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from the start of the N.L to the A.I.C Final. Now the N.L took up 10 of those 27 matchdays Including 2 rest matchdays . That is 38% of the football calendar. Does that not seem overly obsessive for a competition that is the secondary competition?"]I get you Edu but the league positions gives seedings for the championship. I think it should be the only competition to determine the seedings. They could run some rounds of the league, play provincial championships with no bearing on seeding or All Ireland qualification, then the remaining rounds of the leagues. With seedings to play for and no provincial final finish type of backdoor for All Ireland it might spice up the league a bit. It would also give counties a fairly even break before championship, not like the staggered times because of the different lengths of provincial championships.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7704 - 21/12/2024 15:57:49 2584239 Link 0 |
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The league is a tried and tested format. It provides a fair ranking 1 to 32. The key is to utilise that ranking for balanced provincial draws and/or balanced draws for qualifiers.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 21/12/2024 16:13:59 2584240 Link 0 |
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Yeah it's too much and it reduces the flexibility to have a better All Ireland."]The NFL accounts for over 50% of senior inter Co competitive games.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2005 - 21/12/2024 17:14:53 2584243 Link 0 |
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Indeed, the league is tried & tested and ranks teams 1-32. I use that ranking to determine my three-tier AIC (e.g. 1-8 to Sam AFL-style playoffs; 9-20 to Shield KO; & 21-28 to Plate KO (could be Tailteann Cup). I use ranking (9-12) for Shield PQF byes/Tier 1 status retention. I was silent on Prov seeding, but it could be used there too. I suppose in the AILC, Prov seeding is not as critical because all play 12 (or 10) 'own tier' teams (3 from each of 4 seeding pots), regardless of how the Prov subset breaks down. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2944 - 21/12/2024 19:53:24 2584251 Link 0 |
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You say 1-8 AFL style playoffs. The GAA are essentially going with a 16 team AFL style playoff in your language, albeit 8 provincial finalists and 8 qualifiers. You say three tier AIC. The GAA have the All Ireland and Tailteann. The GAA did speak with counties about introducing a third tier. Hasn't gained traction so far but probably will in time. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 21/12/2024 21:21:01 2584257 Link 0 |
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@GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7702 - 21/12/2024 15:57:49 omahant (USA) - Posts: 2944 - 22/12/2024 01:00:19 2584262 Link 0 |
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Yes, it's a 16-team AFL from Rd 2A/2B (only half the teams with a back door) - so Rd 1 is an add on (all with a back door). In my AILC, 'Prov F 8' would have to earn sufficient pts to advance (Prov ties contribute, but don't guarantee). The latter could be a good compromise between retaining tradition (Prov SFCs), making them more valuable (awarding match pts, 'own tier', rather than going to the current group phase with none) and having an overall better structure (equitable for all). When three tiers - should the Tailteann Cup be bumped to Tier 3 (like the initial Christy Ring) or Tier 2? Or my naming convention - Sam, Shield & Plate? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2944 - 23/12/2024 14:16:34 2584344 Link 0 |
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My AILC gives you a lot of what you're looking for. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2944 - 23/12/2024 14:46:15 2584345 Link 0 |
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I'm not sure how you plan on running the Provincials. Do only 16 teams enter them, if not what if a team from outside the top tier win their province. Do they have a pathway to the All Ireland. It would be hard to not have that pathway but it gets very complicated very quickly if they are able to. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4344 - 23/12/2024 16:58:14 2584357 Link 0 |
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Prov SFCs - No change, lopsided as ever - I didn't consider a better seeding for them either, but you could. 33 teams - 29 KO games, reducing the 33 to 4 Champs. I have Prov Prelim & QFs (1st 2 weeks Feb); all 8 SFs (end Apr); and 4 Finals (last 2 weeks May). Each 'SF4' is split across 4 groups to ensure each Final pairing and all 4 Prov rd ties are not drawn to same group (that's why I want QF results early, so AILC draw restrictions will be known). Prov Champs 'outside top 8' - Ineligible for AI Sam title, including 'Tier 1 bottom 8' at end of league and 'All Tier 2' at beginning of the league. I toyed with providing that Champ guarantee "pathway" to the AIC Series (Sam), but as you said, it gets "complicated very quickly" (I call it "messy", as teams would no longer need to strive for league pts/position). Consolation - both League Tiers are eligible for the 'AI Shield' (2nd of 3 AIC grades) at the beginning of the league. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2944 - 23/12/2024 21:52:52 2584380 Link 0 |