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Replying To seadog54:  "A good 20/25 minutes against Dublin only highlighted the potential we have, its potential that current management have failed to bring on. Granted timing is poor, however the same excuse was used after Dublin wiped the floor with us in previous year, combined with dropping back to div 2 with only one draw on the credit side, cannot change now, new season too close, new managment will not have time and on and on.We took the easy option and gave him another year, where did that get us? The review must have raised a lot of questions and those who voted against another term realised Andy Mac does not have the answers. There is never a bad time to do the right thing, Meath football will not fall apart and certainly will get better if change is made now."
BS. It will destroy the good work that has been done. This is all done to a few lads who have their quif up over Flynn. Thankfully looks like the clubs will tell them to go f themselves and put Meath football ahead of someone's ego.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/10/2021 19:25:58    2385058

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Replying To royaldunne:  "BS. It will destroy the good work that has been done. This is all done to a few lads who have their quif up over Flynn. Thankfully looks like the clubs will tell them to go f themselves and put Meath football ahead of someone's ego."
Changed your mind once again? What happened to promotion or management gone.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 09/10/2021 19:57:20    2385062

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Replying To seadog54:  "Changed your mind once again? What happened to promotion or management gone."
I had said I changed my mind after Dublin game. So that's 3 months ago. And furthermore if they were to change management that is when it should have been done. After Dublin game.
I wouldn't have minded If say McCarthy was installed at that stage he would have had time to organise a back room team, attend club games, talk to the players on panel, scout more players. The quarter finals of our championships in all levels are on this weekend and no one has even been approached or asked to take over, if Andy looses out on Tuesday then and only then will a process BE SET UP , to find a replacement ffs man how can that be good enough for Meath football? Honestly it's TOO LATE. Leave him there for next year and have a process IN PLACE, so the person or persons taking over can be prepared. This is Eamonn O'Brien all over again, have we learned nothing? I did say if we didn't get promoted he should leave once there was a alternative in line, that could have been done in July. Even August. But October? NO. hopefully the clubs will have common sense and know that a change of management at this stage with needing to be in the top 3 in division two next year vital to Meath football and will leave him in place to achieve that. Andy will not in all likelihood win a Leinster or all ire, but if we change now neither will his successor or unfortunately his successors.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/10/2021 10:08:16    2385088

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Replying To latouche25:  "O'Bric is a born winner. He would revel in the position and would put a game plan in place to get the best out of these lads."
Of all the mad comments about this topic, no offence but yours tops them all. Not wanting to downplay the wonderful achievement of winning a Minor All-Ireland, he has only managed Meath Minors in four Championship games and if you thought O Bric was our saviour, he decision making was poor on the line in the All Ireland final, he actually nearly lost it for Meath, he was blessed Tyrone kicked so many terrible wides and we got away with a double hop for the win. So sorry to burst your bubble but if you think O Bric should get the job based on the fact of only winning four Inter county championship games, against Louth, a really bad Dublin team, Sligo and a Tyrone who couldn't score in a month of Sunday's, then we are in worse shape than I thought. Been blessed with good talent to work with doesn't necessarily prove you are a good manager. I would like to see O' Bric prove himself with more challenges, like at u20 before I would consider him for the Senior job.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 10/10/2021 11:33:23    2385095

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Replying To brian:  "Paddy O'Rourke
Harry Rooney
Donal Lenihan

There's three who would be as good if not better than some players of the recent and current squad.


The following he's had fallings out with or tossed aside
Burlingham/ Hannigan/ McDermott/ Beakey/ Yorke
Toner/Power/ O'Coilean
Toher/Douglas
Brian Conlon/ Padraig McKeever/ Mark Mccabe
Ben Brennan when he was aksed to be a back up keeper this year

Eamonn and Joey wallace both walked away at different stages."
Thank god your not the Meath manager,thats some list of players there,lol

Utdroyal (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 10/10/2021 12:54:07    2385102

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I had said I changed my mind after Dublin game. So that's 3 months ago. And furthermore if they were to change management that is when it should have been done. After Dublin game.
I wouldn't have minded If say McCarthy was installed at that stage he would have had time to organise a back room team, attend club games, talk to the players on panel, scout more players. The quarter finals of our championships in all levels are on this weekend and no one has even been approached or asked to take over, if Andy looses out on Tuesday then and only then will a process BE SET UP , to find a replacement ffs man how can that be good enough for Meath football? Honestly it's TOO LATE. Leave him there for next year and have a process IN PLACE, so the person or persons taking over can be prepared. This is Eamonn O'Brien all over again, have we learned nothing? I did say if we didn't get promoted he should leave once there was a alternative in line, that could have been done in July. Even August. But October? NO. hopefully the clubs will have common sense and know that a change of management at this stage with needing to be in the top 3 in division two next year vital to Meath football and will leave him in place to achieve that. Andy will not in all likelihood win a Leinster or all ire, but if we change now neither will his successor or unfortunately his successors."
Fair enough on chage of mind, its hard to keep up with you at times, this is nothing like Eamon O B, as far as I know CB wanted him to stay but clubs decided to vote him out, as for timing it should have been done sooner, however CB were awaiting review before vote, Andy knew he had to be ratified but attempted to force the issue. Kerry, Kildare just appointed new men, Galway hurlers yet to do so. Plenty of time for new management, up to 6 month before we kick a competitive ball, panel will not change a whole lot either way. No doubt clubs will back him, just have to look back to 2010/12
to see the ABC mentality of some clubs

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 10/10/2021 13:59:56    2385107

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Replying To Meathball:  "Of all the mad comments about this topic, no offence but yours tops them all. Not wanting to downplay the wonderful achievement of winning a Minor All-Ireland, he has only managed Meath Minors in four Championship games and if you thought O Bric was our saviour, he decision making was poor on the line in the All Ireland final, he actually nearly lost it for Meath, he was blessed Tyrone kicked so many terrible wides and we got away with a double hop for the win. So sorry to burst your bubble but if you think O Bric should get the job based on the fact of only winning four Inter county championship games, against Louth, a really bad Dublin team, Sligo and a Tyrone who couldn't score in a month of Sunday's, then we are in worse shape than I thought. Been blessed with good talent to work with doesn't necessarily prove you are a good manager. I would like to see O' Bric prove himself with more challenges, like at u20 before I would consider him for the Senior job."
You clearly don't know much about football or O'Bric. You just show total disrespect to the achievement of the minor win. They beat all comers. Compared to when Mc Entee was over the minors they lost 3 times a record that will never be equalled. Just look at O'Brics record at club level minor and u21 titles with O'Mahonys, Took the Tones to the county final and won the league with them, won minor and U17 titles with them. But according to you he's not very good. I think you need to get a grip. Educate your self on these things first.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 10/10/2021 14:40:49    2385109

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Replying To latouche25:  "You clearly don't know much about football or O'Bric. You just show total disrespect to the achievement of the minor win. They beat all comers. Compared to when Mc Entee was over the minors they lost 3 times a record that will never be equalled. Just look at O'Brics record at club level minor and u21 titles with O'Mahonys, Took the Tones to the county final and won the league with them, won minor and U17 titles with them. But according to you he's not very good. I think you need to get a grip. Educate your self on these things first."
I really like O'Bric and love how he speaks and the minor team seemed really well coached. And I've no doubt he could be a future Meath manager. But he already has Meath jobs for the next 2 and I think maybe 3 years. He is the post minor development manager next year and already appointed to that post. To take him out of it to make him the senior manager would be so regressive and putting the cart before the horse. We need to nurture these players born in 03/04 if we want to do anything. And the pathway with McCarthy and O'Bric ensures that. Do not mess with that

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 10/10/2021 15:30:59    2385116

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Replying To Utdroyal:  "Thank god your not the Meath manager,thats some list of players there,lol"
Don't know what point you're trying to make. The question was who were these players that Andy had fallings out with and those are some players that he himself invited into the panel and then discarded or fell out with.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 11/10/2021 09:46:24    2385188

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Does anybody know what day this week the vote is, and what % is required to go against the executive. I presumed it was just the majority, but in 2012 it looked like Banty needed 66%. I honestly can't believe we are in this position. The country laughing at us, 1 week of having our house in order was too long for the executive.

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 11/10/2021 11:19:34    2385208

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Does anybody know what day this week the vote is, and what % is required to go against the executive. I presumed it was just the majority, but in 2012 it looked like Banty needed 66%. I honestly can't believe we are in this position. The country laughing at us, 1 week of having our house in order was too long for the executive."
Info. from Chronicle. Vote tuesday night, needs backing of 30 clubs. I live down south and far from laughing at us, opinion seems to be how have we put up with him for so long. Its just another step in putting our house in order.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 11/10/2021 14:06:37    2385241

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Does anybody know what day this week the vote is, and what % is required to go against the executive. I presumed it was just the majority, but in 2012 it looked like Banty needed 66%. I honestly can't believe we are in this position. The country laughing at us, 1 week of having our house in order was too long for the executive."
Couldn't agree more, laughing stock of the GAA again, think we need to stick for one more year and if we want to change then we do so in the summer when we can carry out a properly structured selection process, talking about short term solutions is madness, the players involved deserve more than that, also the talk of promoting O Bric/McCarthy is nuts as well, those guys have been tasked with developing the next crop of players so leave them to do that and i am sure in time they will be good senior candidates, a lot of people give out about Andy and his sideline antics, maybe this is his passion coming out, I wonder what the player's are thinking on all this, I'm sure there are players who will say stay and those who will say go but the end of the day IMO Oct/Nov is not the time for this carry on. Hope we are not national news on Wednesday for the wrong reason.

StickFan (Meath) - Posts: 217 - 11/10/2021 15:21:29    2385258

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Replying To StickFan:  "Couldn't agree more, laughing stock of the GAA again, think we need to stick for one more year and if we want to change then we do so in the summer when we can carry out a properly structured selection process, talking about short term solutions is madness, the players involved deserve more than that, also the talk of promoting O Bric/McCarthy is nuts as well, those guys have been tasked with developing the next crop of players so leave them to do that and i am sure in time they will be good senior candidates, a lot of people give out about Andy and his sideline antics, maybe this is his passion coming out, I wonder what the player's are thinking on all this, I'm sure there are players who will say stay and those who will say go but the end of the day IMO Oct/Nov is not the time for this carry on. Hope we are not national news on Wednesday for the wrong reason."
One thing that nobody has mentioned here is the prospect that some of the more senior players may call it a day if Andy and the current management is voted out by the clubs. We have some good young players coming through but we could do with the likes of Menton, Keoghan etc for another couple of years.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 330 - 11/10/2021 16:02:36    2385263

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "One thing that nobody has mentioned here is the prospect that some of the more senior players may call it a day if Andy and the current management is voted out by the clubs. We have some good young players coming through but we could do with the likes of Menton, Keoghan etc for another couple of years."
Without a shadow of a doubt, Menton, Keogan and few others will leave the squad if Andy is gone in this way. He has extreme loyalty from all those players and a huge number will go if this management team are ousted in this disgraceful manner.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 11/10/2021 17:39:37    2385277

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Replying To seadog54:  "Info. from Chronicle. Vote tuesday night, needs backing of 30 clubs. I live down south and far from laughing at us, opinion seems to be how have we put up with him for so long. Its just another step in putting our house in order."
Colm Parkinson's Joe.ie GAA podcast today calling out the stupidity of our county board. Same with Tommy Rooney, Ger Gilroy and Eoin Sheehan on Off the ball. And from a more local perspective Davy Rispin and Mickey Brennan talking about the recklessness of it. Regardless of what you think about Andy McEntee, voting a manager out 3 months after the team has been knocked out and with players already working away on gym programs it is absolute lunacy to vote in a new manager. This discussion isn't even about whether it's the wrong decision to try and push out Andy. It's about the timing and the lack of a replacement. That's the embarrassing part of it

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 11/10/2021 19:26:34    2385285

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Does anybody know what day this week the vote is, and what % is required to go against the executive. I presumed it was just the majority, but in 2012 it looked like Banty needed 66%. I honestly can't believe we are in this position. The country laughing at us, 1 week of having our house in order was too long for the executive."
Live in Westmeath and they laughing their asses off at us. Every day it's ahh jasus you lot are some ejits, what you doin? Was these the same guys who paid a fortune for faulty and dangerous floodlights? Etc etc.
And today, are Meath afraid of been successful or are they been run by dubs.
Honestly I normally wear a Meath jacket a couple of days a week. I haven't in past week. We are a laughing stock. Embarrassing

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/10/2021 21:21:27    2385294

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Replying To kingofclubs:  "One thing that nobody has mentioned here is the prospect that some of the more senior players may call it a day if Andy and the current management is voted out by the clubs. We have some good young players coming through but we could do with the likes of Menton, Keoghan etc for another couple of years."
From what I'm hearing is if he does go so does a few lads.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/10/2021 21:22:48    2385295

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Replying To seadog54:  "A good 20/25 minutes against Dublin only highlighted the potential we have, its potential that current management have failed to bring on. Granted timing is poor, however the same excuse was used after Dublin wiped the floor with us in previous year, combined with dropping back to div 2 with only one draw on the credit side, cannot change now, new season too close, new managment will not have time and on and on.We took the easy option and gave him another year, where did that get us? The review must have raised a lot of questions and those who voted against another term realised Andy Mac does not have the answers. There is never a bad time to do the right thing, Meath football will not fall apart and certainly will get better if change is made now."
There is never a bad time to do the right thing?, meaningless comment, obviously timing is important in a decision like this. Rushing decisions often leads to mistakes, more likely to make a bad appointment when we are backed into a corner with little time to make a choice.
In fairness to McEntee there have also been positives to his reign. He is the only Meath manager since Boylan to get us to division 1, player preparation seems to have improved a lot in his time there, fitness much better. This year he was quite brave against Dublin, he could of set up like Kildare, play to keep the score down but he went for it and he was able to get the players to buy into it.
You say the review must have raised a lot of questions, I'd say it is unlikely the review actually brought up anything we don't already know, I'm not sure why you think there was some big reveal there.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 11/10/2021 21:59:12    2385300

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Does anybody know what day this week the vote is, and what % is required to go against the executive. I presumed it was just the majority, but in 2012 it looked like Banty needed 66%. I honestly can't believe we are in this position. The country laughing at us, 1 week of having our house in order was too long for the executive."
From memory when they had the Banty vote years ago they would have needed a two thirds majority to put him out, guessing it's the same now.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 11/10/2021 22:01:45    2385301

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Replying To seadog54:  "Info. from Chronicle. Vote tuesday night, needs backing of 30 clubs. I live down south and far from laughing at us, opinion seems to be how have we put up with him for so long. Its just another step in putting our house in order."
I havnt heard of 1 person countrywide that has asked how have we put up with mcentee for so long. Stop making s**t up. What I do know is counties and plenty of clubs in Dublin will be approaching him if we make the wrong decision tonight.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 937 - 12/10/2021 07:37:33    2385302

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