our human resources to keep up. If there wasn't the demand for workers, especially skilled ones in healthcare and menial ones in many poorly paid sectors like hospitality, we wouldn't have had anywhere near the inward migration we have had. Basically put, our economic growth has outstripped our population growth. We also have, and have always had, a fairly large number of "can't work won't work " types in the country. If more of these lads worked, there'd be less demand for some inward migration. And because of our disproportionately large inward investment, multinationals etc, your "industrial estate and financial centre" scenario, and as we will likely be even more so going forwards as the other main English speaking country in Europe is no longer in the EU, our countrys economy on paper looks bigger/better than it actually is for most of our population in reality. On the ground. This is attracting lads around the world to move here, even though for many born here it's just an illusion. Finally, because our "great" wealth is so poorly distributed, with most of it concentrated in relatively few hands at the top of the tree, this is exacerbating the tensions in poorer areas as regards immigrants, as many in these poorer areas are struggling to get houses, get decent education for their kids, get access to proper healthcare, get decently paid jobs, a better quality of life you could say, as it is. As you probably can tell Barney I'm still very much left of centre in my economic, social and political outlook. But I'm also a realist. Globalisation is a reality, driven by ease of travel, better access to information due to the Internet, and for many in poorer parts of the world the goal of financial security and/or wealth/quality of life. The problem if you are "small c" conservative, as I would be myself btw, is that leaves you with 2 basic choices. You can close/restrict your borders and suffer the longterm economic pain caused by being outside of regional/global markets, like North Korea for an extreme example where life hasn't changed much since the 1940s, or embrace it and try to make it work as best you can, which is the position where most other countries in the world have been heading since the 2nd World War. I don't particularly like change tbh, but I can see why it's necessary, and in some instances unavoidable, given the alternatives. Where we have fell down as a country is that the people running the place have wanted the bigger cake that globalisation and right wing Adam Smith economic policies brings, but are now wholly unprepared for the cake sinking in the middle as the oven hasn't been improved to cook it. And immigration is just the tip of the problems we now face as a result of that economic and social mismanagement.""
Strange you are back so early in the year. Our minors aren't back yet and our Seniors haven't lost yet.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 21/01/2024 13:21:35    2521268

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Replying To Viking66:  "Strange you are back so early in the year. Our minors aren't back yet and our Seniors haven't lost yet."
pity you would not take a brake and give every one else a chance to voice their opinions,

in fairness 11000 posts seem to be an addiction to hogan stand forums

like a lot of people I enjoy the forum with out posting and only ever posted on the minor because our record in wexford is so poor and until our underage is improved we will struggle

proud wexford man but politics and know alls like you will allways hold wexford back

don't worry this is my last ever post on hogan stand and pity you would not di the same

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 21/01/2024 14:37:09    2521288

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "pity you would not take a brake and give every one else a chance to voice their opinions,

in fairness 11000 posts seem to be an addiction to hogan stand forums

like a lot of people I enjoy the forum with out posting and only ever posted on the minor because our record in wexford is so poor and until our underage is improved we will struggle

proud wexford man but politics and know alls like you will allways hold wexford back

don't worry this is my last ever post on hogan stand and pity you would not di the same"
I've never stopped anyone voicing an opinion! I agree about the underage point and am doing my best to help that way, coaching and trying to be a better coach is how I spend most of my free time. I can answer a point on a non GAA thread if I want who do you think you are to tell me I can't or shouldn't? I'm not a know all there's plenty of threads on this forum I don't post on and don't have any opinion on. And there's been numerous times I've posted opinions on this thread or others where a lad would point out that I'm wrong or looking at something the wrong way. Theres lads who post on this forum who are top administrators, players, coaches and former players from this county and every other one. I know some of them personally. I take what any other poster says on board. That's how I learn.
I've never stopped you from voicing any opinion or posting whatever you want. And if you aren't going to post again, which I doubt as you've said that before, why would it bother you if I do or don't?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 21/01/2024 15:09:13    2521300

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Like some of the viewers above I agree Mac is a lovely wrists hurler but I would say his game is more or less at the same level it was when he joined the panel.

The day of the modern full forward just standing on the square winning the odd high ball and point is long over.

Look at Seamus Flanagan & TJ Reid who are full forwards - Phenomenal workrate, movement, bringing others into the game and getting their few scores.

You can't carry any player now unless they are bagging you 1-6 a game and even then they would need to be working when not on the ball.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 1028 - 21/01/2024 15:24:19    2521306

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Replying To tonydoranfan:  "pity you would not take a brake and give every one else a chance to voice their opinions,

in fairness 11000 posts seem to be an addiction to hogan stand forums

like a lot of people I enjoy the forum with out posting and only ever posted on the minor because our record in wexford is so poor and until our underage is improved we will struggle

proud wexford man but politics and know alls like you will allways hold wexford back

don't worry this is my last ever post on hogan stand and pity you would not di the same"
Viking can be excessive in his posts but your the last person to be judging another poster based on your form.

You claimed your son was on the minor panel last year but didn't know something as basic as the leinster minor championship been run off as a round robin competition rather than knockout.

Think you posted a series of poor results for underage teams which were incorrect too.

You were like a raging bull with your posts after the Clare league game and when you challenged on this disappeared for 2-3 months.

Why would you intentionally post inaccurate information like that?

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 21/01/2024 16:05:17    2521317

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Viking can be excessive in his posts but your the last person to be judging another poster based on your form.

You claimed your son was on the minor panel last year but didn't know something as basic as the leinster minor championship been run off as a round robin competition rather than knockout.

Think you posted a series of poor results for underage teams which were incorrect too.

You were like a raging bull with your posts after the Clare league game and when you challenged on this disappeared for 2-3 months.

Why would you intentionally post inaccurate information like that?"
I get carried away for sure:-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19055 - 21/01/2024 16:11:48    2521322

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Replying To zinny:  "Fortunately voting in this country won't physically cause any harm to the voter. I played adult long before I was 18, did it do any harm, no but it also was a different time - everything was knockout including underage. Back then we never played enough underage games. Another thing was back then underage games would get postponed because some player was involved in adult, even now u16s games don't get played because they are needed for u18s. Also what has changed is that kids up to u18s don't seem to do much s&c as the age groups above that (there will always be a debate about what is the most appropriate age to start)- physically the difference is now even more stark than it was yeas ago.
The dropout rates in the GAA are terrible but nobody cares as long as they keep the really good lads playing and even then how many end up going backwards and quitting in their early 20s - there is not much by way of stats but logic would tell us that the drop out rate is very high. You could say why do we not trust the clubs to manage their players - well the reality is that its proven they cannot be trusted."
Give me some examples of players who played adult level, after coming out of minor back in 2021 or 2022, who got broken up by adults. I'll wait. There aren't any. Young players up to u18 do plenty of S&C and every club has 3 or 4 or 5 players aged 17 who are well able physically to play adult football or hurling. There is no such thing nowadays as a 30 year old corner back breaking up a young lad, as Viking mentioned, those days are well gone.

I won't be surprised when some club takes a legal challenge on this silly rule. How can an 18 year old adult be prevented from competing with his fellow adults. I can't see that surviving any legal challenge.

There is a huge of lack of trust in coaches and clubs shown in this. There seems to be the narrative that it's win at all costs and players aren't cared about. That's just untrue. Coaches are better educated than ever before. Clubs have always protected players, and nowadays more than ever. Clubs want to improve young players and want to win games - why would anyone throw a skinny, light 17 year old into a big game knowing they'll be no use? They wouldn't. However, they would put in a 17 or 18 year old who is physically able for it, who can contribute and who will improve from the experience.

County minor was mentioned. Sure that's 30 players or so. Some in their first year. What about all the other guys?

You mention dropout rates. This rule does nothing to improve dropout rates whatsoever, in fact the opposite is the case. You're from a club with a poor minor team. You're good enough, strong enough and mentally ready to play adult football. But no, you've to waste another year getting beaten. Sure you'd be gone to do something else, no question.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2587 - 21/01/2024 16:17:56    2521324

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Replying To icehonesty:  "Give me some examples of players who played adult level, after coming out of minor back in 2021 or 2022, who got broken up by adults. I'll wait. There aren't any. Young players up to u18 do plenty of S&C and every club has 3 or 4 or 5 players aged 17 who are well able physically to play adult football or hurling. There is no such thing nowadays as a 30 year old corner back breaking up a young lad, as Viking mentioned, those days are well gone.

I won't be surprised when some club takes a legal challenge on this silly rule. How can an 18 year old adult be prevented from competing with his fellow adults. I can't see that surviving any legal challenge.

There is a huge of lack of trust in coaches and clubs shown in this. There seems to be the narrative that it's win at all costs and players aren't cared about. That's just untrue. Coaches are better educated than ever before. Clubs have always protected players, and nowadays more than ever. Clubs want to improve young players and want to win games - why would anyone throw a skinny, light 17 year old into a big game knowing they'll be no use? They wouldn't. However, they would put in a 17 or 18 year old who is physically able for it, who can contribute and who will improve from the experience.

County minor was mentioned. Sure that's 30 players or so. Some in their first year. What about all the other guys?

You mention dropout rates. This rule does nothing to improve dropout rates whatsoever, in fact the opposite is the case. You're from a club with a poor minor team. You're good enough, strong enough and mentally ready to play adult football. But no, you've to waste another year getting beaten. Sure you'd be gone to do something else, no question."
Any word where the walsh Cup is been played.

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1193 - 21/01/2024 16:38:36    2521329

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