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The Limerick 5 In A Row, Will They Do It?

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Replying To Fitzy01:  "Comments here are getting a little silly. JP has been around a long long time and became the official single sponsor way back in 2004. No one was saying back then his money was responsible for buying success.

In relation to the knocks and fouls I think most give as good as they get. I will say I honestly think Hego is reffed differently, the man never goes to ground when fouled or pulled as very few are strong enough but he should still get his free if someone pulls or drags him. The opposition crowd will be foaming at the mouth if he comes back with a third of the punishment he takes and the refs will react to this too as do the pundits and the media. Opposition will disagree with this but this is honestly how I see it after years of seeing him in live action. I honestly think this treatment got to him last year."
My comment was a childish joke responding to a childish poster. I am well aware of what has gone on in Limerick and while money is a part of it i am well aware of the brilliant work behind the scenes.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7913 - 24/03/2024 18:48:09    2533251

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Fitzy01 I agree with a lot of that..I've felt for last couple of years limerick were being penalised for just being a bigger specimen than a lot of opponents..even watching some of league games I thought some of the players didn't show the same physicality .I think we also need all our backs available and I havnt heard anything on injury front..Clare match is huge and I think it will be the biggest test..they will come at limerick with all guns blazing and it'll be no place for anyone who just isn't up for it..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2247 - 24/03/2024 19:11:30    2533267

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Replying To Fitzy01:  "Comments here are getting a little silly. JP has been around a long long time and became the official single sponsor way back in 2004. No one was saying back then his money was responsible for buying success.

In relation to the knocks and fouls I think most give as good as they get. I will say I honestly think Hego is reffed differently, the man never goes to ground when fouled or pulled as very few are strong enough but he should still get his free if someone pulls or drags him. The opposition crowd will be foaming at the mouth if he comes back with a third of the punishment he takes and the refs will react to this too as do the pundits and the media. Opposition will disagree with this but this is honestly how I see it after years of seeing him in live action. I honestly think this treatment got to him last year."
For all the defending of Hegarty, he can be over aggressive and his use of the Hurley can be very loose. That's why is he penalised as much as he is.

The free against KK where he threw his man to the ground was an example. That was a stone wall free to KK

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2517 - 24/03/2024 20:19:01    2533302

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "For all the defending of Hegarty, he can be over aggressive and his use of the Hurley can be very loose. That's why is he penalised as much as he is.

The free against KK where he threw his man to the ground was an example. That was a stone wall free to KK"
I'm saying that if I was a Limerick fan I would probably think he is slightly victimised. Depends on your perspective I guess

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2517 - 24/03/2024 20:34:57    2533310

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Will Kiely and co make a mockery of rules by trying to get Casey's card overturned? Not first time.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1520 - 24/03/2024 21:09:38    2533330

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Will Kiely and co make a mockery of rules by trying to get Casey's card overturned? Not first time."
Like Clare did after their retrospective red cards in the Munster final of 2022, pot kettle black.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 24/03/2024 21:57:46    2533354

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This forum has descended into the infantile. All the best to all this year. I just hope in time people can enjoy greatness when it's right in front of their faces and appreciate the great game we have. Slán.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1141 - 24/03/2024 22:42:38    2533377

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Limerick over the past few years have played some of the best stuff we have ever seen with some of the best players we have ever seen, no doubt about that. But they have also got away with the most stuff in that period of time. Sneaky fouls, hurl flicks across the body and hands going unpunished. Off the ball fouls unpunished.

I am not knocking them for it by the way. You push the boundaries as much as you can and if you get away with it then so be it. But it's absolutely laughable that Limerick supporters on here and on social media would complain about another team. Nice pop at Mayo there lad, very mature. Big coincidence with JP money and success i suppose. Sure ye were winning everything before his money came in............"
Flaker, we had six All Irelands when Wexford had one and Tipp and Kilkeeny both had 12 and Cork 11. We had seven All Irelands when Galway and Clare had only one each. Limerick had been around long before JP was even born.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 24/03/2024 23:15:09    2533389

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Flaker, we had six All Irelands when Wexford had one and Tipp and Kilkeeny both had 12 and Cork 11. We had seven All Irelands when Galway and Clare had only one each. Limerick had been around long before JP was even born."
That's not really true now is it? Were successful in the 30s/40s did pretty much nothing again until the 70s had a bit of success in the 80s/90s and did nothing again until recently.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1400 - 25/03/2024 08:55:29    2533429

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Replying To daveboy:  "This forum has descended into the infantile. All the best to all this year. I just hope in time people can enjoy greatness when it's right in front of their faces and appreciate the great game we have. Slán."
It has. As did the Galway hurling forum after our draw the previous weekend. There was plenty of childish stuff from Galway and Limerick posters alike.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2073 - 25/03/2024 08:56:35    2533430

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This JP money nonsense is childish. If money was the solution Dublin would have the best football and hurling team by a country mile. Every county has backers and Limerick in general don't spend anymore than other county boards. JP has also just given every county in Ireland €1m. He's some man

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2517 - 25/03/2024 09:05:34    2533432

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "This JP money nonsense is childish. If money was the solution Dublin would have the best football and hurling team by a country mile. Every county has backers and Limerick in general don't spend anymore than other county boards. JP has also just given every county in Ireland €1m. He's some man"
You need more than money. You need players wanting to play hurling. Something Dublin lack.
The best hurlers play football from about minor up. So its not a fair comparison.
I don't believe every county has billionaire backers.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1156 - 25/03/2024 10:13:12    2533452

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Without deflecting onto poor referees or discipline can we address the much bigger issues that seemed to surface on Saturday for Limerick:

1. Their full back line looked a shambles, completely exposed an unable to cope in one v one situations. Kilkenny had at least 5 clear goalscoring opportunities. Will Mike Casey solve that??

2. The puck outs malfunctioned big time - hard to see why from TV why but im sure there will be plenty of managers looking at it.

3. Starting forwards scored 1-5 from play. 1-1 in the first two minutes and never looked dangerous afterwards.

4. Workrate. Completely outworked by Kilkenny.

IMO they are the real reasons Limerick lost and need to be urgently addressed. A lot of counties just got a lot of hope.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 25/03/2024 10:20:51    2533455

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "This JP money nonsense is childish. If money was the solution Dublin would have the best football and hurling team by a country mile. Every county has backers and Limerick in general don't spend anymore than other county boards. JP has also just given every county in Ireland €1m. He's some man"
" JP has also just given every county in Ireland €1m. He's some man"

JP McManus is a multibillionaire. Him giving €1m to every county in Ireland, would be equivalent to me giving every county €10. Would that make me 'some man'?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2501 - 25/03/2024 10:21:28    2533456

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Flaker, we had six All Irelands when Wexford had one and Tipp and Kilkeeny both had 12 and Cork 11. We had seven All Irelands when Galway and Clare had only one each. Limerick had been around long before JP was even born."
You need to read my follow up to that post.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7913 - 25/03/2024 10:34:37    2533461

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Flaker, we had six All Irelands when Wexford had one and Tipp and Kilkeeny both had 12 and Cork 11. We had seven All Irelands when Galway and Clare had only one each. Limerick had been around long before JP was even born."
Nobody is suggesting Limerick were not "around long before JP".
However, up to 2018, All of Limerick's All Irelands, bar 1973, were won between 1897-1940. All of these wins were single All Ireland wins, no back to back All Irelands.
What's happening in Limerick (at inter-county level) in recent years is exceptional - exceptional team and backroom team, exceptional resources and exceptional funding.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 25/03/2024 11:26:19    2533485

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "" JP has also just given every county in Ireland €1m. He's some man"

JP McManus is a multibillionaire. Him giving €1m to every county in Ireland, would be equivalent to me giving every county €10. Would that make me 'some man'?"
He doesnt need to do it though. He could choose like you have, not to give every county board anything.

Your argument carries no weight until you send a cheque to every county board for a €10 so run along and getting signing.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2517 - 25/03/2024 11:27:59    2533488

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Replying To baire:  "Nobody is suggesting Limerick were not "around long before JP".
However, up to 2018, All of Limerick's All Irelands, bar 1973, were won between 1897-1940. All of these wins were single All Ireland wins, no back to back All Irelands.
What's happening in Limerick (at inter-county level) in recent years is exceptional - exceptional team and backroom team, exceptional resources and exceptional funding."
the difference between limerick now and the last 50 yrs is paul kinnerk a team of a life time and top class players some who will go down as all time greats........money wont put the ball over the bar. most intercounty teams have a plentiful supply of funds.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1112 - 25/03/2024 11:44:50    2533495

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Without deflecting onto poor referees or discipline can we address the much bigger issues that seemed to surface on Saturday for Limerick:

1. Their full back line looked a shambles, completely exposed an unable to cope in one v one situations. Kilkenny had at least 5 clear goalscoring opportunities. Will Mike Casey solve that??

2. The puck outs malfunctioned big time - hard to see why from TV why but im sure there will be plenty of managers looking at it.

3. Starting forwards scored 1-5 from play. 1-1 in the first two minutes and never looked dangerous afterwards.

4. Workrate. Completely outworked by Kilkenny.

IMO they are the real reasons Limerick lost and need to be urgently addressed. A lot of counties just got a lot of hope."
Maybe I'm naive but I think you're reading way too much into Saturdays game. If we played like that against Clare on the 21st April then we're in big trouble.

The league is the league.
We hammered Clare last year and they beat us in the Championship.. Much better than us on the day.
Will our puckouts be as poor again? Unlikely.
put Dan Morrisey and Casey in the full back line and it's a completely different proposition.
Will our work rate be as bad again.. Don't think so. Maybe this team is in decline but I'd reserve judgement just for now.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1070 - 25/03/2024 11:53:41    2533503

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "the difference between limerick now and the last 50 yrs is paul kinnerk a team of a life time and top class players some who will go down as all time greats........money wont put the ball over the bar. most intercounty teams have a plentiful supply of funds."
Kinnerk is also fortunate to have huge, gym conditioned and aggressive men who can break tackles, hurleys and whatnot to implement his gaelic football tactics.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 25/03/2024 12:13:19    2533516

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