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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I dunno about the full-back line, the starting six forwards for Tipp scored 0-05 from play between them so I don't think that's where we lost the game" Only scoring 19 points was the issue. Management didn't play a sweeper and we still didnt concede a horrible score, but we hit some poor wides and forwards dropped catchable balls in the penalty area.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14473 - 02/02/2025 21:17:25
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Lifeless game tbh
Six-point loss a fair enough reflection in the end, don't know how much of it was because we were better than last week (A very low benchmark to pass) and how much of it was because Tipperary aren't at Cork's level
At least we could point out some positives today, Jack Redmond, Connal Flood, and Richie Lawlor showed well IMO. I didn't get the decision to take off Flood, he was at least causing Tipperary problems. Cillian Byrne and Simon Roche made some decent enough contributions off the bench too, they're not really ready to contribute at this level yet but if we don't get any more players back next week, I'd rather see them start than some of our other starters today
Our forwards can't win ball for love nor money, Chin will have to play in the half-forward line when he comes back
Don't know what the deal is with Cian Molloy or Eoin Whelan, guessing they must be injured given how a lot of the other younger players are getting gametime
Think it's all about getting to championship now without shipping too many heavy beatings and hopefully getting some more experience for these younger players and getting the more experienced players back. In an ideal world, you'd blood in a few young players alongside a strong, experienced core of a team but unfortunately, we have to throw them all in at the deep end right now
Don't want to be in the business of making excuses as people never believe you no matter how valid the excuses are but it's not so much the number of players we are missing right now but rather the players we are missing. Not every player needs to be a skyscraper but you need a few on the team and we have no height at the moment, Chin, Mac, Rory, and Jippo wouldn't hurt us from a height perspective. Add those four to the two Recks and you're talking about six of our best hurlers really
Our biggest problem though is that you take the six best hurlers off Cork, Clare, or Limerick and they'd still be capable of hurling a lot better than us right now, we're too top-heavy at the moment" I agree with you about who we're missing. They are ALL our best hurlers.
I disagree with what you've said about Clare, Cork etc. I'd argue if you took the best 6 players out of any team on top of the retirements they'd struggle.
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Replying To Viking66: "Only scoring 19 points was the issue. Management didn't play a sweeper and we still didnt concede a horrible score, but we hit some poor wides and forwards dropped catchable balls in the penalty area." It wasn't a great performance by any stretch but it was a big improvement on last week.
The league is funny. Cork hammered us, tipp hammered gales. Galway go and beat Kilkenny who beat Clare last week.
I was pleased with the full back line for the most part. Even Dooley who should never have 3 on his back.
Hearne was probably our best player.
Lawlor and flood justified my confidence in them:)
We had plenty of chances to rack up more scores and I'm satisfied enough at that level of progress in one week.
Raise it again now with a couple of lads back next week in the park and we're in with a shout. We need to get a result now to get going a bit. The championship won't be too long coming around.
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My original post was not allowed for some reason, so I keep this one short. Any word on why Whelan, Kehoe or molloy are not getting any game time, when we persist with some of the usual culprits in defence.
Also cillian Byrne rowley and Simon Roche are three good for the future
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1044 - 02/02/2025 21:32:34
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Replying To Doylerwex: "It wasn't a great performance by any stretch but it was a big improvement on last week.
The league is funny. Cork hammered us, tipp hammered gales. Galway go and beat Kilkenny who beat Clare last week.
I was pleased with the full back line for the most part. Even Dooley who should never have 3 on his back.
Hearne was probably our best player.
Lawlor and flood justified my confidence in them:)
We had plenty of chances to rack up more scores and I'm satisfied enough at that level of progress in one week.
Raise it again now with a couple of lads back next week in the park and we're in with a shout. We need to get a result now to get going a bit. The championship won't be too long coming around." Agree it would be nice to win Saturday. Also agree Lawlor and Flood played pretty well. Not sure Hearne was our best player as he was last week, though he was certainly 1 of them along with Redmond and Darren Codd the 2 lads starting their 1st Senior game.
Tipp had a likely 1st choice midfield pair on show, Willie Connors was my MOTM by quite a margin, Morgan was good too, but I thought Hearne played well, and I thought David Codd wasn't too bad either.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14473 - 02/02/2025 21:55:49
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I agree with you about who we're missing. They are ALL our best hurlers.
I disagree with what you've said about Clare, Cork etc. I'd argue if you took the best 6 players out of any team on top of the retirements they'd struggle." Liam Ryan will hardly play this year?
How did Conor Foley go at 6?
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Replying To Timbertony: "Liam Ryan will hardly play this year?
How did Conor Foley go at 6?" Was ok. He's turning into a solid player. Less prone to over commit, and getting stronger. Still only will be 22 at the end of this year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14473 - 02/02/2025 22:18:09
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Replying To Viking66: "Only scoring 19 points was the issue. Management didn't play a sweeper and we still didnt concede a horrible score, but we hit some poor wides and forwards dropped catchable balls in the penalty area." Tbf, they hit as many wides as we did, big issue for me is that it's very hard to score if your forwards can't win the ball in the first place
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 372 - 02/02/2025 22:47:47
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Replying To Timbertony: "Liam Ryan will hardly play this year?
How did Conor Foley go at 6?" I think he's nailed on at this stage. He'll be a permanent fixture for us for the next decade hopefully but not sure 6 is his best position to be honest.
I can see him going back to 3 when Reck is back.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3312 - 02/02/2025 23:19:16
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Out of interest, I had a look back at the team who started against Kilkenny in the 2022 Leinster SHC
Fanning
Damien Reck (Injured)
Jippo (Injured)
Devitt (Injured)
Dee (Retired)
Donohoe
MO'H (Retired)
Paudie Foley (Travelling)
Kevin Foley (Injured)
Liam Óg (Retired)
Rory (Suspended)
Jacko
Oisín Foley (Travelling)
Lee (Only just back)
Mac (Injured)
So out of the starting XV that day, only two started today (One of whom was in goals) and one came off the bench
There should always be churn but you're on a hiding to nothing if you're starting 2/15 from a big championship came from only three years ago
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 372 - 02/02/2025 23:52:29
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I honestly thought we were in for another pasting after last week but to be fair this was so much better. Tipperary i felt were always going to win.
They were in control for most of the game.
Darren Codd and Jack Redmond playing in their first game did really well. 19 points is not bad to finish on but our goal threat is non existant.
Wirh Chin and Rory back for next Saturday and possibly Damien and Kevin Foley if they can be patched up will strenghten the side hugely.
Richie Lawlor by all accounts had a fine game and looks like he may keep the number 7 shirt.
Its vital that we get a win or two in our remaining games to build confidence and be ready for the championship.
Some say it might do us no harm to be relegated but i don't subcribe to that. You will not learn much by playing weaker counties.
It would be a big step backwards if we went down to the lower division of the league and a whole lot worse is we were playing in the Joe Mac next year.
However i am optimistic about keeping our status in both competitons.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 396 - 03/02/2025 08:35:26
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Out of interest, I had a look back at the team who started against Kilkenny in the 2022 Leinster SHC
Fanning
Damien Reck (Injured)
Jippo (Injured)
Devitt (Injured)
Dee (Retired)
Donohoe
MO'H (Retired)
Paudie Foley (Travelling)
Kevin Foley (Injured)
Liam Óg (Retired)
Rory (Suspended)
Jacko
Oisín Foley (Travelling)
Lee (Only just back)
Mac (Injured)
So out of the starting XV that day, only two started today (One of whom was in goals) and one came off the bench
There should always be churn but you're on a hiding to nothing if you're starting 2/15 from a big championship came from only three years ago" Devitts not injured, he left the panel. Really underrated hurler who probably should've been given a chance to show it. I'm also not sure that all the players you have marked as injured are actually injured. As in, if we were playing a championship game next weekend, how many would miss it?
Also we didn't have a full pick for the game you mention, Shane Reck for example, and Flood, Dunbar and Dwyer all started games for us that year but were injured for that one or before it, and are still good players on the panel now. While he's still not a nailed on starter for me Charlie also started championship games that year also.
Come championship we will have 15 lads or more who played championship in 2022 including most of our best lads from that year, Chin, Rory, Damien, Shane etc. Maybe even get to see Mikie score another point like he did that day!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14473 - 03/02/2025 08:46:28
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If Chin and the Recks are able to start next weekend, and assuming the younger backs who we are wondering about are either injured or in bad form in training,
I'd go-
Kennedy
Murphy, C Foley, S Reck
Lawlor, D Reck, E Ryan or Dunbar if fit
Hearne, Dwyer
Redmond, Chin, Codd
Flood, Rory, Cian Byrne.
Have a mix of experienced lads like Fanning, Kevin Foley, Jacko, Dooley, Charlie, Seamus Casey and newer lads like David Codd, Cillian Byrne, Roche, Tucker, on the bench, assuming we wont see Mac or Jippo until later in the League or even the Championship. If one of the new wing forwards struggles then Jacko or Kevin if fit could come in to get more gametime into them.
Younger/newer lads or lads returning from long term injuries who have looked ok in the 1st 2 games like Redmond, Codd, C Foley, Murphy, Lawlor, Cian Byrne and Flood, and Dunbar in a new position or Ryan if Dunbar is injured, can get more gametime in a higher intensity game with a better atmosphere, as Kilkenny games always are. And at the same time we would be stronger up the middle of the pitch.
If Shane is injured but Dunbar isn't then Ryan could replace Shiner, if Damien is injured then move Conor Foley out to centreback and put Dooley back in at 3. No point us speculating on the other backs any more, Keith isn't likely to play them this year at this stage, unless we get absolutely decimated with even more injuries, or unless they were injured but doing well in training before that. Kehoe and Whelan are only 20/21ish, Patsy and Dundon are only 21/22ish. All 4 have plenty of time to fill out their frames and get up to Senior speed, if they are going to at all.
After the Clare game I'd really be hoping we would have what's pretty close to what Keith fancies as his championship team out for the last 2 games.
They have plenty of time still to break through.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14473 - 03/02/2025 10:25:17
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Replying To hunting: "My original post was not allowed for some reason, so I keep this one short. Any word on why Whelan, Kehoe or molloy are not getting any game time, when we persist with some of the usual culprits in defence.
Also cillian Byrne rowley and Simon Roche are three good for the future" I'm not sure but I thought Kehoe got injured in the dcu game against maynooth? Whelan is inured too apparently. 3 lads are defo goin be good for us in future and potentially this year I imagine!!
Thought wex looked a lot better from cork game was big improvement
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Replying To Viking66: "Devitts not injured, he left the panel. Really underrated hurler who probably should've been given a chance to show it. I'm also not sure that all the players you have marked as injured are actually injured. As in, if we were playing a championship game next weekend, how many would miss it?
Also we didn't have a full pick for the game you mention, Shane Reck for example, and Flood, Dunbar and Dwyer all started games for us that year but were injured for that one or before it, and are still good players on the panel now. While he's still not a nailed on starter for me Charlie also started championship games that year also.
Come championship we will have 15 lads or more who played championship in 2022 including most of our best lads from that year, Chin, Rory, Damien, Shane etc. Maybe even get to see Mikie score another point like he did that day!!!" These points are fair although I don't think they really change the point I was making that much i.e. the team we had out yesterday was very inexperienced
Fanning and Donohoe were the only two players we had out yesterday who have been regular starters for us, the rest were either in their first, second, or third season in the squad or else they had been in the squad for longer but haven't established themselves as starters (And when you're in the squad that long and haven't become a starter, it's generally for a reason)
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 372 - 03/02/2025 11:59:34
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