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The Limerick 5 In A Row, Will They Do It?

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Replying To oneoff:  "Does your username relate to when you started watching hurling?"
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Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 22/03/2024 14:40:27    2532661

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Replying To Onion_Sack:  "
Replying To baire:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "Aye, fierce hard for Dublin to get out of Leinster whilst the Munster hurling championship is a doddle!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1740 - 20/03/2024 08:39:07


In fairness, not saying that Dublin had it hard at all getting out of Leinster, but it would take a miracle for Limerick to fail to be in the top 3 in Munster."
I was only responding to this ridiculous statement, "It'll be a lot easier for Limerick doing the 5 in a row than it was for Dublin!" Clare, Cork, Tipp and Waterford are all top class Division 1 teams. Take Dublin out of the Leinster football championship and you're left with 11 counties in Div 2 or lower. I'd agree with you that LK will get out of Munster. Hard not to see them winning the 5 in a row at this stage."
Ah lad! Calm down! Its an anonymous forum so should be a bit of crack and not taken too seriously.

However, in this instance Ill make an exception, maybe I should have explained a bit more (I'm currently off work with covid so plenty of time).

I made the comment "It'll be a lot easier for Limerick doing the 5 in a row than it was for Dublin!"

Yes, Dublin were never going to be beaten in Leinster in the same way Limerick were/are never not going to get out of Munster and qualify for the "AI Series", so that pretty much nullifies their provincial competitions. Although it would be fair to say Dublin provincial would have been the much easier Provincial of the 2.

Lets look at the so called "All Ireland Series" then

Limerick

2020. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 3 and 11 points respectively.
2021. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 11 and 16 points respectively.
2022. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 3 and 2 points respectively.
2023. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 9 and 9 points respectively.

Dublin

2015. Quarter-Final (won by 8), Semi-Final (Draw, won Replay by 7), and Final (Won by 3)
2016. Quarter-Final (won by 5), Semi-Final (won by 2), and Final (Draw, won Replay by 1)
2017. Quarter-Final (won by 10), Semi-Final (won by 12), and Final (won by 1)
2018. Super 8's (3 x games all won), Semi-Final (won by 9), Final won by 6)
2019. Super 8's (3 x games all won), Semi-Final (won by 10), Final (Draw, won Replay by 6)

My point being that over the course of Dublin's 5 in a row there were quite a few close calls where it was quite possible it could have put the kibosh on it, whereas Limericks 4 in a row has looked a lot more comfortable. Its also hard to see that changing this year.

In ''All-Ireland Series'' Dublin had to play 22 games (5 in a row) as opposed to 8 games so far (4 in a row) for Limerick

Dublin had 3 x draws/replays in knockout games as opposed to none for Limerick. Also Dublin only won 2 of the finals by 1 point. Limericks have all been very comfortable apart from 2 point victory 2022.

They're the facts with my opinion so I stand by my original comment.

If that all sounds ''ridiculous'' to you then fair enough! I can do no more ;-D"]For someone who doesn't take this forum seriously you went to a lot of trouble with those dates and figures! I also stand by my assertion re the Munster hurling championship and the Leinster football championship. But I agree, no point in taking these matters seriously, the serious matters, life and death, are happening in Palestine, the middle East, Ukraine and in other parts of the world.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 22/03/2024 16:33:25    2532680

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Replying To Limerick2018:  "It's not smug it's the truth unfortunately for Galway. Enjoy the Kerry match this weekend. We will enjoy the Hurling. Have a nice weekend"
The fact that Galway are not playing the league semi-final doesn't bother me in the slightest, smug face.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 22/03/2024 16:41:51    2532682

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Feels like Limerick have had/ will have a much easier path to 5 in s row than great Kilkenny team that got within 1 game of 5 in a row.
Kilkenny beat very good Cork team in year 1 final who themselves were going for 3 in a row, than in year 4 final beat a very good Tipperary team before falling to same team in year 5 final.
Limerick have not had a top opponent like that Kilkenny team had, it's been easier for them.
Also in their 4 in a row they were unbeaten.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1365 - 22/03/2024 18:16:47    2532696

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Agree completetely re inept mangement, who still seem to surface every once in a while as self professed masterminds. We are blessed with current management team. I'll stop there lest I descend into anothe rant."
correct and if any match was made for a free scoring un marked man it was mike galligan i was in the old canal end that day and i couldnt believe galligan was never brought on

hillman (Limerick) - Posts: 26 - 22/03/2024 19:55:00    2532703

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Replying To baire:  "The fact that Galway are not playing the league semi-final doesn't bother me in the slightest, smug face."
Yes it bothers you so much that Limerick knocked ye out. And once again it's true darling

Limerick2018 (Limerick) - Posts: 77 - 22/03/2024 20:01:44    2532707

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Replying To hillman:  "correct and if any match was made for a free scoring un marked man it was mike galligan i was in the old canal end that day and i couldnt believe galligan was never brought on"
Tom Ruan said afterwards he wanted to send on Mike Galligan but Jimmy Hartigan stopped it.

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 156 - 22/03/2024 20:44:57    2532716

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Replying To baire:  "
Replying To Onion_Sack:  "[quote=baire:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "Aye, fierce hard for Dublin to get out of Leinster whilst the Munster hurling championship is a doddle!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1740 - 20/03/2024 08:39:07


In fairness, not saying that Dublin had it hard at all getting out of Leinster, but it would take a miracle for Limerick to fail to be in the top 3 in Munster."
I was only responding to this ridiculous statement, "It'll be a lot easier for Limerick doing the 5 in a row than it was for Dublin!" Clare, Cork, Tipp and Waterford are all top class Division 1 teams. Take Dublin out of the Leinster football championship and you're left with 11 counties in Div 2 or lower. I'd agree with you that LK will get out of Munster. Hard not to see them winning the 5 in a row at this stage."
Ah lad! Calm down! Its an anonymous forum so should be a bit of crack and not taken too seriously.

However, in this instance Ill make an exception, maybe I should have explained a bit more (I'm currently off work with covid so plenty of time).

I made the comment "It'll be a lot easier for Limerick doing the 5 in a row than it was for Dublin!"

Yes, Dublin were never going to be beaten in Leinster in the same way Limerick were/are never not going to get out of Munster and qualify for the "AI Series", so that pretty much nullifies their provincial competitions. Although it would be fair to say Dublin provincial would have been the much easier Provincial of the 2.

Lets look at the so called "All Ireland Series" then

Limerick

2020. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 3 and 11 points respectively.
2021. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 11 and 16 points respectively.
2022. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 3 and 2 points respectively.
2023. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 9 and 9 points respectively.

Dublin

2015. Quarter-Final (won by 8), Semi-Final (Draw, won Replay by 7), and Final (Won by 3)
2016. Quarter-Final (won by 5), Semi-Final (won by 2), and Final (Draw, won Replay by 1)
2017. Quarter-Final (won by 10), Semi-Final (won by 12), and Final (won by 1)
2018. Super 8's (3 x games all won), Semi-Final (won by 9), Final won by 6)
2019. Super 8's (3 x games all won), Semi-Final (won by 10), Final (Draw, won Replay by 6)

My point being that over the course of Dublin's 5 in a row there were quite a few close calls where it was quite possible it could have put the kibosh on it, whereas Limericks 4 in a row has looked a lot more comfortable. Its also hard to see that changing this year.

In ''All-Ireland Series'' Dublin had to play 22 games (5 in a row) as opposed to 8 games so far (4 in a row) for Limerick

Dublin had 3 x draws/replays in knockout games as opposed to none for Limerick. Also Dublin only won 2 of the finals by 1 point. Limericks have all been very comfortable apart from 2 point victory 2022.

They're the facts with my opinion so I stand by my original comment.

If that all sounds ''ridiculous'' to you then fair enough! I can do no more ;-D"]For someone who doesn't take this forum seriously you went to a lot of trouble with those dates and figures! I also stand by my assertion re the Munster hurling championship and the Leinster football championship. But I agree, no point in taking these matters seriously, the serious matters, life and death, are happening in Palestine, the middle East, Ukraine and in other parts of the world."]Out of Dublins 6 all Ireland footballs in a row - they were pushed to the absolute hilt to win some of them - 2016 was a 1 point win after a replay against mayo again in 2017 was a 1 point win against mayo and in 2019 was after a replay against kerry.

In approx 270 all Ireland finals in hurling and football they are the only team to achieve 5 in a row and 6. The great Kerry team were a minute away from doing 5 in '82 until the Darby goal. Kilkenny couldn't do it. Will Limerick? Law of averages, backed by history say they are due a knockout defeat and it's bound to happen IMO

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 645 - 22/03/2024 21:14:13    2532718

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Replying To Limerick2018:  "Yes it bothers you so much that Limerick knocked ye out. And once again it's true darling"
It was Tipp that beat us, not Limerick. I don't see any Tipp supporters coming here to brag about it tbf.
I'll tell you this now Mr LK 2018, in all honesty, if I my county was going for a 5 in row I wouldn't be on any forum bragging about it or teasing opponents about a league match in March. Good luck to you now.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 22/03/2024 21:49:01    2532723

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Feels like Limerick have had/ will have a much easier path to 5 in s row than great Kilkenny team that got within 1 game of 5 in a row.
Kilkenny beat very good Cork team in year 1 final who themselves were going for 3 in a row, than in year 4 final beat a very good Tipperary team before falling to same team in year 5 final.
Limerick have not had a top opponent like that Kilkenny team had, it's been easier for them.
Also in their 4 in a row they were unbeaten."
This argument beggars belief

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1141 - 22/03/2024 22:00:34    2532727

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Feels like Limerick have had/ will have a much easier path to 5 in s row than great Kilkenny team that got within 1 game of 5 in a row.
Kilkenny beat very good Cork team in year 1 final who themselves were going for 3 in a row, than in year 4 final beat a very good Tipperary team before falling to same team in year 5 final.
Limerick have not had a top opponent like that Kilkenny team had, it's been easier for them.
Also in their 4 in a row they were unbeaten."
Would not agree. This Limerick team blittzed Cork and Kilkenny in two Finals and Tipp in two Munster Finals . Witstood the loss of major players in three of the four Finals they played in and won their four Finals by an average of almost ten points a game, missed winning a Six in a row single by a single point defeat in one game. has already won every one of 13 Finals they played in and became the first team to beat the Cats in back to back Finals. Hard to argue with that record.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 22/03/2024 22:39:10    2532737

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Replying To baire:  "It was Tipp that beat us, not Limerick. I don't see any Tipp supporters coming here to brag about it tbf.
I'll tell you this now Mr LK 2018, in all honesty, if I my county was going for a 5 in row I wouldn't be on any forum bragging about it or teasing opponents about a league match in March. Good luck to you now."
There are some you just need to pass over baire and not take the bait. Tis fair hard I know.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1141 - 22/03/2024 22:54:40    2532742

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Feels like Limerick have had/ will have a much easier path to 5 in s row than great Kilkenny team that got within 1 game of 5 in a row.
Kilkenny beat very good Cork team in year 1 final who themselves were going for 3 in a row, than in year 4 final beat a very good Tipperary team before falling to same team in year 5 final.
Limerick have not had a top opponent like that Kilkenny team had, it's been easier for them.
Also in their 4 in a row they were unbeaten."
Don't agree with that at all. What Limerick have faced to get out of Munster is a lot harder than what Kilkenny had in Leinter during that run. Kilkenny could almost prepare themselves for an All-Ireland semi-final from the start of the year. I'm not going to run down that great team's achievement, as what they did when they got out of Leinster is what made them great.
But in no way would I say that Limerick's run has been easier. They've had to play more games against top teams with the new format also.
Arguments can be made for both, but usually in cases like that numbers are the separator.
It's all opinion of course. Two legendary groups.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2073 - 22/03/2024 23:58:09    2532749

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Replying To baire:  "
Replying To Onion_Sack:  "[quote=baire:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "Aye, fierce hard for Dublin to get out of Leinster whilst the Munster hurling championship is a doddle!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1740 - 20/03/2024 08:39:07


In fairness, not saying that Dublin had it hard at all getting out of Leinster, but it would take a miracle for Limerick to fail to be in the top 3 in Munster."
I was only responding to this ridiculous statement, "It'll be a lot easier for Limerick doing the 5 in a row than it was for Dublin!" Clare, Cork, Tipp and Waterford are all top class Division 1 teams. Take Dublin out of the Leinster football championship and you're left with 11 counties in Div 2 or lower. I'd agree with you that LK will get out of Munster. Hard not to see them winning the 5 in a row at this stage."
Ah lad! Calm down! Its an anonymous forum so should be a bit of crack and not taken too seriously.

However, in this instance Ill make an exception, maybe I should have explained a bit more (I'm currently off work with covid so plenty of time).

I made the comment "It'll be a lot easier for Limerick doing the 5 in a row than it was for Dublin!"

Yes, Dublin were never going to be beaten in Leinster in the same way Limerick were/are never not going to get out of Munster and qualify for the "AI Series", so that pretty much nullifies their provincial competitions. Although it would be fair to say Dublin provincial would have been the much easier Provincial of the 2.

Lets look at the so called "All Ireland Series" then

Limerick

2020. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 3 and 11 points respectively.
2021. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 11 and 16 points respectively.
2022. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 3 and 2 points respectively.
2023. Semi-Final and Final. Won by 9 and 9 points respectively.

Dublin

2015. Quarter-Final (won by 8), Semi-Final (Draw, won Replay by 7), and Final (Won by 3)
2016. Quarter-Final (won by 5), Semi-Final (won by 2), and Final (Draw, won Replay by 1)
2017. Quarter-Final (won by 10), Semi-Final (won by 12), and Final (won by 1)
2018. Super 8's (3 x games all won), Semi-Final (won by 9), Final won by 6)
2019. Super 8's (3 x games all won), Semi-Final (won by 10), Final (Draw, won Replay by 6)

My point being that over the course of Dublin's 5 in a row there were quite a few close calls where it was quite possible it could have put the kibosh on it, whereas Limericks 4 in a row has looked a lot more comfortable. Its also hard to see that changing this year.

In ''All-Ireland Series'' Dublin had to play 22 games (5 in a row) as opposed to 8 games so far (4 in a row) for Limerick

Dublin had 3 x draws/replays in knockout games as opposed to none for Limerick. Also Dublin only won 2 of the finals by 1 point. Limericks have all been very comfortable apart from 2 point victory 2022.

They're the facts with my opinion so I stand by my original comment.

If that all sounds ''ridiculous'' to you then fair enough! I can do no more ;-D"]For someone who doesn't take this forum seriously you went to a lot of trouble with those dates and figures! I also stand by my assertion re the Munster hurling championship and the Leinster football championship. But I agree, no point in taking these matters seriously, the serious matters, life and death, are happening in Palestine, the middle East, Ukraine and in other parts of the world."]Are you actually comparing football scores to hurling scores?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2774 - 23/03/2024 07:39:00    2532755

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Replying To daveboy:  "There are some you just need to pass over baire and not take the bait. Tis fair hard I know."
Don't worry about me daveboy. I'm well used to baits, done a fair bit of fishing in my time, I'd spot one a mile away, including yours!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 23/03/2024 07:58:35    2532757

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Replying To daveboy:  "This argument beggars belief"
Who is taking the bait now! lol

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 23/03/2024 08:16:36    2532762

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Replying To Limerick2018:  "Haha. Well are you the funny one? You really upset me there. I'm traumatised"
So is it?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1400 - 23/03/2024 08:25:22    2532764

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Don't agree with that at all. What Limerick have faced to get out of Munster is a lot harder than what Kilkenny had in Leinter during that run. Kilkenny could almost prepare themselves for an All-Ireland semi-final from the start of the year. I'm not going to run down that great team's achievement, as what they did when they got out of Leinster is what made them great.
But in no way would I say that Limerick's run has been easier. They've had to play more games against top teams with the new format also.
Arguments can be made for both, but usually in cases like that numbers are the separator.
It's all opinion of course. Two legendary groups."
Other determining factors to be very successful in the modern era are resources, financial backing and backroom teams. Undoubtedly KK and Limerick have great hurlers, Dublin and Kerry great footballers. There are other factors that help them to be more successful than others imo. In KK and Kerry's case there are no other competing sports, in Limerick's case it's JP and in Dublin it's capital gains!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 23/03/2024 09:01:34    2532769

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Feels like Limerick have had/ will have a much easier path to 5 in s row than great Kilkenny team that got within 1 game of 5 in a row.
Kilkenny beat very good Cork team in year 1 final who themselves were going for 3 in a row, than in year 4 final beat a very good Tipperary team before falling to same team in year 5 final.
Limerick have not had a top opponent like that Kilkenny team had, it's been easier for them.
Also in their 4 in a row they were unbeaten."
Score pre throw-in:
Kilkenny 0-8 Limerick 0-0

Same as last few years ..
Limerick will start every game 8 points down plus or minus , except for All- Ireland final 2023 when we won by 9 points due to 1st decent ref.. John Keenan. ( the benchmark) James Owens (today) goes missing a lot.

Looks like Limerick are still viewed as intruders in the parlor of the big three and a few more now. .. Long may it continue
PS Kilkenny's strong-arm tactics have just about become acceptable and justifiable via the mantra of recently departed manager: "It's a man's game" or "let the game flow". .. all disguised prompts for the ref to "keep the whistle in your while we play over the edge" approach. This was usually fed to media in the week before the game through recently retired hero's and icons of the black and amber, not by "the man" himself.

Kilkenny also need. to learn to behave themselves.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1361 - 23/03/2024 13:01:49    2532806

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Score pre throw-in:
Kilkenny 0-8 Limerick 0-0

Same as last few years ..
Limerick will start every game 8 points down plus or minus , except for All- Ireland final 2023 when we won by 9 points due to 1st decent ref.. John Keenan. ( the benchmark) James Owens (today) goes missing a lot.

Looks like Limerick are still viewed as intruders in the parlor of the big three and a few more now. .. Long may it continue
PS Kilkenny's strong-arm tactics have just about become acceptable and justifiable via the mantra of recently departed manager: "It's a man's game" or "let the game flow". .. all disguised prompts for the ref to "keep the whistle in your while we play over the edge" approach. This was usually fed to media in the week before the game through recently retired hero's and icons of the black and amber, not by "the man" himself.

Kilkenny also need. to learn to behave themselves."
Well said pat. They introduced the strong arm stuff but don't like it now that it doesn't suit them. Eddie keher has been their go to man lately for the pre match advice/warning to the officials on how to ref it. Also DAIRE in fairness to kerry they compete at the hurling and their club championship is very competitive whereas the cats make no effort whatsoever.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 23/03/2024 15:02:53    2532842

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