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The Limerick 5 In A Row, Will They Do It?

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Replying To Fitzy01:  "So what's the issue, are you disagreeing with what he is doing and appealing to him to stop? You are happy to do your bit and fair play to you but you have a problem with him doing his bit? The only people making a song and dance about are people like you.
You can be sure he doesn't want anyone to know what he is doing and would prefer to keep it quiet. There's plenty of multi millionaires out there who do nothing for their communities. For the life of me I can't understand the begrudery or negativity towards something so positive."
Spot on, fitzy. It's just petty jealousy. He's a great character, supporting hurling since his days with south liberties.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 25/03/2024 21:20:52    2533753

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Replying To Viking66:  "They've a worse record in 70 minutes against us than they have against Limerick in their last 7 championship games played against both of us. Since 2016 Kilkenny have only won 1 championship meeting out of the last 7 between us in normal time, and that by only a point in normal time. Think they've won 4 or 5 of their last 7 championship meetings with Limerick."
Did you ever win all Ireland in the same year u beat KK in championship.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 131 - 25/03/2024 23:30:24    2533775

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Did you ever win all Ireland in the same year u beat KK in championship."
They did, 1996.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1156 - 26/03/2024 11:11:16    2533826

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "They did, 1996."
In 4 of last 5 wins

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 131 - 26/03/2024 11:50:46    2533840

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Replying To fainleog:  "Limerick have met Killkenny 16 times in championship hurling, Kilkenny winning 9 and Limerick winning 7.
Limerick have won 3 of the last 4 championship games against Kilkenny."
Limerick have also won 6 out of ten All Ireland Final Meetings, between the counties, and are the only county to beat KK in two All Ireland Finals in a row. They have beaten them in Three different Centuries,in Six different decades and two different Millenia. Not too for an 'auld' Minnow.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 26/03/2024 12:10:22    2533848

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Replying To baire:  "Kinnerk is also fortunate to have huge, gym conditioned and aggressive men who can break tackles, hurleys and whatnot to implement his gaelic football tactics."
Why do you always have to come across so begrudging. If those are Gaelic Football tactics Kilkenny have been using them for years. I have seen corner and indeed Full Backs, whose object on the pitch was to haul, drag and dig opposing Forwards with the ultimate aim of getting a class forward put off. I have seen young Players specifically targeted and bullied by bigger men and if one ever brings this up, one is told to shut up and suck it up as is 'all part of the game'. These are tactics are hardly ever used by this Limerick Team who as Michael Duignan said, way in '18 'are all remarkably comfortable on the Ball'. Have you ever wondered how Tony Kelly always looks twice a better Player when he plays against this Limerick Team. It is because they do not display the inclination to hound and blagguard him all day unlike other teams do. Are you really telling me there no Gym Conditioned Players in other Counties.
Your observation about our teams in the past that had not been that great is also challengeable.. We have had three teams who have won more than one All Ireland- '1918- 21, '33-'40 and the current one. No other team, outside the big three, can boast three teams that won more than one All Ireland. The 1917 to 1924 side played in 8 Munster Finals in a row, a record unequalled, The 1933-1938 team won Four Munsters in a row, which no Tipp Team ever did, and also won Five National Leagues a record also unequalled and the Current Team have won Four in a row. beating Cork and KK twice and backed it up with five Munster Titles in a row, a record never surpassed.
Not bad for a county with about one fifth the Hurling Popuation of Cork and and also a substantially smaller one that of Tipp, Galway or Kilkenny.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 26/03/2024 12:47:18    2533856

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Replying To Viking66:  "All of what he said there is correct."
On paper yes. But to say Limerick have been winning All-Irelands for a long time isn't true.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1400 - 26/03/2024 13:02:21    2533860

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Replying To oneoff:  "On paper yes. But to say Limerick have been winning All-Irelands for a long time isn't true."
How is it not true. Outside of the Big Three, there is no county comes near. They won their first one as far back as 1897 and remember Hurling did not start somewhere around 1974.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 26/03/2024 13:15:39    2533862

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Replying To oneoff:  "On paper yes. But to say Limerick have been winning All-Irelands for a long time isn't true."
Limerick have 12 AIs won. That's as many AIs as the next 2 counties, ourselves and Dublin, put together. Or in other terms, of the top 9 currently, they have won more AIs than Galway, Clare and Waterford put together. They have had some good teams all through the history of the GAA.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 26/03/2024 13:42:27    2533870

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Replying To baire:  "No back to back AIs until 2021, isn't that the case, Viking? There's a stark difference between reaching AIs and winning them, as we know too well. As for telling the whole story, good luck with that!"
You only need 1 good team to go back to back. Doesnt mean you have been a strong county over many years. Wexford were the 1st county to do it outside the big 3. And the 1st county to do it in both codes. Only Galway and Cork have done it since. Wexford were the 1st county to win a 4 in a row in either code too, but it would be stretching it to say that meant we were a great football county now though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 26/03/2024 13:51:13    2533871

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Can we get back to what the post is actually about.I'm hoping limerick get out of Munster first.a lot being said about defeat to kk on Saturday.I'm hoping that was the blemish before Munster championship.I've said before that I fancy Waterford to pull off one huge win.I'm expecting results to go every way in round robins with all teams getting wins against each other.we in limerick look like with all available to have strongest panel with Clare very close.the other 3 for me look like they won't know starting teams until the day.one worry I do have is the officiating,it is leaving a lot to be desired over last few weekends for all counties..hope it can only get better.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2247 - 26/03/2024 13:52:03    2533872

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Did you ever win all Ireland in the same year u beat KK in championship."
In 1890 Wexford, represented by Castlebridge, beat Kilkenny, represented by Bennetsbridge, in the LSHQF, a game which strangely wasn't played in Leinster at all, it was played in Waterford! Beat the reigning AI champions in the LSHSF, Dublin, and beat Cork in the final. The Cork lads played barefoot, and were described as "21 streaks of white lightning" in the 1st half.
In 1955 we beat you in the LSHF after a replay, before beating Limerick and Galway.
In 1956 we beat you in the LSHF again, in front of a then record crowd of over 52000, before beating Cork in the final.
In 1960 Kilkenny were going for 4 Leinsters in a row, but Wexford managed to beat them by 2 points, before recording one of the biggest shock wins in an AI final ever, beating the great Tipp team by 10 points in the AIF.
In 1968 Wexford beat Kilkenny in the Leinster Final before advancing to their 4th AI final of the decade, where they beat the great Tipp team again.
So every year Wexford won an AI they had to beat a good or great Kilkenny team 1st.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 26/03/2024 14:12:44    2533882

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Did you ever win all Ireland in the same year u beat KK in championship."
In 1890 Wexford, represented by Castlebridge, beat Kilkenny, represented by Bennetsbridge, in the LSHQF, a game which strangely wasn't played in Leinster at all, it was played in Waterford! Beat the reigning AI champions in the LSHSF, Dublin, and beat Cork in the final. The Cork lads played barefoot, and were described as "21 streaks of white lightning" in the 1st half.
In 1955 we beat you in the LSHF after a replay, before beating Limerick and Galway.
In 1956 we beat you in the LSHF again, in front of a then record crowd of over 52000, before beating Cork in the final.
In 1960 Kilkenny were going for 4 Leinsters in a row, but Wexford managed to beat them by 2 points, before recording one of the biggest shock wins in an AI final ever, beating the great Tipp team by 10 points in the AIF.
In 1968 Wexford beat Kilkenny in the Leinster Final before advancing to their 4th AI final of the decade, where they beat the great Tipp team again.
So every year Wexford won an AI they had to beat a good or great Kilkenny team 1st.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 26/03/2024 14:12:53    2533883

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Replying To baire:  "Kinnerk is also fortunate to have huge, gym conditioned and aggressive men who can break tackles, hurleys and whatnot to implement his gaelic football tactics."
The Galway team is far from small so I wouldn't put that down as your excuse for a lack of success. And Pat Mac has plenty of money too..

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 372 - 26/03/2024 14:14:58    2533884

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Replying To Viking66:  "In 1890 Wexford, represented by Castlebridge, beat Kilkenny, represented by Bennetsbridge, in the LSHQF, a game which strangely wasn't played in Leinster at all, it was played in Waterford! Beat the reigning AI champions in the LSHSF, Dublin, and beat Cork in the final. The Cork lads played barefoot, and were described as "21 streaks of white lightning" in the 1st half.
In 1955 we beat you in the LSHF after a replay, before beating Limerick and Galway.
In 1956 we beat you in the LSHF again, in front of a then record crowd of over 52000, before beating Cork in the final.
In 1960 Kilkenny were going for 4 Leinsters in a row, but Wexford managed to beat them by 2 points, before recording one of the biggest shock wins in an AI final ever, beating the great Tipp team by 10 points in the AIF.
In 1968 Wexford beat Kilkenny in the Leinster Final before advancing to their 4th AI final of the decade, where they beat the great Tipp team again.
So every year Wexford won an AI they had to beat a good or great Kilkenny team 1st."
I was replying to post. That wex beat KK in 4 of last 5 championship games. Did you win all Ireland in any of last 4 wins

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 131 - 26/03/2024 15:56:53    2533919

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Why do you always have to come across so begrudging. If those are Gaelic Football tactics Kilkenny have been using them for years. I have seen corner and indeed Full Backs, whose object on the pitch was to haul, drag and dig opposing Forwards with the ultimate aim of getting a class forward put off. I have seen young Players specifically targeted and bullied by bigger men and if one ever brings this up, one is told to shut up and suck it up as is 'all part of the game'. These are tactics are hardly ever used by this Limerick Team who as Michael Duignan said, way in '18 'are all remarkably comfortable on the Ball'. Have you ever wondered how Tony Kelly always looks twice a better Player when he plays against this Limerick Team. It is because they do not display the inclination to hound and blagguard him all day unlike other teams do. Are you really telling me there no Gym Conditioned Players in other Counties.
Your observation about our teams in the past that had not been that great is also challengeable.. We have had three teams who have won more than one All Ireland- '1918- 21, '33-'40 and the current one. No other team, outside the big three, can boast three teams that won more than one All Ireland. The 1917 to 1924 side played in 8 Munster Finals in a row, a record unequalled, The 1933-1938 team won Four Munsters in a row, which no Tipp Team ever did, and also won Five National Leagues a record also unequalled and the Current Team have won Four in a row. beating Cork and KK twice and backed it up with five Munster Titles in a row, a record never surpassed.
Not bad for a county with about one fifth the Hurling Popuation of Cork and and also a substantially smaller one that of Tipp, Galway or Kilkenny."
It's tedious all this obsession with past wins, dates and figures, the bragging and the smugness. I'm not referring to Limerick alone here, the same happens to every county that wins a load of AIs. Don't take it personally. I'm not begrudging any team their win. I have always gone for the underdog. Leaving aside my own county I'd love to see Waterford win an All Ireland, or any of these counties: Clare, Wexford, Antrim, Offaly, Laois or Westmeath. It's unlikely any of them, apart from Clare, will win an AI in the near future but we live in hope. I used to support Dublin hurling but it annoys me to see some of their best hurlers going for football glory instead.
Sin sin anois. An Phalaistín Abú!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/03/2024 15:58:04    2533920

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Replying To baire:  "It's tedious all this obsession with past wins, dates and figures, the bragging and the smugness. I'm not referring to Limerick alone here, the same happens to every county that wins a load of AIs. Don't take it personally. I'm not begrudging any team their win. I have always gone for the underdog. Leaving aside my own county I'd love to see Waterford win an All Ireland, or any of these counties: Clare, Wexford, Antrim, Offaly, Laois or Westmeath. It's unlikely any of them, apart from Clare, will win an AI in the near future but we live in hope. I used to support Dublin hurling but it annoys me to see some of their best hurlers going for football glory instead.
Sin sin anois. An Phalaistín Abú!"
Nothing tedious about deconstructing a statement with the facts.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 26/03/2024 16:12:16    2533925

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Replying To Shocs07:  "The Galway team is far from small so I wouldn't put that down as your excuse for a lack of success. And Pat Mac has plenty of money too.."
Just like J. P Mac in Limerick. He does a lot of good with his fortune, helping good causes.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1762 - 26/03/2024 16:18:26    2533927

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Replying To baire:  "It's tedious all this obsession with past wins, dates and figures, the bragging and the smugness. I'm not referring to Limerick alone here, the same happens to every county that wins a load of AIs. Don't take it personally. I'm not begrudging any team their win. I have always gone for the underdog. Leaving aside my own county I'd love to see Waterford win an All Ireland, or any of these counties: Clare, Wexford, Antrim, Offaly, Laois or Westmeath. It's unlikely any of them, apart from Clare, will win an AI in the near future but we live in hope. I used to support Dublin hurling but it annoys me to see some of their best hurlers going for football glory instead.
Sin sin anois. An Phalaistín Abú!"
Saturday's game gave a little hope to the chasing pack, that the 5 in a row may be beyond Limerick's reach. The championship will tell all.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1762 - 26/03/2024 16:47:39    2533938

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Nothing tedious about deconstructing a statement with the facts."
Facts and figures can be presented and interpreted in many ways. Here is one: Limerick won one All Ireland in 78 years, (1940-2018) Kiely's team has won 5 of the last 6. You can deconstruct that anyway you like, but I guarantee you, any objective observer's interpretation of it would be quite different to yours. I'll say no more.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/03/2024 17:36:35    2533949

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